Political Roundtable Part XVIII

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Why aren't lone wolf actors considered terrorists?

[JWizmentality]

Its obvious that after being interviewed by Mueller...Steve Bannon basically refuses to testify before the House Intel committee. The reasons are rather obvious!

The Machiavellian plot twists alone here are worth the price of admission. Steve Bannon spends 20 hours blabbering to the FBI, but won't answer a question from the House Intel committee with more than a "no." A panelist on MSNBC yesterday had a perfectly logical reason for this. The House Intel committee is nothing more than an information conduit back to Trump. Right now, Trump thinks Bannon is being a stand up guy, protecting him. But, if Bannon is trying to stick a shiv in the back of Jared Kushner, the last thing he wants is a sniveling little pissant like Devin Nunes scurrying back to the Trumpster and spoiling the surprise.

Yes, the reasons are obvious. He doesn't want to be maneuvered into a perjury trap like Flynn was. (And the Flynn plea agreement, by the way, is going to get overturned because Mueller withheld exculpatory evidence.)

I'm going to go out on a ledge and say Mueller is far smarter than you.

[closg00]

Its obvious that after being interviewed by Mueller...Steve Bannon basically refuses to testify before the House Intel committee. The reasons are rather obvious!

The Machiavellian plot twists alone here are worth the price of admission. Steve Bannon spends 20 hours blabbering to the FBI, but won't answer a question from the House Intel committee with more than a "no." A panelist on MSNBC yesterday had a perfectly logical reason for this. The House Intel committee is nothing more than an information conduit back to Trump. Right now, Trump thinks Bannon is being a stand up guy, protecting him. But, if Bannon is trying to stick a shiv in the back of Jared Kushner, the last thing he wants is a sniveling little pissant like Devin Nunes scurrying back to the Trumpster and spoiling the surprise.

Yes, the reasons are obvious. He doesn't want to be maneuvered into a perjury trap like Flynn was. (And the Flynn plea agreement, by the way, is going to get overturned because Mueller withheld exculpatory evidence.)

If Flynn had answered the questions truthfully about his contacts with the Russians, there would have been no “trap”, he is where he is because he lied to cover-up his contacts with the Russians.

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[nate33]

Its obvious that after being interviewed by Mueller...Steve Bannon basically refuses to testify before the House Intel committee. The reasons are rather obvious!

The Machiavellian plot twists alone here are worth the price of admission. Steve Bannon spends 20 hours blabbering to the FBI, but won't answer a question from the House Intel committee with more than a "no." A panelist on MSNBC yesterday had a perfectly logical reason for this. The House Intel committee is nothing more than an information conduit back to Trump. Right now, Trump thinks Bannon is being a stand up guy, protecting him. But, if Bannon is trying to stick a shiv in the back of Jared Kushner, the last thing he wants is a sniveling little pissant like Devin Nunes scurrying back to the Trumpster and spoiling the surprise.

Yes, the reasons are obvious. He doesn't want to be maneuvered into a perjury trap like Flynn was. (And the Flynn plea agreement, by the way, is going to get overturned because Mueller withheld exculpatory evidence.)

If Flynn had answered the questions truthfully about his contacts with the Russians, there would have been no “trap”, he is where he is because he lied to cover-up his contacts with the Russians.

He did answer truthfully, or at least the interviewers believed and reported that they didn't think he was intentionally lying. McCabe changed the report later on, and Mueller used it (and a threat to prosecute Flynn's son) as leverage to force the plea deal.

[cammac]

Yes, the reasons are obvious. He doesn't want to be maneuvered into a perjury trap like Flynn was. (And the Flynn plea agreement, by the way, is going to get overturned because Mueller withheld exculpatory evidence.)

If Flynn had answered the questions truthfully about his contacts with the Russians, there would have been no “trap”, he is where he is because he lied to cover-up his contacts with the Russians.

He did answer truthfully, or at least the interviewers believed and reported that they didn't think he was intentionally lying. McCabe changed the report later on, and Mueller used it (and a threat to prosecute Flynn's son) as leverage to force the plea deal.

Doesn't not answering truthful start with the Trumpster the head of the snake.

