2017-2018 OKC Thunder Regular Season Thread Part Deux: Follow the Melo Brick Road

Kizz Fastfists · Post #721 » by **Kizz Fastfists** » Fri Apr 6, 2018 9:41 pm

spearsy23 wrote:I feel sorry for Royce, he's going to go nuclear when george leaves too. I can't believe he's still buying in

His job is to sell hope to the fans.

Pillendreher · Post #722 » by **Pillendreher** » Fri Apr 6, 2018 9:54 pm

Kizz Fastfists wrote:If SA and Kawhi are going to part ways I think OKC's first, even as a late lottery pick, Ferguson, Abrines and Patterson could get that done.

There would probably be 10 other teams who could and would offer more.

Post #723 » by **ThunderBolt** » Fri Apr 6, 2018 9:58 pm

Pillendreher wrote:
Kizz Fastfists wrote:If SA and Kawhi are going to part ways I think OKC's first, even as a late lottery pick, Ferguson, Abrines and Patterson could get that done.

There would probably be 10 other teams who could and would offer more.

I agree but we thought similarly about George. Kawhi is a bit of a question mark with his injury.

Post #724 » by **ThunderBolt** » Fri Apr 6, 2018 10:52 pm

“You've got to look at the team coming back, with free agency coming up with other guys who we could possibly go grab and who could we, myself, [Carmelo Anthony], [Russell Westbrook], who can we recruit with us here. You've got to look at everything."

The fact that George mentions Melo and not Adams baffles me. This isn’t the first time either.

Post #725 » by **Dadouv47** » Fri Apr 6, 2018 11:06 pm

Knrstz wrote:“You've got to look at the team coming back, with free agency coming up with other guys who we could possibly go grab and who could we, myself, [Carmelo Anthony], [Russell Westbrook], who can we recruit with us here. You've got to look at everything."

The fact that George mentions Melo and not Adams baffles me. This isn’t the first time either.

He's not wrong. Melo has more influence in the NBA and could potentially recruit players. Adams can't.

Post #726 » by **ThunderBolt** » Fri Apr 6, 2018 11:16 pm

Dadouv47 wrote:
Knrstz wrote:“You've got to look at the team coming back, with free agency coming up with other guys who we could possibly go grab and who could we, myself, [Carmelo Anthony], [Russell Westbrook], who can we recruit with us here. You've got to look at everything."

The fact that George mentions Melo and not Adams baffles me. This isn’t the first time either.

He's not wrong. Melo has more influence in the NBA and could potentially recruit players. Adams can't.

Anyone who would rather play with Melo than Adams is a low bbiq player and want improve the team.

Kizz Fastfists · Post #727 » by **Kizz Fastfists** » Fri Apr 6, 2018 11:16 pm

Pillendreher wrote:There would probably be 10 other teams who could and would offer more.

How much are you going to give up for a player that only has one year left on their contract and is coming back from an injury that basically cost them a whole season? There are teams that could have destroyed OKC's offer for PG without trying, but they didn't because of the rental aspect. I imagine Kawhi's value could be similarly suppressed, especially considering it would mean he turned down a supermax contract offer from SA.

Kizz Fastfists · Post #728 » by **Kizz Fastfists** » Fri Apr 6, 2018 11:20 pm

Dadouv47 wrote:He's not wrong. Melo has more influence in the NBA and could potentially recruit players. Adams can't.

Either PG doesn't understand the CBA or he's just playing with fans. They can't recruit anyone because there is no space. Unless PG and Melo opt out and sign vet minimum deals then OKC could have some cap space to play with.

alessandrux · Post #729 » by **alessandrux** » Sat Apr 7, 2018 2:05 am

After Clevelands loss to Philadelphia Miami has (in my opinion a huge) incentive to lose against us.

I think we need two wins (one win will be very tricky) to make the postseason, so this might help us.

On the other hand it(the tanking of the lower eastern playoff participants) might lead to Memphis having no incentive to lose against us and might end up being a tougher opponent than expected.

Pillendreher · Post #730 » by **Pillendreher** » Sat Apr 7, 2018 8:08 am

Knrstz wrote:
Dadouv47 wrote:
Knrstz wrote:“You've got to look at the team coming back, with free agency coming up with other guys who we could possibly go grab and who could we, myself, [Carmelo Anthony], [Russell Westbrook], who can we recruit with us here. You've got to look at everything."

The fact that George mentions Melo and not Adams baffles me. This isn’t the first time either.

He's not wrong. Melo has more influence in the NBA and could potentially recruit players. Adams can't.

Anyone who would rather play with Melo than Adams is a low bbiq player and want improve the team.

This isn't about wanting to play with somebody. I think it's more about standing and reputation. And if this team wide delusion helps us retain him, I'm all for it, especially since we're not doing anything this season anyway.

Kizz Fastfists wrote:
Pillendreher wrote:There would probably be 10 other teams who could and would offer more.

How much are you going to give up for a player that only has one year left on their contract and is coming back from an injury that basically cost them a whole season? There are teams that could have destroyed OKC's offer for PG without trying, but they didn't because of the rental aspect. I imagine Kawhi's value could be similarly suppressed, especially considering it would mean he turned down a supermax contract offer from SA.

Good points.

Kizz Fastfists wrote:
Dadouv47 wrote:He's not wrong. Melo has more influence in the NBA and could potentially recruit players. Adams can't.

