NFL Watch Thread

LukaDoncic1 · Post #781 » by **LukaDoncic1** » Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:05 pm

I think the only 3 QB's worth taking in the 1st round (top 15):

1.Allen
2.Darnold
3.Rosen

Baker Mayfield is fool's gold...reminds me of Johnny Manziel or Tim Tebow

LukaDoncic1 · Post #782 » by **LukaDoncic1** » Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:08 pm

Allen to the Giants, Rosen to the Jets

EchelonNYK · Post #783 » by **EchelonNYK** » Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:10 pm

LukaDoncic1 wrote:Allen to the Giants, Rosen to the Jets

Allen isn't getting drafted anywhere in the top 10 picks.

LukaDoncic1 · Post #784 » by **LukaDoncic1** » Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:11 pm

EchelonNYK wrote:
LukaDoncic1 wrote:Allen to the Giants, Rosen to the Jets

Allen isn't getting drafted anywhere in the top 10 picks.

In the mock drafts I'm looking at Allen is a top 5 pick

EchelonNYK · Post #785 » by **EchelonNYK** » Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:12 pm

LukaDoncic1 wrote:
EchelonNYK wrote:
LukaDoncic1 wrote:Allen to the Giants, Rosen to the Jets

Allen isn't getting drafted anywhere in the top 10 picks.

In the mock drafts I'm looking at Allen is a top 5 pick

It's a mock for a reason. Compare his numbers to the other QB's and then form your own opinion. Allen is a project.

LukaDoncic1 · Post #786 » by **LukaDoncic1** » Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:13 pm

Allen is a project, I agree with that. He could back-up Eli for 1-2 years

EchelonNYK · Post #787 » by **EchelonNYK** » Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:15 pm

By the numbers and overall production. Baker is the best QB in this draft class and it's not even close. But the media wants to question his size and character.

LukaDoncic1 · Post #788 » by **LukaDoncic1** » Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:19 pm

Aren't most successful QB's heights in the 6'3"-6'5" range? Baker is what 6'1"?

Tom Brady is 6'4"
Peyton Manning is 6'5"
Andrew Luck is 6′ 4″

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Thats why I wouldn't use a 1st round pick on Baker...height and history of QBs. Mayfield would be a good guy to pick in the 2nd round

Another example of this is Paxton Lynch, the guy is 6'7" and a complete bust. He was drafted in the 1st round 2 years ago. Baker may very well be the Paxton Lynch of the 2018 draft

Post #789 » by **j4remi** » Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:24 pm

EchelonNYK wrote:
LukaDoncic1 wrote:Allen to the Giants, Rosen to the Jets

Allen shouldn't be getting drafted anywhere in the top 10 picks.

Fixed; I've seen Mac fall for a QB's physical traits with less production and that's got me nervous.

LukaDoncic1 · Post #790 » by **LukaDoncic1** » Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:38 pm

I think Darnold and Rosen are the only 2 "safe" QB options in the 1st round...neither of them I think will be a complete bust like Paxton Lynch. Both of them have the potential to be at least average like Case Keenum lol

Darnold's ceiling is Wentz or Andrew Luck. Rosen -- I don't know..."mock experts" worry about his injury history

F N 11 · Post #791 » by **F N 11** » Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:49 pm

Even Sam Bradford getting 20 mill. Jets like screw it save money lol

F N 11 · Post #792 » by **F N 11** » Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:49 pm

Spoiler:

There's more that goes into it than stats. How many college players with sweet stats not even in the NBA/NFL. Come on. I suggest you watch the movie Draft Day. Will give you an idea of how an NFL front office is ran. Or even Ballers on HBO.

EchelonNYK · Post #793 » by **EchelonNYK** » Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:51 pm

K P 6 wrote:
Spoiler:
EchelonNYK wrote:By the numbers and overall production. Baker is the best QB in this draft class and it's not even close. But the media wants to question his size and character.

There more that goes into it than stats. How many college player with sweet stats not even in the NBA. Come on.

Baker passes most of the tests on the field as well. Big arm, keeps plays alive and still deliver a pass downfield, protects the ball, not afraid, leader. Some of are the thing I listed cannnot be thought, you either have it or you don't. So what more can he do?

