Luka Doncic Part III

[KD95]

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[daoneandonly]

One thing I am confident about is that in their 18-19 age, LeBron, Wade, Anthony..., would not only struggle to win against Euroleague and Eurocup competition, they would probably even lose some games against them.

No one is denying that, what you can't deny though is there are no Euro guards in that type of category. heck i wouldn't even use Lebron in such a comparison because he's other worldly, but let's say 2-3 tiers below Lebron, still no Euro guard ever. That's our point, the Euro bigs have done it, and some even have done it well to that top shelf category (Dirk and soon to be Giannis). No guard can say the same, so why should we believe Doncic is now the exception?

[Bob8]

One thing I am confident about is that in their 18-19 age, LeBron, Wade, Anthony..., would not only struggle to win against Euroleague and Eurocup competition, they would probably even lose some games against them.

No one is denying that, what you can't deny though is there are no Euro guards in that type of category. heck i wouldn't even use Lebron in such a comparison because he's other worldly, but let's say 2-3 tiers below Lebron, still no Euro guard ever. That's our point, the Euro bigs have done it, and some even have done it well to that top shelf category (Dirk and soon to be Giannis). No guard can say the same, so why should we believe Doncic is now the exception?

I’m sure Petrovic would have done it, if he didn’t die. And it was really difficult for non Americans back then.

Nobody hasn’t done what he’s doing in Europe at his age either. Rubio was the closest with very poor 6.5/2.8/3.5 and being 1 year older. Nobody except Sabonis was selected in first team of Eurobasket. Nobody was in conversation for MVP award.

What kind of argument to evaluate a player is, that nobody has done it before anyway?

[daoneandonly]

One thing I am confident about is that in their 18-19 age, LeBron, Wade, Anthony..., would not only struggle to win against Euroleague and Eurocup competition, they would probably even lose some games against them.

No one is denying that, what you can't deny though is there are no Euro guards in that type of category. heck i wouldn't even use Lebron in such a comparison because he's other worldly, but let's say 2-3 tiers below Lebron, still no Euro guard ever. That's our point, the Euro bigs have done it, and some even have done it well to that top shelf category (Dirk and soon to be Giannis). No guard can say the same, so why should we believe Doncic is now the exception?

I’m sure Petrovic would have done it, if he didn’t die. And it was really difficult for non Americans back then.

Nobody hasn’t done what he’s doing in Europe at his age either. Rubio was the closest with very poor 6.5/2.8/3.5 and being 1 year older. Nobody except Sabonis was selected in first team of Eurobasket. Nobody was in conversation for MVP award.

What kind of argument to evaluate a player is, that nobody has done it before anyway?

It's a valid argument, you brought up the best example in Rubio. Stats or not, the guy was hyped up to be a top level PG, and he's been all but average in the NBA. This may be the first time he ever makes the playoffs (if they even do)

Dante Exum was a what top 5 pick? he's complete trash, as is Hezonja. You don't spend a high quality picks on these guys, they don't and can't pan out

[Nikson]

One thing I am confident about is that in their 18-19 age, LeBron, Wade, Anthony..., would not only struggle to win against Euroleague and Eurocup competition, they would probably even lose some games against them.

No one is denying that, what you can't deny though is there are no Euro guards in that type of category. heck i wouldn't even use Lebron in such a comparison because he's other worldly, but let's say 2-3 tiers below Lebron, still no Euro guard ever. That's our point, the Euro bigs have done it, and some even have done it well to that top shelf category (Dirk and soon to be Giannis). No guard can say the same, so why should we believe Doncic is now the exception?

So basically you agree these players at 18-19 years of age would be no better or even worse than he is now, in Euroleague?
And at the same time he will not play good because he is from Europe or he is White or he was born in Europe or he is what? Is this some kind of racism or nationalism or continental-ism or what? What is Tony Parker?