Either PG doesn't understand the CBA or he's just playing with fans. They can't recruit anyone because there is no space. Unless PG and Melo opt out and sign vet minimum deals then OKC could have some cap space to play with.

Well you of course still have minimum contracts and the taxpayer MLE, but those also come with tax implications, so...

Post #731 » by **Dadouv47** » Sat Apr 7, 2018 1:01 pm

Pillendreher wrote:
Knrstz wrote:
Dadouv47 wrote:
He's not wrong. Melo has more influence in the NBA and could potentially recruit players. Adams can't.

Anyone who would rather play with Melo than Adams is a low bbiq player and want improve the team.

This isn't about wanting to play with somebody. I think it's more about standing and reputation. And if this team wide delusion helps us retain him, I'm all for it, especially since we're not doing anything this season anyway.

Kizz Fastfists wrote:
Pillendreher wrote:There would probably be 10 other teams who could and would offer more.

How much are you going to give up for a player that only has one year left on their contract and is coming back from an injury that basically cost them a whole season? There are teams that could have destroyed OKC's offer for PG without trying, but they didn't because of the rental aspect. I imagine Kawhi's value could be similarly suppressed, especially considering it would mean he turned down a supermax contract offer from SA.

Good points.

Kizz Fastfists wrote:
Dadouv47 wrote:He's not wrong. Melo has more influence in the NBA and could potentially recruit players. Adams can't.

Either PG doesn't understand the CBA or he's just playing with fans. They can't recruit anyone because there is no space. Unless PG and Melo opt out and sign vet minimum deals then OKC could have some cap space to play with.

Well you of course still have minimum contracts and the taxpayer MLE, but those also come with tax implications, so...

This. Melo is no longer a good player but he has a lot of influence in the NBA. I think he's still viewed as a good player by his pairs. That's all that matters to recruit some players.

Pillendreher · Post #732 » by **Pillendreher** » Sat Apr 7, 2018 1:37 pm

Dadouv47 wrote:
Pillendreher wrote:
Knrstz wrote:
Anyone who would rather play with Melo than Adams is a low bbiq player and want improve the team.

This isn't about wanting to play with somebody. I think it's more about standing and reputation. And if this team wide delusion helps us retain him, I'm all for it, especially since we're not doing anything this season anyway.

Kizz Fastfists wrote:
How much are you going to give up for a player that only has one year left on their contract and is coming back from an injury that basically cost them a whole season? There are teams that could have destroyed OKC's offer for PG without trying, but they didn't because of the rental aspect. I imagine Kawhi's value could be similarly suppressed, especially considering it would mean he turned down a supermax contract offer from SA.

Good points.

Kizz Fastfists wrote:
Either PG doesn't understand the CBA or he's just playing with fans. They can't recruit anyone because there is no space. Unless PG and Melo opt out and sign vet minimum deals then OKC could have some cap space to play with.

Well you of course still have minimum contracts and the taxpayer MLE, but those also come with tax implications, so...

This. Melo is no longer a good player but he has a lot of influence in the NBA. I think he's still viewed as a good player by his pairs. That's all that matters to recruit some players.

I wasn't necessarily talking about recruting other players. Even if another player thinks Melo is Jesus come to life as a basketball player, the CBA still matters.
I meant this more as factor for George's decision. Him and Melo are apparently very close. He has talked about him like he should be an All NBA player all season long. If he really does think that highly of Melo, it could matter when it comes to signing a new contract.

Pillendreher · Post #733 » by **Pillendreher** » Sun Apr 8, 2018 11:43 am

So we have the highest probability finishing 4th, the 2nd highest finishing 5th and the 2nd highest finishing 8th.

Post #734 » by **ThunderBolt** » Mon Apr 9, 2018 1:06 am

Last year I watched George a little with Indiana. I was always unimpressed but the sample size was small and he was fighting an injury. I believe he didn’t even play in the game the pacers came to okc but he did play in the game at Indiana. I watched him against the cavs last year and somewhat shifted on my opinion of him.

When he was st Indiana, was he capable of creating his own shot better than he’s done so here? Has he always struggled with ball handling? At times he looks like he doesn’t have much more of a vertical game than Carmelo.

Post #735 » by **bondom34** » Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:14 pm

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Post #736 » by **bondom34** » Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:14 pm

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thekaoswithin · Post #737 » by **thekaoswithin** » Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:57 pm

Playoff PG13 is a real thing, guys.

Westbrook has also shown recently that he's capable of locking down any guard in the league for a 5 minute stretch if he feels like it.

Honestly, given how good Grant has been, I'm higher on the team atm than most of you. We might have ridiculed the thought all year, but it might actually be possible that they have another gear.

Post #738 » by **ThunderBolt** » Tue Apr 10, 2018 4:08 pm

Apparently after shoot around yesterday George was seen icing the right forearm that was giving him pain earlier in the season. I guess that issue has never completely gone away.

Post #739 » by **slick_watts** » Tue Apr 10, 2018 4:12 pm

Knrstz wrote:Apparently after shoot around yesterday George was seen icing the right forearm that was giving him pain earlier in the season. I guess that issue has never completely gone away.

overuse injury from too much fishing in the lakes.

wco81 · Post #740 » by **wco81** » Tue Apr 10, 2018 4:40 pm

OKC is #7 now with a game left.

They've played well against the Warriors, who are going to be playing without Curry for at least the first round.

Try to beat Memphis in the last game, to try to move up to a higher seed, or throw the game to try to finish #7 seed?