[nate33]

If Flynn had answered the questions truthfully about his contacts with the Russians, there would have been no “trap”, he is where he is because he lied to cover-up his contacts with the Russians.

He did answer truthfully, or at least the interviewers believed and reported that they didn't think he was intentionally lying. McCabe changed the report later on, and Mueller used it (and a threat to prosecute Flynn's son) as leverage to force the plea deal.

Doesn't not answering truthful start with the Trumpster the head of the snake.

For what? For appropriately telling Flynn to answer phone calls from the Russian government angry about sanctions imposed on them one week before Obama leaves the presidency?

[cammac]

He did answer truthfully, or at least the interviewers believed and reported that they didn't think he was intentionally lying. McCabe changed the report later on, and Mueller used it (and a threat to prosecute Flynn's son) as leverage to force the plea deal.

Doesn't not answering truthful start with the Trumpster the head of the snake.

For what? For appropriately telling Flynn to answer phone calls from the Russian government angry about sanctions imposed on them one week before Obama leaves the presidency?

Averaging 4 lies a day since he was sworn in!
The man can't go a day without lying!

[dckingsfan]

One thing the indictment does is establish an underlying crime. This makes the obstruction of justice angle a danger to those involved.

There are a lot of possible follow-up developments, and we really don't have a enough to do more than than speculate.

One interesting possibility would be if responsibility does stop just short of Trump. It could be his children handled the interactions and kept him just enough in the dark. Would Republicans view him as an unacceptable liability? If it is revealed before midterms it could be a huge drag on the Republicans.

The mid-terms and 2020 are going to be a blood bath for the Rs regardless. They haven't shown they can govern. They are going to get clobbered. Add this mess - and the Ds don't have to run on anything - they can just run on not being an R.

[I_Like_Dirt]

The mid-terms and 2020 are going to be a blood bath for the Rs regardless. They haven't shown they can govern. They are going to get clobbered. Add this mess - and the Ds don't have to run on anything - they can just run on not being an R.

That's what they'll run on alright. I really wish they would instead be able to find more common ground with more of the competent folk who are traditional Rs, though, and find a way to incorporate them. The Rs need to be devastated but free reign by the Ds isn't going to be great, it's just going to be better than the Rs which is an incredibly low bar. There needs to bea push to cross the floor, so to speak, from some of the more rational Rs to accept a lot of the social policy of the Ds but bring some coherence to it. Otherwise this will swing back R in the worst way possible inside a decade.

[Pointgod]

One thing the indictment does is establish an underlying crime. This makes the obstruction of justice angle a danger to those involved.

There are a lot of possible follow-up developments, and we really don't have a enough to do more than than speculate.

One interesting possibility would be if responsibility does stop just short of Trump. It could be his children handled the interactions and kept him just enough in the dark. Would Republicans view him as an unacceptable liability? If it is revealed before midterms it could be a huge drag on the Republicans.

The mid-terms and 2020 are going to be a blood bath for the Rs regardless. They haven't shown they can govern. They are going to get clobbered. Add this mess - and the Ds don't have to run on anything - they can just run on not being an R.

I have my doubts considering on the grievances and bitterness that still remains from some on the left.

[closg00]

Yes, the reasons are obvious. He doesn't want to be maneuvered into a perjury trap like Flynn was. (And the Flynn plea agreement, by the way, is going to get overturned because Mueller withheld exculpatory evidence.)

If Flynn had answered the questions truthfully about his contacts with the Russians, there would have been no “trap”, he is where he is because he lied to cover-up his contacts with the Russians.

He did answer truthfully, or at least the interviewers believed and reported that they didn't think he was intentionally lying. McCabe changed the report later on, and Mueller used it (and a threat to prosecute Flynn's son) as leverage to force the plea deal.

All not true. The "trap" was when the FBI asked Flynn about his Russian contacts, he didn't now that he was on a tap so he lied about all of the below, it wasn't some innocent mix-up of details. The same thing happened to Papadapolous, the FBI asked him questions to-which they already had the answers and he lied.

