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Rich Rane wrote:
As a straight man, boy I'd like to tell you tooff.
"had" sounds about right.
What mandated law again?
TheBrooklynKidd wrote:
The ignorance of your pseudoscience is disgusting.
To claim that LGB people have genetic links and that trans people do not is also incredibly ignorant. Yes being trans is a “mental disorder” BUT it has legitimate genetic and biological underlinings. A simple ****ing google search will turn up many biological disorders that can result in Gender Disphoria which is the actual clinical term dip****.
Now I’m not done proving that you are in fact a bigot trying to use pseudoscience to peddle your disgusting views. Along with your ignorance in biology you are also incredibly ignorant when it comes to the treatment of mental disorders. The vast majority of mental disorders do not have a cure. The main goal of treatment is to mitigate the negative aspects of the disorder. For example people with dyslexia are accommodated in academia by giving them extra time on tests, note takers etc. When someone is autistic we accomadate them as well. Gender Dysphoria has no cure and it isn’t something that was created by the left that’s easily the stupidest **** you’ve said in this thread and that’s saying something because every single one of your posts includes something ignorant.
Why do you support accomadations for other people with incurable mental disorders but not Trans people? Oh we know, it’s because you’re a worthless bigot who’s been brainwashed by Fox News. I’ve really been trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here too but you have proven to me that you are truly a disgusting human being that is incapable of accepting that facts contradict your ignorant views.
Don’t bother responding, you should just leave the thread and take your ignorance with you. We don’t want you here.
Roy Tarpley wrote:Ok, I gotta block 13th man. I have no problems with opposing points of view but I can't take anyone who uses the word "cuck" seriously, especially if he doesn't know what it means.
MrDollarBills wrote:This guy just called gay and lesbian people "genetically defective". Now you're trending into nazi ideological territory.
I'm not going to dignify the rest of your vomit with a direct response. I don't want to hear any garbage about you having "gay friends" or whatever lie that will come rolling out of your mouth from here on out. You don't have any gay "friends" if you have dehumanizing views about them like the ones you have expressed here. Either that, or you're one of those scumbags that acts all friendly to people in public but behind closed doors you're an entirely different person. Whatever. But I will end it with this:
13th Man, you are a vile and garbage excuse for a human being. Complete and absolute garbage.
13th Man wrote:TheBrooklynKidd wrote:
The ignorance of your pseudoscience is disgusting.
To claim that LGB people have genetic links and that trans people do not is also incredibly ignorant. Yes being trans is a “mental disorder” BUT it has legitimate genetic and biological underlinings. A simple ****ing google search will turn up many biological disorders that can result in Gender Disphoria which is the actual clinical term dip****.
Now I’m not done proving that you are in fact a bigot trying to use pseudoscience to peddle your disgusting views. Along with your ignorance in biology you are also incredibly ignorant when it comes to the treatment of mental disorders. The vast majority of mental disorders do not have a cure. The main goal of treatment is to mitigate the negative aspects of the disorder. For example people with dyslexia are accommodated in academia by giving them extra time on tests, note takers etc. When someone is autistic we accomadate them as well. Gender Dysphoria has no cure and it isn’t something that was created by the left that’s easily the stupidest **** you’ve said in this thread and that’s saying something because every single one of your posts includes something ignorant.
Why do you support accomadations for other people with incurable mental disorders but not Trans people? Oh we know, it’s because you’re a worthless bigot who’s been brainwashed by Fox News. I’ve really been trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here too but you have proven to me that you are truly a disgusting human being that is incapable of accepting that facts contradict your ignorant views.
Don’t bother responding, you should just leave the thread and take your ignorance with you. We don’t want you here.
Of course you don't want a response because you're not open-minded enough to a counter argument.
First of all, learn how to read. I never said that trans had no genetic or biological underlining. I simply implied that it was a different beast than simply being LBG, its taking this disorder to the next level, causing even more confusion resulting in even higher suicidal rates. If you choose to ignore facts, so be it not my problem.
How do you explain the normalization of the trans movement over the past decade? It was never rampant as it's been today. More individuals with this disorder have switched over than ever before. Why is that?
TheBrooklynKidd wrote:They have higher suicide rates than the general population but most populations with mental disorders do. The real question that non bigots ask is who has a higher suicide rate: those who transition or those who stay in the closet and choose not to? That’s the real question. But you don’t want to know the answer because facts contradict your bigotry.
More people are coming out now because we as a culture are trying to make these people realize that we accept them for who they are and whatever accomadations they want to make to make their lives easier. ***holes like you are contributing to those suicide rates with your nonsensical bigotry.
[/quote]I’m very open minded but I have zero tolerance for your bull**** pseudoscience and intentionally misleading statistics. We all see through it and your ignorance on these issues is truly embarrassing.
TheBrooklynKidd wrote:They have higher suicide rates than the general population but most populations with mental disorders do. The real question that non bigots ask is who has a higher suicide rate: those who transition or those who stay in the closet and choose not to? That’s the real question. But you don’t want to know the answer because facts and nonbiased presentations of statistical comparisons contradict your bigotry.
