Tell Me Why Kelly Olynyk Isn't A Top 10 Center

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

Because Kelly will look amazing 1 game the you think to yourself "Olynyk turned the corner!"" Then the next 3 games he will score 5 points per game, won't shoot and try and pump fake the opponent to death.

[Kevin Johnson]

He'd be good fit with Lebron

[Yoshun]

Instead of a "tell me why he isn't" thread, how about telling us why he is.

[og15]

Capela, Adams, Horford, Drummond and DJ are also firmly ahead of him. Possibly top 15 but not top 10.

Capela is a system player and DJ is one-dimensional.

What is DJ's one dimension?

[Heat3]

Not top 10, but I think a lot of people don't watch heat games so they don't see how impactful he is. What he did in Boston is irrelevant.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

DJ is the main reason why CP3 left. that itself brings him down a few notches lol

[Tnasty4l]

Because he sucks.

[anish23]

wait.. i always thought of him as a 4.

[Else_where]

He shouldn't make it for his haircut alone

[MGB8]

1. Embiid
2. Gobert
3. D.Jordan
4. KAT (despite the lack of D)
5. Cousins (despite a lot of questions)
6. Jokic (despite the lack of D)
7. Capella
8. Adams
9. Whiteside
10. Drummond
11. M.Gasol
12. A.Horford
13. M.Turner
14. P.Gasol
15. D.Howard
16. Jonas
17. Veucevic
18. J.Nurkic
19. B.Lopez (still better than Olynyk)
20. R.Lopez (ditto)

And then you have guys you can argue like Gortat, Kanter, Brooklyn's promising Allen, Noel, Monroe, C.Zeller, Atlanta's promising Collins, etc.

[Feel_the_Heat15]

AD
Embiid
Jokic
Gobert
Cousins
Porzingas
Gasol
Aldridge
Whiteside
Horford
Drummond
Capella
Adams
Turner
DAJ
Dwight
Favors
Nurkic

That's 17 centers that are clearly better players. Val, Vucevic, Lopez, Sabonis also contenders for that. Then you also have Markannen who's probably actually a center ... next season we'll also have Ayton who should be better immediately and also Bamba. So currently he's a top 20 center, if he could play like the last 5 games consistently then he *might* break top 10. No slight on him, center is really strong now.

Nurkic has no offense
Favors is a PF
Dwight doesn't space the floor and his offense is detrimental
DAJ doesn't impact the game as much as Kelly.
Olynyk is easily better than Turner...
I'll give you Adams
I'll give you Capela
I'll give you Drummond
I'll give you Horford
I'd give you Whiteside if he played on a team where he doesn't need to score like Adams and Capela.
Aldridge is a PF unless you consider Pau to be a PF
Neither Gasol brother is better than Olynyk
Porzingas is a PF
Then you have the rest I listed

[SF_Warriors]

Capela, Adams, Horford, Drummond and DJ are also firmly ahead of him. Possibly top 15 but not top 10.

Capela is a system player and DJ is one-dimensional.

Didn't realize elite rebounding and shot blocking comes from a system..

Personally, I would want better rebounding/shot contesting at center, but offensively olynk is solid and he can impact the game like a good starter and is on a good contract. In many ways he is an ideal backup center.

[HotelVitale]

Because you're justifying it with on/off, RPM stats which do not measure individual performance...The only thing +/- stats tell you is that an individual was part of a 5 man unit that performed well...not that Nick Collision caused his lineups to perform well. It's correlation vs causation.

That's the opposite of what RPM is after. It's very much an individual stat and the whole idea behind it is to negate teammate contributions and isolate what the player himself contributed. It's imperfect (esp on defense) but it definitely doesn't have the exact flaws that regular +/- does and doesn't tend to rise or fall based on your teammates.

6th among centers in RPM(#3 in offensive RPM) Has a BPM score of 3(the impact of a star).

Woah down there, a BPM of 3 isn't 'the impact of a star'--it's 42nd in the league and illustrious centers such as Jakob Poeltl, Salah Mejri, Ekpe Udoh, and Lucas Nogueira are doing better than Olynyk in that stat. Not sure you'll want to base your argument on that.

For RPM, last year Olynyk was 27th among power forwards and a tick above Frank Kaminsky. That matters.