And I am not backing up an inch, there are Lebron, Wade, Paul, Bosh, Carmelo Anthony ..superstars type of players...not even 0 tier below that. I am claiming they would loose against Euro team even if they would be years older than 18.

[Nikson]

No one is denying that, what you can't deny though is there are no Euro guards in that type of category. heck i wouldn't even use Lebron in such a comparison because he's other worldly, but let's say 2-3 tiers below Lebron, still no Euro guard ever. That's our point, the Euro bigs have done it, and some even have done it well to that top shelf category (Dirk and soon to be Giannis). No guard can say the same, so why should we believe Doncic is now the exception?

I’m sure Petrovic would have done it, if he didn’t die. And it was really difficult for non Americans back then.

Nobody hasn’t done what he’s doing in Europe at his age either. Rubio was the closest with very poor 6.5/2.8/3.5 and being 1 year older. Nobody except Sabonis was selected in first team of Eurobasket. Nobody was in conversation for MVP award.

What kind of argument to evaluate a player is, that nobody has done it before anyway?

It's a valid argument, you brought up the best example in Rubio. Stats or not, the guy was hyped up to be a top level PG, and he's been all but average in the NBA. This may be the first time he ever makes the playoffs (if they even do)

Dante Exum was a what top 5 pick? he's complete trash, as is Hezonja. You don't spend a high quality picks on these guys, they don't and can't pan out

Rubio was hyped only in American media like NBA.com, ESPN.com etc..
Hezonja was hyped only in American media like NBA.com, ESPN.com etc..

How could Europeans hype them with their poor statistic in Euroleague...do not be silly...

[daoneandonly]

One thing I am confident about is that in their 18-19 age, LeBron, Wade, Anthony..., would not only struggle to win against Euroleague and Eurocup competition, they would probably even lose some games against them.

No one is denying that, what you can't deny though is there are no Euro guards in that type of category. heck i wouldn't even use Lebron in such a comparison because he's other worldly, but let's say 2-3 tiers below Lebron, still no Euro guard ever. That's our point, the Euro bigs have done it, and some even have done it well to that top shelf category (Dirk and soon to be Giannis). No guard can say the same, so why should we believe Doncic is now the exception?

So basically you agree these players at 18-19 years of age would be no better or even worse than he is now, in Euroleague?
And at the same time he will not play good because he is from Europe or he is White or he was born in Europe or he is what? Is this some kind of racism or nationalism or continental-ism or what? What is Tony Parker?

And I am not backing up an inch, there are Lebron, Wade, Paul, Bosh, Carmelo Anthony ..superstars type of players...not even 0 tier below that. I am claiming they would loose against Euro team even if they would be years older than 18.

No one goes undefeated, of course they'd lose, what kind of argument is that? Every one has a bad day and everyone has their top days, so losing to inferior talent is not some impossibility, it will happen here and there. Lebron at 18 would b-slap Euroleague without a doubt, no questions asked. Just like he would've done had he had to go to college, because the NCAA > Euroleague. Look at Duke, 4 players NBA bound, Mich St. 2 players NBA, Kentucky, 2 players, Arizona, maybe 3, ALL of Euroleague this year, what 3 guys? If that, yeah inferior competition.

if there are Lebron, Wade level guard sin Euroleague where are they? Why aren't they in the NBA? Let me guess, they chose to stay home rather than play int he best league in the world? No, they don't have the talent to play in the NBA.

[Nikson]

Double post

[daoneandonly]

I’m sure Petrovic would have done it, if he didn’t die. And it was really difficult for non Americans back then.

Nobody hasn’t done what he’s doing in Europe at his age either. Rubio was the closest with very poor 6.5/2.8/3.5 and being 1 year older. Nobody except Sabonis was selected in first team of Eurobasket. Nobody was in conversation for MVP award.

What kind of argument to evaluate a player is, that nobody has done it before anyway?