But the AMA, APA, and other medical experts agree that letting someone transition, which can entail medical treatments like hormone therapy and gender-affirming surgeries, without social stigma is the main treatment for gender dysphoria. In this way, being trans isn't the medical condition; living as trans is in fact the treatment to the medical condition.
And not all trans people deal with severe dysphoria. It's barely or not present for some trans people, while it's mentally excruciating for others.
These facts show that psychological distress and disability aren't inherent to being trans, so being trans doesn't meet the definition of a mental disorder (a psychological state that causes significant distress and disability).
13th Man wrote:TheBrooklynKidd wrote:They have higher suicide rates than the general population but most populations with mental disorders do. The real question that non bigots ask is who has a higher suicide rate: those who transition or those who stay in the closet and choose not to? That’s the real question. But you don’t want to know the answer because facts contradict your bigotry.
Why wouldn't I want to know the answer? Quit making baseless assumptions. I don't claim to have all the answers and appreciate facts so if you can provide them to me then great. So what is the suicide rate difference between trans and potential trans? How do you determine who would be a potential candidate for this? You cannot. I was actually wrong in my previous statement. Gender identity is much more complex than I had initially considered, I thought there was a direct correlation to sexual orientation which is doesn't or could but doesn't necessarily be.More people are coming out now because we as a culture are trying to make these people realize that we accept them for who they are and whatever accomadations they want to make to make their lives easier. ***holes like you are contributing to those suicide rates with your nonsensical bigotry.
I think you just answered my question about how this trans movement all came about. "now because we as a culture are trying to make these people realize that we accept them for who they are"
Imo, you as a culture (The Left) have confused the **** out of these poor souls, as a result creating an entire new victim group whose more inclined to killing themselves.I’m very open minded but I have zero tolerance for your bull**** pseudoscience and intentionally misleading statistics. We all see through it and your ignorance on these issues is truly embarrassing.
TheBrooklynKidd wrote:MrDollarBills wrote:TheBrooklynKidd wrote:
It’s the main reason I think this country is screwed beyond belief. People in this country are so stubborn and they love their misery as long as they can point to someone who is more miserable than them (immigrants, gays, blacks etc.).
Personally I think the country is going to collapse on itself into anarchy. People think that the recession in 2008 was bad, wait until the recession in 2025 (or earlier) where not only will people lose their jobs but will find that they have been replaced by a machine. Wait until every cab, truck and train driver are replaced by machines which will just be the beginning. These scenarios are much closer to becoming a reality than we want to believe. Do you think we’ll be able to put aside our differences long enough to fix a problem that humanity has never faced? I sure as hell don’t.
Sorry for going on a little rant towards the end
I disagree.
While I believe that the workforce is going to undergo a massive overhaul and there will be some painful times ahead and the need for change, retraining, etc, I don't think this country is screwed.
the voting bloc that paved the way for this current administration isn't exactly growing. they are dwindling. the GOP is all but making sure that they won't ever hold a majority again for a decade (or even worse, their party just dies). We are seeing the children that were born after 9-11 pushing back well before some of them are even of voting age.
We can look at history and see that every downturn in this country was a result of the majority voting based off of their xenophobia and racism. what happens when the majority isn't the majority and the dominant voting bloc is a collective of people from all walks of life that truly represent what America is supposed to be?
i think good things will happen. this current moment in US history is leading towards an enlightenment i think. people with views like 13th man will become the outlier. this is why people like him lash out at "the left" and are so angry. deep down, they realize that change is at hand where antiquated views about society at large are about to be thrown in the trash. i believe that there will be universal healthcare in the United States. I believe we will shift towards forward thinking technology when it comes to energy.
of course, we all may end up dying in the next 2 years if a nuclear exchange happens, but i'll ride on the idea that cooler heads prevail.
Sorry for the late response I wanted to make sure I had the time to write a thorough answer.
The main reason I think that this country is screwed regardless of the make up of the voting block is that our so called “democracy” is designed so that people in rural, mostly white states have more political power than the rest of us. People talk about the influence of money in politics and the flaws of the electoral college, but those are all things that could realistically be changed in the coming years if the house and senate flip.
One of the main issues that we cant change is the senate. It was actually designed to give people in rural states (conservative whites) a disproportionate representation in Washington in order to please the poorly populated south during our early days as a country. To put it in perspective, if you took the combined populations of North Dakota, South Dakota, Alaska, Wyoming and Montana it is more or less the same population of Brooklyn + Queens or L.A.+ surrounding counties. Yet those people have 10 senators combined while Brooklyn/Queens and LA each have zero despite having a similar population. The House of Representatives also faces a similar albeit less severe skew towards rural whites. The problem is that this is written into the constitution and would require the vast majority of states to approve of a change. That would mean that states would have to voluntarily give up power which we all know they would never do.
