Trade Thread 2: Make your offers here

[Davell]

The Bulls aren't going to be drafting 8th. Its much more likely to be 6 than anything. With a fairly realistic shot at 5 and even a punchers chance at 4, if they go winless.

This is possible but would be pretty unlikely. They're only a half game up on the Kings but then at least 1.5 games up on everyone else, and they also have 3 games left against suck-basement teams, plus one against CHA, who's pretty bad and might be all-out tanking by that time. You might be tempted to think that BKN will be more motivated to win games, but BKN's roster is flat-out weak and they have much less talent than the Bulls even with a few players missing, and their schedule is tougher.

All the teams at the bottom of the standings are bad, and the Bulls rotation now is definitely not worse than most of them. So I'd bet on things staying where they're at now before I'd bet on the Bulls making up 1.5+ games on these other junk teams.

I disagree with this honestly. At MOST, I see the Bulls winning twice. And I think its more likely they get 1 or even none. The Nets may suck bad enough that we won't catch them. That one depends entirely on the home and home.

But the Kings and especially the Magic should pass us, even if we win a game. If we lose out, the Mavs are in play too.

[gardenofsound]

Any chances of bundling a player (Denzel or Bobby) and the Pelicans pick to jump up into range to take Mikal Bridges?

Getting one of the bigs and Bridges would be a coup for this draft.

[Davell]

Any chances of bundling a player (Denzel or Bobby) and the Pelicans pick to jump up into range to take Mikal Bridges?

Getting one of the bigs and Bridges would be a coup for this draft.

I don't think Denzel moves the needle at all. Seriously, what team in the lottery needs to add THAT guy, at the expense of drafting inside the top 10, to outside the top 15, where there's a legit drop off in talent?

Portis? I've got no idea how to gauge his value. He's definitely got some, no idea if a team would do that for him or not, but its at least borderline palatable to think about.

But it kind of seems like Paxson plans on Portis being a part of this core group going forward too. So, no idea if he's even going to be offered up in scenarios like that..... Much less, if a team would do it anyway.

That said, I'm definitely on board with trying to see if he can bring that back.....

[sco]

So here's the moneyball side of me talking, but should the FO be considering trading Lauri? Probably not, but here's the thesis:

1) IMO, rookie bigs get a lot of hype and then their value fades as teams gameplan for them in their 2nd year. If you don't your guy is a perennial allstar, but other teams do...

2) Lauri's mystique is tied to his 3pt shot, but it's not that great (sure he will probably improve, but...)

3) Bobby Portis MAY be a better PF at the end of the day, but won't have as high trade value.

4) Is there a team with similar issues at another position that could be a beneficial partner like Boston with 3 wings in Hayward, Bell and Tatum that could be a good partner?

[sh0ck]

So here's the moneyball side of me talking, but should the FO be considering trading Lauri? Probably not, but here's the thesis:

1) IMO, rookie bigs get a lot of hype and then their value fades as teams gameplan for them in their 2nd year. If you don't your guy is a perennial allstar, but other teams do...

2) Lauri's mystique is tied to his 3pt shot, but it's not that great (sure he will probably improve, but...)

3) Bobby Portis MAY be a better PF at the end of the day, but won't have as high trade value.

4) Is there a team with similar issues at another position that could be a beneficial partner like Boston with 3 wings in Hayward, Bell and Tatum that could be a good partner?

1. What other rookie "big" has gotten the hype? Lauri is pretty much the only big in this draft class that has been considered a top prospect moving forward. The biggest hype (and well deserved) from this draft class has been Mitchell, Simmons, Kuzma, Ball, Tatum, Fultz, and Markkannen. You can game plan against good wings, but you can't game plan against 7 footers that can shot from anywhere on the court.

2. Lauri's value doesn't stem only from 3 pointers. He's shown a ton of scoring versatility at different points of the season. That's like saying Dirk's value was tied to three pointers, which it wasn't... at all.

3. I have not seen any evidence that Bobby has a shot to be a better PF that Lauri. And this is coming from a huge Bobby supporter. Bobby's best bet is that he'll be a great bench scorer at the C position (in the mold of Monroe/Kanter/etc.).

