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Re: OT: Investing - Stocks/Mutual Funds/Bonds/Crypto 

Post#701 » by midranger » Fri Feb 2, 2018 3:20 pm

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MickeyDavis wrote:I'm tempted to buy more and average down but I have to stick with my plan.


Down to .84

I saw that Ripple had their first dispersement of 1 billion coins from escrow last month and put 900 million of them back into escrow. Presumably, they were nearly giving these things away to banks with an agreement to not sell them, but to use them on their network. Still, 90% of them went unclaimed. There are now 54.9 billion more of these things that no bank wants to use.

Why a bank would ever buy them from an individual for real money is beyond me.
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Re: OT: Investing - Stocks/Mutual Funds/Bonds/Crypto 

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Post#703 » by MickeyDavis » Fri Feb 2, 2018 6:27 pm

A lot of my investments are nosediving this week. Just need to get back in the ring

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Post#704 » by bizarro » Fri Feb 2, 2018 6:49 pm

MickeyDavis wrote:A lot of my investments are nosediving this week. Just need to get back in the ring

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Soooooo,

The two next resistance points are the $7500 - what is commonly referred to as the 61% Fibonacci Retrace - and anywhere in the $3,000 (agressive) and $5,000 mark if it realizes a full reach of a bear pennant. Now, will it dive again? That isn't known, per se, but if I was a gambling man I would say: 'Absolutely, yes'. There's just so much negative bearish pressure in the human realm right now. I've said a few times, now, that we are in this thick until the 12th of February. Do you remember this? I wasn't throwing proverbial s*** on a wall. I was offering up my opinions based on mathematical research and, bringing all my tools to the desk, astrological. Let me just share something for you from a group I'm on sent to me on January 4th:

Venus made it's conjunction with the Bitcoin Sun yesterday, Jan. 4th, this is the last supportive aspect for a while and we are now leaving what we call "The Choppy" period, where the price has mostly swung between 13k and 16k. The next favorable aspect is Venus conjunct the BTC Jupiter on Jan. 17th, but only for one day. Aside from that there are no major aspects until the highly unfavorable Saturn conjunction the BTC Mars Jan 24th-Feb 12th. Saturn represents contraction, structure, authority, regulation,
and obstacles and we continue to believe this may correlate with a short but sharp decline in the price. This will be the first of a series of three. So when will the price bottom and the low come in? The model says the low will come in sometime between Feb 1st and Feb 10th, with the weekend of Feb 2-4 as my closest guess. Where the price will fall is anybody's guess but under 10k seems possible.


(bold added for emphasis by me) And, seriously: Are you f'ng kidding me with this accuracy?!?

Now, couple this above information with the following analysis:

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/bitcoin-price-analysis-possible-bear-pennant-suggests-end-market-consolidation/

Summary:
1. Bitcoin appears to be at the end of its multiweek consolidation period.
2. The market is consolidating in a bearish consolidation pattern called a bear pennant.
3. If the market reaches its full measured move for the bear pennant, we could see prices as low as $4,000 region.
4. If we break to new lows, we will logically find support around the 61% Fibonacci retracement values.


Where am i going with this? If you look at yesterday's into today's chart-action, you'll notice somewhere around 6 am PST (my time) the USD chart touched that $7500 mark like skin on a hot skillet - the 61% Retrace support/resistance depending upon how you look at things. That's what I call volatile resistance. It certainly didn't receive it like a warm blanket. It shot the chart north of 9k briefly. These next 3-5 days, IMHO, are very very interesting. How many times will it approach that 61% threshold. And, when (again, imho) will it dive past to the full tip of a bear pennant. I feel and see too much momentum to keep going. I am personally looking to buy back in w/ 3 limit order settings. $3,500/$4000/$5000. We'll see how she goes.