Mueller's team has outlined that in late December 2016:

1.Flynn asked the Russian ambassador, Sergey Kislyak, not to escalate tensions in response to sanctions that the United States had imposed against Russia. Kislyak agreed.
2.At the behest of a very senior official who is almost certainly Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, Flynn contacted officials from foreign governments, including Russia, to see where each stood on a U.N. resolution against Israel for its settlement policy, which the United States had decided to let pass.
3.Flynn asked Kislyak to delay the U.N. vote or to defeat the resolution.

What this means, unavoidably, is that the Trump transition team was carrying on a rogue foreign policy effort, on issues of the highest sensitivity to U.S. interests, with neither State Department oversight nor expertise. Flynn and others sought concessions, made assurances and negotiated deals behind the back of the Obama administration — on matters they could not have fully understood.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-litman-flynn-lie-20171203-story.html

Flynn was not a rogue agent acting on his own, he was acting at the direction of Trump, that's who Flynn was reporting to.
At the appropriate time, Mueller is going to unload what he has on those at the top of the criminal pyramid, just like he has done when prosecuting the mafia. As the saying goes "Wait for it"

[stilldropin20]

If Flynn had answered the questions truthfully about his contacts with the Russians, there would have been no “trap”, he is where he is because he lied to cover-up his contacts with the Russians.

He did answer truthfully, or at least the interviewers believed and reported that they didn't think he was intentionally lying. McCabe changed the report later on, and Mueller used it (and a threat to prosecute Flynn's son) as leverage to force the plea deal.

All not true. The "trap" was when the FBI asked Flynn about his Russian contacts, he didn't now that he was on a tap so he lied about all of the below, it wasn't some innocent mix-up of details. The same thing happened to Papadapolous, the FBI asked him questions to-which they already had the answers and he lied.

Mueller's team has outlined that in late December 2016:

1.Flynn asked the Russian ambassador, Sergey Kislyak, not to escalate tensions in response to sanctions that the United States had imposed against Russia. Kislyak agreed.
2.At the behest of a very senior official who is almost certainly Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, Flynn contacted officials from foreign governments, including Russia, to see where each stood on a U.N. resolution against Israel for its settlement policy, which the United States had decided to let pass.
3.Flynn asked Kislyak to delay the U.N. vote or to defeat the resolution.

What this means, unavoidably, is that the Trump transition team was carrying on a rogue foreign policy effort, on issues of the highest sensitivity to U.S. interests, with neither State Department oversight nor expertise. Flynn and others sought concessions, made assurances and negotiated deals behind the back of the Obama administration — on matters they could not have fully understood.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-litman-flynn-lie-20171203-story.html

Flynn was not a rogue agent acting on his own, he was acting at the direction of Trump, that's who Flynn was reporting to.
At the appropriate time, Mueller is going to unload what he has on those at the top of the criminal pyramid, just like he has done when prosecuting the mafia. As the saying goes "Wait for it"

That is entirely Wrong. Incorrect. Misleading. And frankly just full of political bull spIn.

Donald Trump and his transition team was legally allowed and in fact authorized to begin discussions with foreign entities. Flynn was fully authorized to deliver any message from trump to the Russians and any other foreign country. The only reason Flynn lied about this was because the media was already running with Russia Russia Russia fever for two straight months at this point. And because Trump did not collude with any Russians he couldn’t believe this crazy ass while the left wing all left crazy Martian invading space narrative that he colluded with Russia. So they were trying to throw cold water on it. And McCabe instead got him I’m lying about it. The level of ridiculousness to this kind of charge is off the charts ridiculous. This is one of the most ridiculous charges that has ever been laid on anyone.

Donald Trump already won the election and all of this occurred weeks before he was to be inaugurated as the 45th president. Trump and his team had different views on how to deal with Russia and given that Obama and his team got his ass thoroughly handed to him by putin since the uranium one deal on through 2012 and into the 2016 election when Putin meddled enough to cause such a ruckus post election that there is absolutely nobody on planet earth that should trust Obama‘s ability to deal with putin over trump. Putin consistently kicked Obamas Azz in everything.