4. If Boston came a knocking with a Tatum swap, I would be 100% down for it. But I'm sure they aren't interested.

[Kurt Heimlich]

I wonder if the Hornets 11th pick will be available for a trade up at all. Everyone knows they need to rebuild and they're littered with big contracts. Batum is too big and terrible of a deal, but if they were motivated to dump a guy like Marvin Williams (owed $29M for the 2 seasons after this) maybe we could do a 11th and Marvin for Pels pick (lets call it 20th) and Bobby.

Then with the 11th pick we go Mikal if he drops, otherwise give me Kevin Knox (at 18yo being UK's best player all year I like his home run upside with his ideal height/length/build and offensive repertoire).

[Fastbrk4brkfast]

Do any of our resident salary cap-ologists know when the Bulls trade exceptions expire?

[sco]

I wonder if the Hornets 11th pick will be available for a trade up at all. Everyone knows they need to rebuild and they're littered with big contracts. Batum is too big and terrible of a deal, but if they were motivated to dump a guy like Marvin Williams (owed $29M for the 2 seasons after this) maybe we could do a 11th and Marvin for Pels pick (lets call it 20th) and Bobby.

Then with the 11th pick we go Mikal if he drops, otherwise give me Kevin Knox (at 18yo being UK's best player all year I like his home run upside with his ideal height/length/build and offensive repertoire).

Batum's contract is way bad, but if we could take his deal and get back a 1st to do it, I'd consider something like:

Batum + Charlotte's 1st for Felicio, Asik, Kilpatrick, Grant and Zipser

We mute the impact of Batum's deal with Felicio's and somewhat Asik's. In essence, we convert Batum's deal into an "almost market" deal. He is a viable starting SF for the duration of that contract AND get the 1st.

[leo921]

For the Hornets I would do

Marvin Williams (2yrs-26m), 11th pick for Portis, Grant, 20th pick

Saves Hornets a ton of money (9m) plus still get a draft pick. Get a young stretch 4, a solid backup PG(there biggest weakness), and a draft pick. Hopefully improves the team enough to keep Kemba in town.

For the Bulls with the 11th pick I want Zhaire Smith. Young hard nosed SG with room for growth. Him and Nwaba off the bench pushing pace would punish bench units.

Other options for 11th
Sexton
Robert Williams
Jontay Porter
Gil-Alexander

[sh0ck]

For the Hornets I would do

Marvin Williams (2yrs-26m), 11th pick for Portis, Grant, 20th pick

Saves Hornets a ton of money (9m) plus still get a draft pick. Get a young stretch 4, a solid backup PG(there biggest weakness), and a draft pick. Hopefully improves the team enough to keep Kemba in town.

For the Bulls with the 11th pick I want Zhaire Smith. Young hard nosed SG with room for growth. Him and Nwaba off the bench pushing pace would punish bench units.

Other options for 11th
Sexton
Robert Williams
Jontay Porter
Gil-Alexander

That's too much to give up for a 9 pick jump. That's essentially giving up 3 late round 1st for a low lottery pick.

[leo921]

You have to give to get.
Portis is the big piece that will get you in a spot to move up.
Grant is a PG that everyone wants to get rid of. He's at best a backup combo guard, cause he's def not a PG

In no way is that giving up too much to move up for a good rookie on a 4yr cheap controlled contract

[sh0ck]

You have to give to get.
Portis is the big piece that will get you in a spot to move up.
Grant is a PG that everyone wants to get rid of. He's at best a backup combo guard, cause he's def not a PG

In no way is that giving up too much to move up for a good rookie on a 4yr cheap controlled contract

I really don't think the difference between talent from 11 to 20 is worth a 1st round pick (which is the price of taking on a contract like Marvin Williams).

[Moosegary]

Any chances of bundling a player (Denzel or Bobby) and the Pelicans pick to jump up into range to take Mikal Bridges?

Getting one of the bigs and Bridges would be a coup for this draft.

Maybe New York- if we take on Noah’s contract. Lopez, Denzel and NO pick for NY and Noah. Just guessing on this.

[sco]

I heard some quotes by Stephen Jackson on the Kawhi situation and it sounds pretty bad with Pops and crew there.