EDIT: I also want to add this is patently not investment advice. Just my opinions and why I am doing what I am doing. It may work. it may not. But, it sure as hell is interesting.
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Re: OT: Investing - Stocks/Mutual Funds/Bonds/Crypto 

Post#705 » by HaroldinGMinor » Fri Feb 2, 2018 6:58 pm

What did Nostradamus have to say about cryptocurrency?
At a party given by a billionaire, Kurt Vonnegut informs Joseph Heller that their host had made more money in a single day than Heller had earned from his novel Catch-22.

Heller responds, “Yes, but I have something he will never have — ENOUGH.”
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Re: OT: Investing - Stocks/Mutual Funds/Bonds/Crypto 

Post#706 » by humanrefutation » Fri Feb 2, 2018 7:01 pm

MickeyDavis wrote:A lot of my investments are nosediving this week. Just need to get back in the ring

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Yeah, I took the opportunity to average down on a couple of mine that I still feel bullish about in the long run.
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Post#707 » by bizarro » Fri Feb 2, 2018 7:03 pm

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MickeyDavis wrote:A lot of my investments are nosediving this week. Just need to get back in the ring

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Yeah, I took the opportunity to average down on a couple of mine that I still feel bullish about in the long run.


I always find the trickiest part of all of it is agreeing on your buy and sell limits and sticking to them. Setting your orders in clarity and sobriety. Letting it play out. Accepting what becomes of it all. I've been doing this a long time and I am still prey to emotional trading from time-to-time. Continues to get me!
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Re: OT: Investing - Stocks/Mutual Funds/Bonds/Crypto 

Post#708 » by humanrefutation » Fri Feb 2, 2018 7:06 pm

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MickeyDavis wrote:A lot of my investments are nosediving this week. Just need to get back in the ring

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Yeah, I took the opportunity to average down on a couple of mine that I still feel bullish about in the long run.


I always find the trickiest part of all of it is agreeing on your buy and sell limits and sticking to them. Setting your orders in clarity and sobriety. Letting it play out. Accepting what becomes of it all. I've been doing this a long time and I am still prey to emotional trading from time-to-time. Continues to get me!


I'm very new to this and still dipping my toes in, so to speak, so I'm taking this all as a bit of a learning experience until I feel more secure in my decisionmaking. By that, I mean - be patient, don't let day-to-day swings drive your investing, and don't put money in that you can't afford to lose. Robinhood makes it almost too easy to put more money in, IMO.
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Post#709 » by bizarro » Fri Feb 2, 2018 7:06 pm

HaroldinGMinor wrote:What did Nostradamus have to say about cryptocurrency?


Honestly, Nostradamus can mean anything to anyone. His 'prophecies' are extremely vague and coded in riddle. But I see your sarcasm and raise you a pint of Ether :D
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Re: OT: Investing - Stocks/Mutual Funds/Bonds/Crypto 

Post#710 » by M-C-G » Fri Feb 2, 2018 7:40 pm

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MickeyDavis wrote:A lot of my investments are nosediving this week. Just need to get back in the ring

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Sorry, may have lost me, but when you are referring to astrology, you are saying that use it to bake in to your models?

If so, I think I have many more questions, but not sure if they relate to investments or practical application of astrology. I'm quite skeptical, but very interested in trying to keep an open mind for how you got there.

Or maybe I just totally muddled up and misinterpreted it all.
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Post#711 » by bizarro » Fri Feb 2, 2018 8:00 pm

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bizarro wrote:
MickeyDavis wrote:A lot of my investments are nosediving this week. Just need to get back in the ring

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Sorry, may have lost me, but when you are referring to astrology, you are saying that use it to bake in to your models?

If so, I think I have many more questions, but not sure if they relate to investments or practical application of astrology. I'm quite skeptical, but very interested in trying to keep an open mind for how you got there.

Or maybe I just totally muddled up and misinterpreted it all.