Obama should have stepped aside. the Obama administration should’ve stepped aside. A billionaire is coming to the White House. With billions and international holdings. With a team of generals. Career war mongers. And a billionaire at the helm and the GOP in the Congress behind him. Obama and his deep state jackasses should’ve sat the phuck down and got out of the **** way. Those jackasses who **** everything up from 2008 through 2016 thought they knew better. Typical jack azz liberal.




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The Nunes/WH/SD20 propaganda effort, is down for the count

[dckingsfan]

One thing the indictment does is establish an underlying crime. This makes the obstruction of justice angle a danger to those involved.

There are a lot of possible follow-up developments, and we really don't have a enough to do more than than speculate.

One interesting possibility would be if responsibility does stop just short of Trump. It could be his children handled the interactions and kept him just enough in the dark. Would Republicans view him as an unacceptable liability? If it is revealed before midterms it could be a huge drag on the Republicans.

The mid-terms and 2020 are going to be a blood bath for the Rs regardless. They haven't shown they can govern. They are going to get clobbered. Add this mess - and the Ds don't have to run on anything - they can just run on not being an R.

I have my doubts considering on the grievances and bitterness that still remains from some on the left.

Care to elaborate?

[cammac]

While SD20 & Nate fail to illuminate is that Flynn has pleaded guilty to one charge and many more could have been pending. Flynn took the lesser of charges to go states witness it is not just lying to the FBI but much more. It is no different than a MOB HIT MAN taking a lesser plea and confessing multiple murders to get the Boss.

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The Nunes/WH/SD20 propaganda effort, is down for the count

It really is amazing how people can perceive things so differently. These Mueller indictments were not any kind of black eye whatsoever. He even stated that none of them involved any Trump people knowingly working with the Russian in any capacity. How in the hell is that a black eye? What planet is this author from?

And the level of "hacking the election" is such a joke. Basically, Russian trolled Twitter a bit. And they didn't even do it specifically for one candidate. They were for and against Trump, for and against Clinton, for Bernie Sanders and for Jill Stein. Is this really what this is all about? Twitter trolls? We've had 15 months of a Special Prosecutor, umpteen million dollars spent, the government screeching to a standstill, and all he has is a dozen Russian Twitter trolls? This is the grave threat to our republic?

[nate33]

While SD20 & Nate fail to illuminate is that Flynn has pleaded guilty to one charge and many more could have been pending. Flynn took the lesser of charges to go states witness it is not just lying to the FBI but much more. It is no different than a MOB HIT MAN taking a lesser plea and confessing multiple murders to get the Boss.

What other charges could have been pending? Violating the freaking Logan Act?

[cammac]

While SD20 & Nate fail to illuminate is that Flynn has pleaded guilty to one charge and many more could have been pending. Flynn took the lesser of charges to go states witness it is not just lying to the FBI but much more. It is no different than a MOB HIT MAN taking a lesser plea and confessing multiple murders to get the Boss.

What other charges could have been pending? Violating the freaking Logan Act?

None are pending as long as he doesn't lie! You are your arrogant self to delude yourself that what he pleaded guilty to are the only charges Mueller has! I don't know and neither do you!

[nate33]

While SD20 & Nate fail to illuminate is that Flynn has pleaded guilty to one charge and many more could have been pending. Flynn took the lesser of charges to go states witness it is not just lying to the FBI but much more. It is no different than a MOB HIT MAN taking a lesser plea and confessing multiple murders to get the Boss.

What other charges could have been pending? Violating the freaking Logan Act?

None are pending as long as he doesn't lie! You are your arrogant self to delude yourself that what he pleaded guilty to are the only charges Mueller has! I don't know and neither do you!

You are just as arrogant to assume that Mueller has all this other stuff against him. I recall at the time that all the legal experts said that if Flynn is pleading out to just lying in FBI interview, it means they don't have much serious on him because the penalty for lying to an FBI agent is so small that it doesn't provide much leverage.

As I said before, it seems like everything negative about Trump, whether classified or not, gets leaked to the media in an effort to hurt him. You have to believe that, this time, Mueller and all of his investigators and all of his Deep State informants have remained incredibly disciplined and have avoided leaking anti-Trump information.