It's a valid argument, you brought up the best example in Rubio. Stats or not, the guy was hyped up to be a top level PG, and he's been all but average in the NBA. This may be the first time he ever makes the playoffs (if they even do)

Dante Exum was a what top 5 pick? he's complete trash, as is Hezonja. You don't spend a high quality picks on these guys, they don't and can't pan out

Rubio was hyped only in American media like NBA.com, ESPN.com etc..
Hezonja was hyped only in American media like NBA.com, ESPN.com etc..

How could Europeans hype them with their poor statistic in Euroleague...do not be silly...

And Doncic is hyped in American media as well, and he'll have a similar path. Like I've said at nauseam, he'll be Hedo Ingles, nothing more.

[Nikson]

It's a valid argument, you brought up the best example in Rubio. Stats or not, the guy was hyped up to be a top level PG, and he's been all but average in the NBA. This may be the first time he ever makes the playoffs (if they even do)

Dante Exum was a what top 5 pick? he's complete trash, as is Hezonja. You don't spend a high quality picks on these guys, they don't and can't pan out

Rubio was hyped only in American media like NBA.com, ESPN.com etc..
Hezonja was hyped only in American media like NBA.com, ESPN.com etc..

How could Europeans hype them with their poor statistic in Euroleague...do not be silly...

And Doncic is hyped in American media as well, and he'll have a similar path. Like I've said at nauseam, he'll be Hedo Ingles, nothing more.

As I can remember, LeBron was pretty hyped too.

[daoneandonly]

Rubio was hyped only in American media like NBA.com, ESPN.com etc..
Hezonja was hyped only in American media like NBA.com, ESPN.com etc..

How could Europeans hype them with their poor statistic in Euroleague...do not be silly...

And Doncic is hyped in American media as well, and he'll have a similar path. Like I've said at nauseam, he'll be Hedo Ingles, nothing more.

As I can remember, LeBron was pretty hyped too.

he was, and there have bene plenty of guys who were hyped in HS or College that went both ways, lived up to it, or busted. There has not been 1 Euro guard picked high or talked about like Doncic has that has done anything in the NBA. Again, waiting for these Euro guards that are on lebron's level? Please share

[Nikson]

No one is denying that, what you can't deny though is there are no Euro guards in that type of category. heck i wouldn't even use Lebron in such a comparison because he's other worldly, but let's say 2-3 tiers below Lebron, still no Euro guard ever. That's our point, the Euro bigs have done it, and some even have done it well to that top shelf category (Dirk and soon to be Giannis). No guard can say the same, so why should we believe Doncic is now the exception?

So basically you agree these players at 18-19 years of age would be no better or even worse than he is now, in Euroleague?
And at the same time he will not play good because he is from Europe or he is White or he was born in Europe or he is what? Is this some kind of racism or nationalism or continental-ism or what? What is Tony Parker?

And I am not backing up an inch, there are Lebron, Wade, Paul, Bosh, Carmelo Anthony ..superstars type of players...not even 0 tier below that. I am claiming they would loose against Euro team even if they would be years older than 18.

No one goes undefeated, of course they'd lose, what kind of argument is that? Every one has a bad day and everyone has their top days, so losing to inferior talent is not some impossibility, it will happen here and there. Lebron at 18 would b-slap Euroleague without a doubt, no questions asked. Just like he would've done had he had to go to college, because the NCAA > Euroleague. Look at Duke, 4 players NBA bound, Mich St. 2 players NBA, Kentucky, 2 players, Arizona, maybe 3, ALL of Euroleague this year, what 3 guys? If that, yeah inferior competition.

if there are Lebron, Wade level guard sin Euroleague where are they? Why aren't they in the NBA? Let me guess, they chose to stay home rather than play int he best league in the world? No, they don't have the talent to play in the NBA.

Ok. Let us put some records down.

Lebron at 18 would b-slap Euroleague without a doubt, no questions asked.
Dončić is at average after 20+ games MVP of Euroeague at 18 years of age.

