Winter is Here: Welcome Dario Saric

76ciology · Post #941 » by **76ciology** » Sat Feb 10, 2018 6:46 am

Cheatergriffin wrote:
76ciology wrote:Anyone agrees that Dario's struggle is brought by fatigue in his summer games?

I think was def attributable to his shooting woes earlier in the season, jumper was falling short on majority of his misses from deep.

I think playing with simmons and finding his role with the newly constructed lineup as is was a big factor too.

Short = tired legs?

marcush · Post #942 » by **marcush** » Sat Feb 10, 2018 6:51 am

76ciology wrote:Anyone agrees that Dario's struggle is brought by fatigue in his summer games?

I think his early season struggles are impacted by his National Team schedule. It would suck for Croatian fans but he needs to be more selfish and get his rest over the summer.

76ciology · Post #943 » by **76ciology** » Sat Feb 10, 2018 6:52 am

marcush wrote:
76ciology wrote:Anyone agrees that Dario's struggle is brought by fatigue in his summer games?

I think his early season struggles are impacted by his National Team schedule. It would suck for Croatian fans but he needs to be more selfish and get his rest over the summer.

He also plays 200% every game. Always look like he's willing to sacrifice his body to score a bucket in summer games lol

bobbeaver · Post #944 » by **bobbeaver** » Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:26 pm

76ciology wrote:
marcush wrote:
76ciology wrote:Anyone agrees that Dario's struggle is brought by fatigue in his summer games?

I think his early season struggles are impacted by his National Team schedule. It would suck for Croatian fans but he needs to be more selfish and get his rest over the summer.

He also plays 200% every game. Always look like he's willing to sacrifice his body to score a bucket in summer games lol

No i dont think so. I think NT helped him keep in competitive shape. His general issues were the product of last years issues. He had an unreliable 3, had no real chemistry with Biid on the floor (or rather he didnt have the game to shape around Biid n viceversa) because he was best with the ball in his hand. Add Simmons to that this year didnt help.
His developing game had to change to fit the team. That takes time. Fact he could do it was because of increase of his skills between 1st season in NBA and 2nd. But also the rare ability to train him self through games to develop during the season. Atleast to such degrees.
Remember last year alot of his shots were short. They were rarely long. I think it had to do with his shooting mechanics and body positioning. I mean look at his shooting now. Its so much more fluid and balanced even off screans and faster. Although his legs do look a bit stronger than last year. But i might be imagining that.

pepe1991 · Post #945 » by **pepe1991** » Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:48 pm

76ciology wrote:
marcush wrote:
76ciology wrote:Anyone agrees that Dario's struggle is brought by fatigue in his summer games?

I think his early season struggles are impacted by his National Team schedule. It would suck for Croatian fans but he needs to be more selfish and get his rest over the summer.

He also plays 200% every game. Always look like he's willing to sacrifice his body to score a bucket in summer games lol

Actually he pretty much admited that he didn't play any basketball for two months, between april ( end of nba) until national team games and that it was mistake for local newspapeprs. He was out of rythm for national team as well, he took it all on himself and said that he didn't prepare himself well enough.

He is 23 he really doesn't need whole summer off to get ready for nba.

pepe1991 · Post #946 » by **pepe1991** » Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:54 pm

76ciology wrote:
marcush wrote:
76ciology wrote:Anyone agrees that Dario's struggle is brought by fatigue in his summer games?

I think his early season struggles are impacted by his National Team schedule. It would suck for Croatian fans but he needs to be more selfish and get his rest over the summer.

He also plays 200% every game. Always look like he's willing to sacrifice his body to score a bucket in summer games lol

Actually he pretty much admited that he didn't play any basketball for two months, between april ( end of nba) until national team games and that it was mistake for local newspapeprs. He was out of rythm for national team as well, he took it all on himself and said that he didn't prepare himself well enough.

He is 23 he really doesn't need whole summer off to get ready for nba.

Negrodamus · Post #947 » by **Negrodamus** » Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:26 pm

I'll admit that I was on the trade Saric bandwagon while his value was high at the end of the last year and early into his success this year, but he has done two things that really makes him incredibly valuable for this team moving forward:

1) Improved outside shooting to an above average to good level.

2) Bought into Simmons as a star and elevates his game with his BBIQ: playing in space, finding Simmons when he has the ball in his hands.

I missed the game last night, but while watching the highlights, you can just see the chemistry those two have together. Ive always said if you're not a star and want to survive on an NBA team, elevate your stars. Saric is doing that at a high level.

Watch on YouTube

Post #948 » by **tk76** » Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:14 pm

The Sixers are fortunate to have quick thinking, high natural BBIQ stars in Ben and JoJo. But other than Dario, all of their other role players tend to make bad mistakes when pushed out of their comfort zone (except Redick, who is likely is gone soon.) Saric is really growing into his tougher Kukoc role as a high level complementary player who fills multiple roles.

Look at all of the roles Saric is filling on this team (at only 23):
1. Shooter, cutter and secondary playmaker with the starters. On paper Saric appeared a poor fit with the starters. but he is so versatile and smart... and he continues to grow as a shooter. Now you have to wonder if they still should switch him to 6th man long term. Especially given Cov has such a low BBIQ when he tries to create. They need Cov's defensive versatility, but you have to hide him offensively by having someone like Saric out there who is making the right decisions when the ball swings.

2. Steps into Embiid's offensive role when he sits. This seems odd, given their athletic profiles, but Saric thrives as a passer/scorer in the post who also steps out and hits above the break 3's. Saric also can give you some minutes as a positional defender at the 5, but obviously offers zero rim protection.

