General Trade Rumors

[dozencousins]

IMO, the core problem is that we have too much youth, and Papagiannis is a casualty of that.

IF we assume there is a logic behind looking to move him (which ) it could be that based on what they've seen in Reno and practice (and the little bit of PT he has received), Georgios won't improve his value by playing more.

Hey stranger.

And this is what I don't get, because how much lower could it go? I mean unless some team was off the charts into him before and his end of the bench role as onlooker hasn't deterred them. I think if given enough minutes he's shown an ability to produce to some extent. The defense might be bad, but it's the worst in the league already so it's kind of like one of those things where you're damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Coach has been really unhappy with Pappa's play . He also believes he makes to make bone headed mistakes .

[kingjawn100]

Just posing a question...would you guys be angry if we didn't make 1 trade by the deadline and Hill and Randolph are back on the team next year?

[dozencousins]

Just posing a question...would you guys be angry if we didn't make 1 trade by the deadline and Hill and Randolph are back on the team next year?

I would rather keep them than give them away .

I would be more angry if we did no trades and then buy out our vets getting nothing in return . That would piss me off !

[kalenclayton]

Just posing a question...would you guys be angry if we didn't make 1 trade by the deadline and Hill and Randolph are back on the team next year?

I would rather keep them than give them away .

I would be more angry if we did no trades and then buy out our vets getting nothing in return . That would piss me off !

Carter is the only one that I’m perfectly ok with buying out. He signed with us through good will (and $$$). If he wants to compete in the playoffs, we need to make good on that. Buy him out and sign JaKarr Sampson for the rest of the season.

[kingjawn100]

Just posing a question...would you guys be angry if we didn't make 1 trade by the deadline and Hill and Randolph are back on the team next year?

I would rather keep them than give them away .

I would be more angry if we did no trades and then buy out our vets getting nothing in return . That would piss me off !

true...and if we're getting similar players on similar length contracts it would seems like we're making a trade just to make a trade.I'm not sure how suddenly getting new teammates helps the development of our younger guys. And i mean... if we're trying to win games is Emmanuel Moody going to do anything more than George Hill would be able to give us?

[kalenclayton]

Just posing a question...would you guys be angry if we didn't make 1 trade by the deadline and Hill and Randolph are back on the team next year?

I am almost certain that this is going to happen. It just makes too much sense. If we do keep them past the deadline, they all become a lot more valuable in he offseason.

[dozencousins]

Just posing a question...would you guys be angry if we didn't make 1 trade by the deadline and Hill and Randolph are back on the team next year?

I would rather keep them than give them away .

I would be more angry if we did no trades and then buy out our vets getting nothing in return . That would piss me off !

true...and if we're getting similar players on similar length contracts it would seems like we're making a trade just to make a trade.I'm not sure how suddenly getting new teammates helps the development of our younger guys. And i mean... if we're trying to win games is Emmanuel Moody going to do anything more than George Hill would be able to give us?

I agree . So that said the only reason to trade the vets is for future picks and cap space . Other than that it is pointless unless you are getting a guy whom you are really seeing as a true upgrade or very solid 6th-7th man & then you may take on a guy with 1-2 more years on a favorable deal then it's okay especially if you project nobody being very realistic in next years free agency .

[becorz]

Just posing a question...would you guys be angry if we didn't make 1 trade by the deadline and Hill and Randolph are back on the team next year?

I am almost certain that this is going to happen. It just makes too much sense. If we do keep them past the deadline, they all become a lot more valuable in he offseason.

I agree that in a vacuum the veterans becomes more valuable at the beginning of the offseason, but I am worried about our roster flexibility going into next year. If we are getting OK offers (say Hill for Shumpert/Frye/2nd Rounder or maybe Kosta for an expiring and a 2nd), I think it might be wise to take them. When the offseason begins, we are still going to want to make some changes, but we are going to have one roster spot (I don't see Kosta or Temple opting out). At that point, teams are going to see we have a full roster and are going to low ball us. Sure, they'll take Richardson for the 58th pick in the draft. Sure, we can take PapaG for a fake second rounder. Or we will have to cut either Kosta or Temple or Hill and get absolutely nothing back.

My point is if you get a marginal offer, it might be a good idea to take it.

[dozencousins]

Just posing a question...would you guys be angry if we didn't make 1 trade by the deadline and Hill and Randolph are back on the team next year?

I am almost certain that this is going to happen. It just makes too much sense. If we do keep them past the deadline, they all become a lot more valuable in he offseason.