It looks to me like Olynyk has been playing really well over the past month, and that you're now assuming that's the real Olynyk and not the decent-not-great guy we've all seen for the previous 4 seasons. You might be right but chances are you're not, and you're not going to convince anyone based on like 3 weeks of hot shooting.

[zzaj]

AD
Embiid
Jokic
Gobert
Cousins
Porzingas
Gasol
Aldridge
Whiteside
Horford
Drummond
Capella
Adams
Turner
DAJ
Dwight
Favors
Nurkic

That's 17 centers that are clearly better players. Val, Vucevic, Lopez, Sabonis also contenders for that. Then you also have Markannen who's probably actually a center ... next season we'll also have Ayton who should be better immediately and also Bamba. So currently he's a top 20 center, if he could play like the last 5 games consistently then he *might* break top 10. No slight on him, center is really strong now.

Nurkic has no offense
Favors is a PF
Dwight doesn't space the floor and his offense is detrimental
DAJ doesn't impact the game as much as Kelly.
Olynyk is easily better than Turner...
I'll give you Adams
I'll give you Capela
I'll give you Drummond
I'll give you Horford
I'd give you Whiteside if he played on a team where he doesn't need to score like Adams and Capela.
Aldridge is a PF unless you consider Pau to be a PF
Neither Gasol brother is better than Olynyk
Porzingas is a PF
Then you have the rest I listed

I suppose you can believe whatever you want, but I have to admit these particularly made me Lol. I mean did you already forget the PDX v. Miami game a week and a half ago?

Nurkic- 27/16/3 with 3 blocks on 12-18 shooting

[babyjax13]

AD
Embiid
Jokic
Gobert
Cousins
Porzingas
Gasol
Aldridge
Whiteside
Horford
Drummond
Capella
Adams
Turner
DAJ
Dwight
Favors
Nurkic

That's 17 centers that are clearly better players. Val, Vucevic, Lopez, Sabonis also contenders for that. Then you also have Markannen who's probably actually a center ... next season we'll also have Ayton who should be better immediately and also Bamba. So currently he's a top 20 center, if he could play like the last 5 games consistently then he *might* break top 10. No slight on him, center is really strong now.

Nurkic has no offense
Favors is a PF
Dwight doesn't space the floor and his offense is detrimental
DAJ doesn't impact the game as much as Kelly.
Olynyk is easily better than Turner...
I'll give you Adams
I'll give you Capela
I'll give you Drummond
I'll give you Horford
I'd give you Whiteside if he played on a team where he doesn't need to score like Adams and Capela.
Aldridge is a PF unless you consider Pau to be a PF
Neither Gasol brother is better than Olynyk
Porzingas is a PF
Then you have the rest I listed

Favors is a center, Aldridge plays center for San Antonio and has for a while, Marc Gasol is better than Olynyk in every way, Porzingas probably will primarily play center once O'Quinn expires and definetely plays some 5, and is definetely way better at being a center than Olynyk. DAJ is also more impactful than you are probably giving him credit for, and you are just wrong about Nurkic.

[JBautista3]

Kelly's been pretty great low-key but as others have mentioned he's been really inconsistent. At this point I'd rather have Poeltl over him as well

[Feel_the_Heat15]

I suppose you can believe whatever you want, but I have to admit these particularly made me Lol. I mean did you already forget the PDX v. Miami game a week and a half ago?

Nurkic- 27/16/3 with 3 blocks on 12-18 shooting

Yeah, because Nurkic has those kind of games almost every time . Half a season ago Blazers fans wanted him gone.

Favors is a center, Aldridge plays center for San Antonio and has for a while, Marc Gasol is better than Olynyk in every way, Porzingas probably will primarily play center once O'Quinn expires and definetely plays some 5, and is definetely way better at being a center than Olynyk. DAJ is also more impactful than you are probably giving him credit for, and you are just wrong about Nurkic.

Even if you consider Favors a center, in what way is he better Olynyk? He's a better defender but outside of that...
How is Aldridge a center for the Spurs when Pau has started 50+ games for them? Marc Gasol's TS% is 52% while Olynyk's is 61% so he's not better than Kelly "in every way".

[Dominator83]

Watched the game last night and he was absolutely brutal. Guys soft as pudding in the paint

[rugby1111]

He’s not lol


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[goodboy]

OP makes one of the worst threads.


Seriously? Top 10? What.