[daoneandonly]

So basically you agree these players at 18-19 years of age would be no better or even worse than he is now, in Euroleague?
And at the same time he will not play good because he is from Europe or he is White or he was born in Europe or he is what? Is this some kind of racism or nationalism or continental-ism or what? What is Tony Parker?

And I am not backing up an inch, there are Lebron, Wade, Paul, Bosh, Carmelo Anthony ..superstars type of players...not even 0 tier below that. I am claiming they would loose against Euro team even if they would be years older than 18.

No one goes undefeated, of course they'd lose, what kind of argument is that? Every one has a bad day and everyone has their top days, so losing to inferior talent is not some impossibility, it will happen here and there. Lebron at 18 would b-slap Euroleague without a doubt, no questions asked. Just like he would've done had he had to go to college, because the NCAA > Euroleague. Look at Duke, 4 players NBA bound, Mich St. 2 players NBA, Kentucky, 2 players, Arizona, maybe 3, ALL of Euroleague this year, what 3 guys? If that, yeah inferior competition.

if there are Lebron, Wade level guard sin Euroleague where are they? Why aren't they in the NBA? Let me guess, they chose to stay home rather than play int he best league in the world? No, they don't have the talent to play in the NBA.

Ok. Let us put some records down.

Lebron at 18 would b-slap Euroleague without a doubt, no questions asked.
Dončić is at average after 20+ games MVP of Euroeague at 18 years of age.

What is your point? The Euroleague guys he is playing will never make the NBA, whereas let's use a college guy, Trae Young, has already played more guys this seaosn who are NBA bound than Doncic has. His stats against a guy who can't sniff the NBA does not carry any weight. We'll see what he does when he gets here, my guess is struggle his first few years (which is 100% understandable) and then at his very best, be hedo ingles.

[Nikson]

You could even put Lebron, Wade, Paul, Bosh, Carmelo Anthony ..superstars type of players, at 18, in the same team, they would still lose against European team. I would even give them bonus of 2-3 years of NBA experience and guess what, they would still lose.

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Lebron at 18 would b-slap Euroleague without a doubt, no questions asked. (daoneandonly opinion)
Dončić is at average after 20+ games MVP of Euroeague at 18 years of age. (fact)

[daoneandonly]

You could even put Lebron, Wade, Paul, Bosh, Carmelo Anthony ..superstars type of players, at 18, in the same team, they would still lose against European team.

They'd put up stats like Doncic is doing, only better. Difference is, when they move to the NBA, their skills would translate and they'll also have success there.

I don't include Melo or Bosh is this because I've admitted there have been some Euroleague/overseas bigs that have been studs, ala Dirk, Giannis, Gobert, Jokic, Porzingas. All i want is for someone to show me the guard type guy that's in that conversation because I'm not going to all of a sudden believe Doncic is the guy to break the glass ceiling when so many others before him could not.

[Nikson]

What is your point? The Euroleague guys he is playing will never make the NBA, whereas let's use a college guy, Trae Young, has already played more guys this seaosn who are NBA bound than Doncic has. His stats against a guy who can't sniff the NBA does not carry any weight. We'll see what he does when he gets here, my guess is struggle his first few years (which is 100% understandable) and then at his very best, be hedo ingles.

The opposite is correct. I am sorry.

Dončić in last 12 months, have played against more actual NBA players than Trae Young did against NBA bound players.


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Lebron at 18 would b-slap Euroleague without a doubt, no questions asked. (daoneandonly opinion)
Dončić is at average after 20+ games MVP of Euroeague at 18 years of age. (fact)

[KD95]

What is your point? The Euroleague guys he is playing will never make the NBA, whereas let's use a college guy, Trae Young, has already played more guys this seaosn who are NBA bound than Doncic has. His stats against a guy who can't sniff the NBA does not carry any weight. We'll see what he does when he gets here, my guess is struggle his first few years (which is 100% understandable) and then at his very best, be hedo ingles.