I agree that in a vacuum the veterans becomes more valuable at the beginning of the offseason, but I am worried about our roster flexibility going into next year. If we are getting OK offers (say Hill for Shumpert/Frye/2nd Rounder or maybe Kosta for an expiring and a 2nd), I think it might be wise to take them. When the offseason begins, we are still going to want to make some changes, but we are going to have one roster spot (I don't see Kosta or Temple opting out). At that point, teams are going to see we have a full roster and are going to low ball us. Sure, they'll take Richardson for the 58th pick in the draft. Sure, we can take PapaG for a fake second rounder. Or we will have to cut either Kosta or Temple or Hill and get absolutely nothing back.

My point is if you get a marginal offer, it might be a good idea to take it.

100% sure both Koufas & Temple opt out .

Koufas could get starting at 10 million per on at least a 3 year deal & Temple could get 12 million per at least on at least a 3 year deal .

Both opt out I guarantee it .

[kalenclayton]

Just posing a question...would you guys be angry if we didn't make 1 trade by the deadline and Hill and Randolph are back on the team next year?

I am almost certain that this is going to happen. It just makes too much sense. If we do keep them past the deadline, they all become a lot more valuable in he offseason.

I agree that in a vacuum the veterans becomes more valuable at the beginning of the offseason, but I am worried about our roster flexibility going into next year. If we are getting OK offers (say Hill for Shumpert/Frye/2nd Rounder or maybe Kosta for an expiring and a 2nd), I think it might be wise to take them. When the offseason begins, we are still going to want to make some changes, but we are going to have one roster spot (I don't see Kosta or Temple opting out). At that point, teams are going to see we have a full roster and are going to low ball us. Sure, they'll take Richardson for the 58th pick in the draft. Sure, we can take PapaG for a fake second rounder. Or we will have to cut either Kosta or Temple or Hill and get absolutely nothing back.

My point is if you get a marginal offer, it might be a good idea to take it.

I agree that Kosta and Temple are likely to opt in. That means we will be short on roster spots. Someone is gonna have to go as we have two picks in the upcoming draft. VC is expiring, which means we need to make a move between now and the draft. I agree that if someone comes calling for Kosta, it would be wise to really think about the offer, regardless of how little it returns.

[kalenclayton]

I am almost certain that this is going to happen. It just makes too much sense. If we do keep them past the deadline, they all become a lot more valuable in he offseason.

I agree that in a vacuum the veterans becomes more valuable at the beginning of the offseason, but I am worried about our roster flexibility going into next year. If we are getting OK offers (say Hill for Shumpert/Frye/2nd Rounder or maybe Kosta for an expiring and a 2nd), I think it might be wise to take them. When the offseason begins, we are still going to want to make some changes, but we are going to have one roster spot (I don't see Kosta or Temple opting out). At that point, teams are going to see we have a full roster and are going to low ball us. Sure, they'll take Richardson for the 58th pick in the draft. Sure, we can take PapaG for a fake second rounder. Or we will have to cut either Kosta or Temple or Hill and get absolutely nothing back.

My point is if you get a marginal offer, it might be a good idea to take it.

100% sure both Koufas & Temple opt out .

Koufas could get starting at 10 million per on at least a 3 year deal & Temple could get 12 million per at least on at least a 3 year deal .

Both opt out I guarantee it .

If they were FAs the last two off seasons, I would agree. This offseason is different. Teams are now feeling the repercussions of their spending sprees and are now looking to be a bit frugal. We just saw Lou Williams take $8million/year for 3 years today. That’s mid-level money. I hope you are right when it comes to them, but I just don’t see it. I absolutely see them both opting in.

[dozencousins]

Shumpert & Wade both out tonight in Cavs game . Not to surpirsed at Shumpert but I am a bit surprised on Wade .

[dozencousins]

I agree that in a vacuum the veterans becomes more valuable at the beginning of the offseason, but I am worried about our roster flexibility going into next year. If we are getting OK offers (say Hill for Shumpert/Frye/2nd Rounder or maybe Kosta for an expiring and a 2nd), I think it might be wise to take them. When the offseason begins, we are still going to want to make some changes, but we are going to have one roster spot (I don't see Kosta or Temple opting out). At that point, teams are going to see we have a full roster and are going to low ball us. Sure, they'll take Richardson for the 58th pick in the draft. Sure, we can take PapaG for a fake second rounder. Or we will have to cut either Kosta or Temple or Hill and get absolutely nothing back.

My point is if you get a marginal offer, it might be a good idea to take it.

100% sure both Koufas & Temple opt out .

Koufas could get starting at 10 million per on at least a 3 year deal & Temple could get 12 million per at least on at least a 3 year deal .