F N 11 · Post #794 » by **F N 11** » Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:57 pm

EchelonNYK wrote:
K P 6 wrote:
Spoiler:
EchelonNYK wrote:By the numbers and overall production. Baker is the best QB in this draft class and it's not even close. But the media wants to question his size and character.

There more that goes into it than stats. How many college player with sweet stats not even in the NBA. Come on.

Baker passes most of the tests on the field as well. Big arm, can run, protects the ball, not afraid, leader. What more can he do?

Theyre going to look at his Antics, His off the field tenancies, Call his friends, and old coaches to see what his personality is like. There's a chit load man. NFL is different when it comes to chit off the field. I didnt know the level until I started watching Ballers and watched Draft day. Im surprised Zeke is still a Cowboy.

EchelonNYK · Post #795 » by **EchelonNYK** » Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:58 pm

K P 6 wrote:
EchelonNYK wrote:
K P 6 wrote:
Spoiler:

There more that goes into it than stats. How many college player with sweet stats not even in the NBA. Come on.

Baker passes most of the tests on the field as well. Big arm, can run, protects the ball, not afraid, leader. What more can he do?

Theyre going to look at his Antics, His off the field tenancies, Call his friends, and old coaches to see what his personality is like. There's a chit load man. NFL is different when it comes to chit off the field. I didnt know the level until I started watching Ballers and watched Draft day. Im surprised Zeke is still a Cowboy.

Well, they're going to find out players like Rosen picked up football at a late age and that Tennis is his first love. He scares me a bit as well. You want football fiends in your organization, especially at that position.

Mecca · Post #796 » by **Mecca** » Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:59 pm

EchelonNYK wrote:
LukaDoncic1 wrote:Allen to the Giants, Rosen to the Jets

Allen isn't getting drafted anywhere in the top 10 picks.

That’s what you think. I bet he goes top 10.

EchelonNYK · Post #797 » by **EchelonNYK** » Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:01 pm

Mecca wrote:
EchelonNYK wrote:
LukaDoncic1 wrote:Allen to the Giants, Rosen to the Jets

Allen isn't getting drafted anywhere in the top 10 picks.

That’s what you think. I bet he goes top 10.

My opinion isn't the bible. But Allen is a second round QB at best.

Mecca · Post #798 » by **Mecca** » Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:01 pm

EchelonNYK wrote:
Mecca wrote:
EchelonNYK wrote:
Allen isn't getting drafted anywhere in the top 10 picks.

That’s what you think. I bet he goes top 10.

My opinion isn't the bible. But Allen is a second round QB at best.

I agree but I know he will go top 10 based off hype

F N 11 · Post #799 » by **F N 11** » Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:05 pm

EchelonNYK wrote:
K P 6 wrote:
EchelonNYK wrote:
Baker passes most of the tests on the field as well. Big arm, can run, protects the ball, not afraid, leader. What more can he do?

Theyre going to look at his Antics, His off the field tenancies, Call his friends, and old coaches to see what his personality is like. There's a chit load man. NFL is different when it comes to chit off the field. I didnt know the level until I started watching Ballers and watched Draft day. Im surprised Zeke is still a Cowboy.

Well, they're going to find out players like Rosen picked up football at a late age and that Tennis is his first love. He scares me a bit as well.

They dont think he's fully focused on football. (Rosen) One of the reasons they have him falling in mocks. Its a serious thing....

Post #800 » by **mpharris36** » Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:06 pm

EchelonNYK wrote:
Mecca wrote:
EchelonNYK wrote:
Allen isn't getting drafted anywhere in the top 10 picks.

That’s what you think. I bet he goes top 10.

My opinion isn't the bible. But Allen is a second round QB at best.

measurables...that really what it comes down to. They see he's an athlete, has the best arm, the biggest hands, and try to project what he can be if he figures it out.

He's obviously make you great or stupid type guy...because if he continues to be inaccurate and can't read a defense he wont make it. But NFL guys for the most part think if you are a learner you can be coachable in those two aspects.

College stats really mean crap to NFL front offices. Some of the best qb's in college history/heisman winners flame out in the pros because they don't have the measurables or the they come out of the gimmicky college offenses. Not saying thats baker but I'm sure that is what teams are debating right now.