While that is true, just because someone has more talent than someone else, that doesn't mean that player when he is 18-19 years old is better than the less talented player, who is in his prime. No one is doubting that the college players play against more players who are incredibly talented (and also tons of players who won't ever amount to anything in basketball), or that the best NCAA players are much more talented than the EL ones, but that doesn't mean that right now they are better than the EL players in their peak playing professionally.

I don't even want to talk about who is the better prospect, or anything like that, because that's subjective. But your idea that NCAA is a better competition than EL is simply not true. Just read up on the opinions of experts who follow both college and international basketball.

[Bob8]

No one is denying that, what you can't deny though is there are no Euro guards in that type of category. heck i wouldn't even use Lebron in such a comparison because he's other worldly, but let's say 2-3 tiers below Lebron, still no Euro guard ever. That's our point, the Euro bigs have done it, and some even have done it well to that top shelf category (Dirk and soon to be Giannis). No guard can say the same, so why should we believe Doncic is now the exception?

I’m sure Petrovic would have done it, if he didn’t die. And it was really difficult for non Americans back then.

Nobody hasn’t done what he’s doing in Europe at his age either. Rubio was the closest with very poor 6.5/2.8/3.5 and being 1 year older. Nobody except Sabonis was selected in first team of Eurobasket. Nobody was in conversation for MVP award.

What kind of argument to evaluate a player is, that nobody has done it before anyway?

It's a valid argument, you brought up the best example in Rubio. Stats or not, the guy was hyped up to be a top level PG, and he's been all but average in the NBA. This may be the first time he ever makes the playoffs (if they even do)

Dante Exum was a what top 5 pick? he's complete trash, as is Hezonja. You don't spend a high quality picks on these guys, they don't and can't pan out

Rubio was hyped when he was 15 in Europe. When he went in Nba everybody in Europe knew that he cannot shoot, he was 5th man of Barcelona. The difference between 6.5/2.7/3.5 and 17/5/4.5 is huge, don’t you agree? And this 17 means that he’s is second scorer in Euroleague. Hezonja was bench warmer in Europe and wasn’t hyped even in his Croatia. Exum played in Australia, I don’t know anything about their league, but I can imagine quality. Bender played in B team. Ntilikina was bench player in French league. All this players were hyped in USA for no reason.

[daoneandonly]

What is your point? The Euroleague guys he is playing will never make the NBA, whereas let's use a college guy, Trae Young, has already played more guys this seaosn who are NBA bound than Doncic has. His stats against a guy who can't sniff the NBA does not carry any weight. We'll see what he does when he gets here, my guess is struggle his first few years (which is 100% understandable) and then at his very best, be hedo ingles.

The opposite is correct. I am sorry.

Dončić in last 12 months, have played against more actual NBA players than Trae Young did against NBA bound players.
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Like who? I'm not talking these one off games where he plays against NBA guys, I'm talking during his Euroleague season with Real madrid. Who has he played that is also somehow in the NBA?

[Nikson]

You could even put Lebron, Wade, Paul, Bosh, Carmelo Anthony ..superstars type of players, at 18, in the same team, they would still lose against European team.

They'd put up stats like Doncic is doing, only better. Difference is, when they move to the NBA, their skills would translate and they'll also have success there.

I don't include Melo or Bosh is this because I've admitted there have been some Euroleague/overseas bigs that have been studs, ala Dirk, Giannis, Gobert, Jokic, Porzingas. All i want is for someone to show me the guard type guy that's in that conversation because I'm not going to all of a sudden believe Doncic is the guy to break the glass ceiling when so many others before him could not.

I put those two in conversation so they could form a solid team. You can not have 5 guards on the floor.
So we agree they would lose and Dončić is winning. Ok.


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Lebron at 18 would b-slap Euroleague without a doubt, no questions asked. (daoneandonly opinion)
Dončić is at average after 20+ games MVP of Euroeague at 18 years of age. (fact)