Both opt out I guarantee it .

If they were FAs the last two off seasons, I would agree. This offseason is different. Teams are now feeling the repercussions of their spending sprees and are now looking to be a bit frugal. We just saw Lou Williams take $8million/year for 3 years today. That’s mid-level money. I hope you are right when it comes to them, but I just don’t see it. I absolutely see them both opting in.

I get what your saying but I stand firm on what I said . I hope I am wrong because those would be 2 very friendly contracts and both great vets for our younger players in the meantime .

[LightTheBeam]

Ya with that Lou will contract it's clear that teams are in cap crunches and cap space is king. If we can find a way to move any of temple/koufos/Hill/Randolph for expirings I have no need for extra incentive, removing that extra year is all the incentive I need.

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[dozencousins]

Lou Williams contract is not the end all & be all to what Koufas , Temple & other vets get .

lol

[kingjawn100]

It all also begs the question what is the mindset of the Kings going into next year....

Every team every single offseason pitches to their fanbase that 'we are trying to make the playoffs this year' no matter how little talent they have. But do we really need to add more George Hill-type vets to 'mentor' and help us try to win 30 games or do we just play kids and accept the results of another rough season with the hope that a 3rd year Fox + 2018 lotto pick might be enough to entice a top tier free agent to sign with us in 2019?

From Draymond to Dirk...it does mean something that a lot of big name players are taking notice of the potential of Fox.

[SacKingZZZ]

IMO, the core problem is that we have too much youth, and Papagiannis is a casualty of that.

IF we assume there is a logic behind looking to move him (which ) it could be that based on what they've seen in Reno and practice (and the little bit of PT he has received), Georgios won't improve his value by playing more.

Hey stranger.

And this is what I don't get, because how much lower could it go? I mean unless some team was off the charts into him before and his end of the bench role as onlooker hasn't deterred them. I think if given enough minutes he's shown an ability to produce to some extent. The defense might be bad, but it's the worst in the league already so it's kind of like one of those things where you're damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Coach has been really unhappy with Pappa's play . He also believes he makes to make bone headed mistakes .

If coach has any sort of say in the personnel moves of this team I am very concerned about the teams short term future.

[SacKingZZZ]

Just posing a question...would you guys be angry if we didn't make 1 trade by the deadline and Hill and Randolph are back on the team next year?

I am almost certain that this is going to happen. It just makes too much sense. If we do keep them past the deadline, they all become a lot more valuable in he offseason.

I agree that in a vacuum the veterans becomes more valuable at the beginning of the offseason, but I am worried about our roster flexibility going into next year. If we are getting OK offers (say Hill for Shumpert/Frye/2nd Rounder or maybe Kosta for an expiring and a 2nd), I think it might be wise to take them. When the offseason begins, we are still going to want to make some changes, but we are going to have one roster spot (I don't see Kosta or Temple opting out). At that point, teams are going to see we have a full roster and are going to low ball us. Sure, they'll take Richardson for the 58th pick in the draft. Sure, we can take PapaG for a fake second rounder. Or we will have to cut either Kosta or Temple or Hill and get absolutely nothing back.

My point is if you get a marginal offer, it might be a good idea to take it.

I agree. And anything that cuts some of the cap is a bonus. The truth is they aren't moving the needle, they are overpaid, and right now they are an obstruction both from a coaching/development perspective and from a trade perspective with the need to consolidate some of the excess of youth on the squad.

Post deadline if and when they don't move anyone out of the way it will be interesting to see if they go with the youth continue to ride in the middle of the road. This has almost been an entire waste of a season on many fronts IMO. They've had some injuries but there is no question the vets have seen their roles stepped up in the last few games and my fear is that it had nothing to do with showcasing.

[City of Trees]

Jason Jones says an offer is on the table with Houston for a Hill/ R. Anderson swap if the Kings want to accept. Jones source says the Kings will not accept any deal that runs cap past 2019 or doesnt bring back a young player or draft pick.

http://amp.sacbee.com/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/kings-blog/article198990179.html?__twitter_impression=true


I would stay away from that deal. No incentive that fits what the Kings are looking for.

[SacKingZZZ]

They've been trying to dump Anderson on the Kings for two years now. No way that's going to happen now that the Kings don't have Cuz. If this is Vlade playing up a competitor for the Cavs to fear then I think it's slim pickings for the Kings on the trade market. Lol.

I was searching around on some deals and I think the Kings are a bit under the cap still. I'm not sure by how much exactly if true but if it is true that could help on a potential deal.