The reason that a changing voting block won’t have an impact in this country compared to other democracies is because minorities are more likely to live in highly populated states and cities therefore diluting their political power. Young minorities aren’t moving to Alaska or Wyoming or the Dakotas and those states along with others will maintain their disproportionate white conservative representation. In the south, minorities suffer from decades of voter suppression, gerrymandering and things that are unspeakable. Because of all of these systematic things it will be incredibly difficult to wrestle control from conservative whites even if we get money out of politics and change the electoral college.
There are a lot more things to talk about such as Republicans oppressing their own voter block in order to keep them ignorant and the grip that Fox News has on the minds of these misfortunate individuals but I think I’ve said enough.
TheBrooklynKidd wrote:
You absolutely can find those people. There are thousand of support groups around this country and others. I don’t know the statistic off the top of my head but comparing them to the general population is incredibly disingenuous. If you tried to write a scientific paper suggesting your conclusions using those flawed statistics no unbiased organization would publish it. The thing that you don’t understand is that you’re lost in your delusional pseudoscience world.
No one has confused any poor souls. These people have Gender Dysphoria, a truly diagnosable condition that has existed long before any ****ing leftists and it’s even been observed in animals other than humans. Again you’re showing your ignorance and bigotry here.
There’s only real science and then opinionated bull****. Guess which one you are.
13th Man wrote:MrDollarBills wrote:13th Man wrote:I'm sorry if feelings are hurt, It's called reality. I posted alarming facts about the abnormally high suicidal rates of the transgender and you turn it into an emotional thing. Addressing them in a certain manner isn't going to decrease their suicide rate. As I mentioned to Rich Rane before, fix the root of the problem, not try to mitigate it's outcome or byproduct. Man, the left are always trying to place blame onto others, how about fix the **** that you guys have caused in the first place by introducing this stupid ass agenda.
No one's feelings are hurt...I'm not the one who gets butthurt when his awful views are challenged and runs away from a discussion. That's you. I'm just pointing out how ignorant you are. The high suicide rate of LGBTQ people is not an indicator of trans people being mentally ill. However:
http://actionallianceforsuicideprevention.blogspot.com/2012/04/national-action-alliance-for-suicide.htmlThe reasons that suicide is a lifelong concern for many LGBT people are complex and dynamic. These risk factors include family rejection, lack of social support, lack of access to culturally competent healthcare providers, and the stress of living with discrimination and prejudice.
Transphobic and hateful attitudes like yours that exist within society however, help add to the distress that these people have to deal with on a daily basis.
The next time you go on a spiel about how you're all above love and what not, I'll just simply repost the nonsense you've been spewing about other human beings to show that in fact, you are not above any of what you claim. You're just a bigot. Nothing more or less.
Lets not lump LGB into the trans movement that has spawned over the last decade. LGB are genetically defective people that end up being attracted to their same gender or both. Yes, I do realize that it sounds extremely cruel but I prefer to be blunt and not sugar coat things that I deem to be factual. Yes, they have faced discrimination and I do sympathize with them; I have had gay friends and respected gay colleagues and I have no problems with them whatsoever. I cannot fault them for being born gay.
What I do have a problem with is the T part which is the trans movement. You guys have normalized them over the past decade; proof by your article of Physicians or whatever where they deem to not be mentally ill. The result of this? 20x the suicidal rate compared to the norm.
So now what is the solution? The onus is on the public to change our speech. which is unprecedented; never before have we been mandated by law to speak a certain way. Yeah it is OUR fault and it is MY mentality that is the problem here.
How about this novel idea? You guys created this monster, how about you take some accountability for it? Own up to it and fix your own **** rather than blaming everybody else for extremely dangerous and critical agenda that you have created?
How many more victim groups are you going to spawn up, mess things up then blame the rest of us for it?
Clyde_Style wrote:
Let me guess, you once had black friends too, but you cannot fault them for the genetic defect of having too much melanin in their skin.
13th Man wrote:Clyde_Style wrote:
Let me guess, you once had black friends too, but you cannot fault them for the genetic defect of having too much melanin in their skin.
How did you get pulled into this? These arguments have nothing to do with race nor are 95% of my other diverse arguments against the left.
13th Man wrote:Clyde_Style wrote:
Let me guess, you once had black friends too, but you cannot fault them for the genetic defect of having too much melanin in their skin.
How did you get pulled into this? These arguments have nothing to do with race nor are 95% of my other diverse arguments against the left.
Clyde_Style wrote:13th Man wrote:Clyde_Style wrote:
Let me guess, you once had black friends too, but you cannot fault them for the genetic defect of having too much melanin in their skin.
How did you get pulled into this? These arguments have nothing to do with race nor are 95% of my other diverse arguments against the left.
It clearly doesn't take much to expose your logical fallacies and, surprise!, you seem incapable of understand criticism by analogy. That lack of comprehension on your part does not surprise me though.
13th Man wrote:So sensitive. You guys cannot handle the truth. What do you think the root cause for gayness is? By choice?
13th Man wrote:Clyde_Style wrote:
Let me guess, you once had black friends too, but you cannot fault them for the genetic defect of having too much melanin in their skin.
How did you get pulled into this? This argument has nothing to do with race nor are 95% of my other diverse arguments against the left.