Injury or not, that's a swing for the fences situation. Not sure it's enough but both 1sts plus our 2020 1st might get their attention. If there was a possibility to replace one of those 1sts with Zach or Bobby, I would.

[Repeat 3-peat]

Offseason trade.

Holiday to Philly for picks #37 and #39

Philly gets a solid shooter for their bench that's on a valued contract and we get two extra picks to use on some prospects to develop in the G-league that hopefully replace players like Zipser, and Archie.

Like us, Philly have two first round picks so not sure if they want to use up roster space for rookies when they're ready to be playoff contenders.

[poolshark52]

Offseason trade.

Holiday to Philly for picks #37 and #39

Philly gets a solid shooter for their bench that's on a valued contract and we get two extra picks to use on some prospects to develop in the G-league that hopefully replace players like Zipser, and Archie.

Like us, Philly have two first round picks so not sure if they want to use up roster space for rookies when they're ready to be playoff contenders.

I like this idea. Philly has a ton of picks. They arent' going to want all of them. Holiday would be a good fit there. We could even take Bayless off their hands.

Atlanta also has 4 pics including 30 and 33, Phoenix has 5 picks including 31 and 59. So, there are definitely options out there for picking up some second rounders.

[sh0ck]

Offseason trade.

Holiday to Philly for picks #37 and #39

Philly gets a solid shooter for their bench that's on a valued contract and we get two extra picks to use on some prospects to develop in the G-league that hopefully replace players like Zipser, and Archie.

Like us, Philly have two first round picks so not sure if they want to use up roster space for rookies when they're ready to be playoff contenders.

I like this idea. Philly has a ton of picks. They arent' going to want all of them. Holiday would be a good fit there. We could even take Bayless off their hands.

Atlanta also has 4 pics including 30 and 33, Phoenix has 5 picks including 31 and 59. So, there are definitely options out there for picking up some second rounders.

Oh I'd love that, I have a soft spot for Devonte Grahm.

[Axolotl]

Offseason trade.

Holiday to Philly for picks #37 and #39

Philly gets a solid shooter for their bench that's on a valued contract and we get two extra picks to use on some prospects to develop in the G-league that hopefully replace players like Zipser, and Archie.

Like us, Philly have two first round picks so not sure if they want to use up roster space for rookies when they're ready to be playoff contenders.

I like this, and I think this might appeal to Sixers too. We have no need for Holiday, and Sixers, I assume, have no deep love for 2nd round picks in their current state.

We would have a possibility to get a serviceable player, albeit the odds are not good, and as you said, Sixers would get a proven vet on the cheap.

[HotelVitale]

The Bulls aren't going to be drafting 8th. Its much more likely to be 6 than anything. With a fairly realistic shot at 5 and even a punchers chance at 4, if they go winless.

This is possible but would be pretty unlikely. They're only a half game up on the Kings but then at least 1.5 games up on everyone else, and they also have 3 games left against suck-basement teams...

I disagree with this honestly. At MOST, I see the Bulls winning twice. And I think its more likely they get 1 or even none. The Nets may suck bad enough that we won't catch them. That one depends entirely on the home and home. But the Kings and especially the Magic should pass us, even if we win a game. If we lose out, the Mavs are in play too.

If Bulls win two more, then the Nets would have to win 3 for the Bulls to drop below them. That's what I'm saying--Kings, Mavs, and Nets are favored to lose all or nearly all their remaining games, so the Bulls will need luck to drop and it shouldn't be expected.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Offseason trade.

Holiday to Philly for picks #37 and #39

Philly gets a solid shooter for their bench that's on a valued contract and we get two extra picks to use on some prospects to develop in the G-league that hopefully replace players like Zipser, and Archie.

Like us, Philly have two first round picks so not sure if they want to use up roster space for rookies when they're ready to be playoff contenders.

I like this idea. Philly has a ton of picks. They arent' going to want all of them. Holiday would be a good fit there. We could even take Bayless off their hands.

Atlanta also has 4 pics including 30 and 33, Phoenix has 5 picks including 31 and 59. So, there are definitely options out there for picking up some second rounders.

Oh I'd love that, I have a soft spot for Devonte Grahm.

Graham and Brunson will make two teams very happy with their second round pick. I see high level, backup PG (spot starter) for both. Big fan of both.