You didn't muddle it, no. When I first got into crypto my friend referenced me to '...Oh man, you have to start reading these things from my acupuncturist/astrologer friend in Seattle.' I was skeptical at first. Then I started using it in a group with friends because we know several professional and extremely talented astrologers (like any field, this can mean any number of things and I won't belabor you here) and what he was saying made sense. I've personally used astrological charts for near 15 years as a farmer to read seasonal flows, plant life cycles, and various cosmological influences in that realm. SO, it's an easier transition for me as I've gotten through the skeptical Western phase (which, honestly, is traditionally rooted in a cultural bias that goes wayyyyyy back. Not the place here). This current 'model' is definitely Beta but over the past year plus it has proven to be insanely accurate with one of the individuals offering forth an insightful body of analysis on the regular. When this current dip really gathered momentum I went back and read the writings and was like :o
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Post#712 » by midranger » Fri Feb 2, 2018 9:10 pm

Stock market taking a beating today. Whole month of January gains gone in the past few days.
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Post#713 » by HaroldinGMinor » Mon Feb 5, 2018 5:58 pm

Bloodbath out there today in the crypto markets. Corrections are healthy and normal.
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Post#714 » by M-C-G » Mon Feb 5, 2018 6:30 pm

General investing question, especially given the drop from last week. When you are holding long and we get a big dip like last week, are there any pros/cons to selling and buying back at a lower dollar amount? Or in the long run, it just kind of equals out?
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Post#715 » by MickeyDavis » Mon Feb 5, 2018 6:35 pm

M-C-G wrote:General investing question, especially given the drop from last week. When you are holding long and we get a big dip like last week, are there any pros/cons to selling and buying back at a lower dollar amount? Or in the long run, it just kind of equals out?

If you buy back the same stock (or similar in the case of a mutual fund) within 30 days you can't deduct the loss if you have one. That's a wash sale.
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Post#716 » by Tfence92 » Mon Feb 5, 2018 6:38 pm

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M-C-G wrote:General investing question, especially given the drop from last week. When you are holding long and we get a big dip like last week, are there any pros/cons to selling and buying back at a lower dollar amount? Or in the long run, it just kind of equals out?

If you buy back the same stock (or similar in the case of a mutual fund) within 30 days you can't deduct the loss if you have one. That's a wash sale.


But you could/would end up with more total shares, no?
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Post#717 » by sidney lanier » Mon Feb 5, 2018 6:45 pm

M-C-G wrote:General investing question, especially given the drop from last week. When you are holding long and we get a big dip like last week, are there any pros/cons to selling and buying back at a lower dollar amount? Or in the long run, it just kind of equals out?


My philosophy is sit still and ride it out. (Of course, many here will notice that this was also my Jason Kidd philosophy and impute this advice to me just being somebody who has a lot of inertia, like Anse Bundren in Faulkner's As I Lay Dying.)

Unless you have a better place to put your money, getting in-getting out and trying to time the dips is a fool's game. You run the risk of getting middled like a sports book adjusting a line and losing two ways. It's painful and counterintuitive to hold a nosediving investment, but hold it anyway. If you need to do something, buy more when everyone seems to be selling and be prepared to watch your new acquisitions plummet, too. It's good for the soul.

Not sure I'd apply this rule to Bitcoin, though. There's just no history to tell us whether or not this is a dead cat that won't bounce.
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Post#718 » by pxp920 » Mon Feb 5, 2018 6:46 pm

As far as I know, one thing to consider is in order to do that you will have to essentially liquidate the original position before purchasing in again and that would be a taxable situation (15-25%)
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Post#719 » by M-C-G » Mon Feb 5, 2018 6:57 pm

Yeah, my thought was just keep holding, but wondered if there was a short term tax benefit to "taking your lumps" now. I did actually take the opportunity to buy some more, but I've put myself in a position where my personal investments are now almost exclusively long plays except for one or two short plays that need to show a lot more growth before I get out of them.
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Post#720 » by milwaukee bunks » Mon Feb 5, 2018 7:09 pm

what hasn't got crushed the last few days? stocks, crypto, and metals are all down quite a bit.

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