3. Partly steps into Ben's point forward role when playing alongside TJ. You saw more of this the second half of last year, and I think with time Saric will be more aggressive as a creator as he adapts to his physical limitations and picks his spots.

4. Fills in as the team's designated shooter when he has a hot night. Saric is not a pure shooter, and is streaky... but he is also smart and not a chucker. So another part of his game that will just continue to grow. He can really become a killer offensive player once teams fear his jumper and he starts attacking off of close outs. He is just such an elite passer and has PG instincts in terms of knowing how passes can break down an overstretched defense. You see this with the quick decisions he makes, and will be magnified once he feels more comfortable creating off the dribble like he did in his youth.

5. Energy/hustle guy. Guys like Saric and TJ can really turn the momentum of a game as well as help maintain an edge game in and game out. Fortunately, Embiid leads in this regard like a lot of the true greats (AI, Westbrook, KG, Kobe, MJ all had that infectious intensity that Embiid exudes.)

Saric does have room for growth. I think he can learn to draw fouls (which is typically a Euro strength, but maybe he did not play enough soccer growing up?) I also think his positional defense is solid, and could grow into a strength. Physically, he will never be a plus defender at any position... but he has enough size/strength/mobility to be a versatile team defender who can at least switch between multiple positions without killing your defense. And obviously he needs to continue to gain consistency as a shooter. But his shot is looking so much more compact- which leads to consistency because there are less moving parts that can go awry.

kriss73 · Post #949 » by **kriss73** » Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:47 pm

By the eye test, his catch & shoot mechanics are really improved, especially from behind the arc.
I'm a Dario's great fan but i never though he could mesh so well with Ben: they speak the same language on the court.

I'm really impressed.

spikeslovechild · Post #950 » by **spikeslovechild** » Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:03 pm

The thing about Dario thats so impressive is his BBIQ. Even when the shots weren't falling he gets into space or around the rim and takes high quality open looks.

Really the only thing holding him back is his inconsistent shooting and finishing. He is a pleasure to watch.

gdog2004 · Post #951 » by **gdog2004** » Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:07 pm

Dario looks great to me. His shooting is vastly improved, dare I say it looks Bird-esque.
I never want to trade this guy. If he continues shooting well, he is a cornerstone piece along with Simmons and Embiid. Not on their level, but really, really good.

youngcrev · Post #952 » by **youngcrev** » Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:49 pm

He's held his own on switches far better than expected, and obviously he's made some seriously leaps with his shot. I'm very pleased with Dario's progress.

Ericb5 · Post #953 » by **Ericb5** » Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:52 pm

kriss73 wrote:By the eye test, his catch & shoot mechanics are really improved, especially from behind the arc.
I'm a Dario's great fan but i never though he could mesh so well with Ben: they speak the same language on the court.

I'm really impressed.

I think that Dario is easy to play with, but the credit for him and Simmons working so well together can be split between the two of them pretty evenly. Half of it is Dario's ability to shoot the 3, and half of it is Ben's ability to defend positions other than the 4, and especially his ability to defend the back court positions because it allows Covington to guard the 3 next to Dario.

agiaco · Post #954 » by **agiaco** » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:59 pm

Another fantastic game last night from Dario. Hitting threes, hustling. What's not to love?

cksdayoff · Post #955 » by **cksdayoff** » Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:48 pm

his catch and shoots look like miles bridges. am i seeing things

76thBearCub · Post #956 » by **76thBearCub** » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:20 am

I always thought his shot looked pretty pure. My next guess about this guy is his defense will get a lot tougher. We all know he is limited but he will learn more and more what he can get away with physically. He's a strong, willing guy on defense and he will learn how to best apply it eventually.

He will keep getting better and better with experience. We are lucky to have this guy as a 3rd banana. He doesn't seem to have much of an ego. On a lesser team he would probably be pumped up as the next big guy to save the team, a roll that would be way too much. Here he is able to fit in behind Embiid and Simmons and I think he will carve out a fantastic career.

agiaco · Post #957 » by **agiaco** » Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:47 pm

Dario's a glorified Diaw-type. Robery Horry with more versatility. Toni Kukoc. Just a jack-of-all-trades with the smarts to mesh with a lot of guys and the grit it takes to win a close game. Saric is the epitome of a competitor. Can you imagine his hustle and effort in a playoff series?

Dude's gonna be diving over Alaa trying to save a loose ball or running headfirst into Franklin the dog (is he still the mascot? lol) after doing the patented "arm flail" on a no-call lay-up.

pepe1991 · Post #958 » by **pepe1991** » Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:49 pm

Where other guys are hustle players because they don't offer much else Šarić is husle guy that does offer lot of things and plays so damn hard every single game.

Bum Adebayo · Post #959 » by **Bum Adebayo** » Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:10 pm

pepe1991 wrote:Where other guys are hustle players because they don't offer much else Šarić is husle guy that does offer lot of things and plays so damn hard every single game.

Yes yes but he doesn't have an elite skill, so he cannot be good you know?

Post #960 » by **tk76** » Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:49 pm

As much as I'm a confirmed Saric apologist, I don't see his current shooting as sustainable. But that's OK, because I think the game will gradually get easier for him as he continues to learn the NBA and the refs. Eventually he will be able to consistently make this type of impact without being so reliant on his jumper falling. And that's good, because I see him long term as a guy who can shoot well from deep in low volumes, but will continue to be streaky if he has to force a high volume of constested 3's.