2018 Trade Ideas thread

[spicy6]

I am really curious to see what management thinks of randle. I hope we re sign him. But he really will command a lot of money.

[TylersLakers]

Personally, I think any off-season has to involve clarity with Deng. We just cannot bring him back again next year, even though it may make more sense financially to keep him for one more year.

[BBBKobe]

IMO, Magic has only one thing in his mind: Trading Deng. If we trade him, that opens up so many possibilities for the team not only this year but also next year even if we come up empty on Max market this summer.

Of course the $36m question is: Can we trade Deng without absorbing any contract?

I would say, yes. It would cost us a future 1st round pick and Cavs' pick this year. Would it be worth it? Totally. I really don't pay too much attention to 1st round picks in future if our trajectory is upwards from now on. We scored a steal in Kuzma who turned out to be Top 3 player from 2017/18 rookie class. What do we have to lose by trading a 1st round pick if we can unload Deng's salary? Nothing really.

Scenario 1 (Paul George)
- Sign Paul George to 4 year/$130m.
- Re-sign Brook Lopez to 1 year/$15m.
- Re-sign Channing Frye to 1 year/$5m.
- Re-sign Julius Randle to 4 year/$85m.
- Re-sign Isaiah Thomas to 1 year/$25m.

Scenario 2 (no Paul George)
- Re-sign Brook Lopez to 1 year/$15m.
- Re-sign KCP to 1 year/$18m.
- Re-sign Channing Frye to 1 year/$5m.
- Re-sign Julius Randle to 4 year/$85m.
- Re-sign Isaiah Thomas to 1 year/$25m.

Scenario 1 and Scenario has the difference of PG/KCP for 18-19 season. But in 2019 Free Agency, it makes quite a bit of a difference. In Scenario 1, we would have close to $30m in cap space in 2019 summer to go after another good-to-great player. In Scenario 2, we would have cap space to sign two-max players with 7-9 year experience. IMO both of these scenarios are equally good. In the Scenario 2, another (highly unrealistic) thing to note is that if we could get Kawhi Leonard providing he doesn't sign any extension, we could maybe go after Anthony Davis in 2019/20 via trade by offering Randle, and Ingram or Kuzma. Either way, the key is to trade Deng.

Sorry bud, but we're not signing Randle to a long term contract unless Lebron and PG sign as well. This is a guy who we were dying to trade on trade deadline day. Come on folks... we've been trying to get rid of cancer contracts for the past two seasons and now we're going to add another one on our own will? Yeah.. no.

[BBBKobe]

Magic is here to save the day. I think we're swinging for the fences, however I think in the end we'll hit a double or two.

I think Bron is on the radar as is PG. Bringing in those 2 with our current crew doesn't create a balanced team. We lack shooting other than Kuzma and if we re-sign Randle he's on the bench.

I think we'll move fast if we're looking to trade one of the young guys. One scenario is we might try and attach Kuzma or Ingram to Deng to create multiple max slots and have the ability to re-sign Randle. In the PG/Bron scenario we have more starting caliber forwards than we need.

The Randle re-sign will be the interesting part. My guess there is that another team will make an offer that will be very hard for us to match and have the other domino's fall. The trade of a young guy with Deng could be the equalizer to keep Randle. I think Dallas is coming for him with a central roll spot and a near max offer.

My gut tells me that Magic want's a "name" in here to pump up the extended fan base again. Ownership wants this as well to maximize viewership and peripheral merchandise sales. The Buss Family lives off this team unlike most other owners who have teams as toys in their portfolio. They need this team to be relevant again and my guess is that they try and move BIG when the gun sounds.

This forum will be hot come July. Cap locks posts will be everywhere is my guess....

Imagine keeping Randle over Ingram. Jesus folks. Use your heads.

[BBBKobe]

This off-season will determine our future, no question about it. Our FO has for some reason decided to tell the world our intentions of opening two max slots. At the moment, we still don't have enough room for two max slots. That can be achieved through renouncing Randle and or stretching/trading Deng.

I think Magic Johnson would be stupid enough to trade for Kawhi, so that scares me. However Rob Pelinka seems to be the brains of the front office so I trust he'll make some smart decisions with our cap room. The #1 we cannot do this summer is sign any long term contracts unless they are CURRENTLY superstars. Long term contracts have been a cancer for us the past two seasons, we simply can't afford to hand those out to anyone not in the top 15 in the league.

My plan is to swing for the fences this summer while conserving cap space for next year.

2018:

June:

Draft Jaylon Brunson (PG) at #25, Kris Wilkes (SF) with our 2nd rounder via Denver.
Release - Zubac, Wear, GPIII, KCP, Lopez, IT, Frye, Ennis, and Caurso.



July:

July 1st - Trade Deng + 2019 Unprotected 1st + 2019 Chicago Second + 5 million cash to Atlanta for cash considerations

*IF BIG FREE AGENTS COME

- Sign Paul George to $81/3
- Sign Lebron to $105/3
-Sign Randle to 50/3 deal via Bird Rights
-Sign Lopez to vet minimum
-Sign ring chasers
-Sign KCP to MLE

Rotation:

Ball / Brunson
PG / KCP / Hart
Ingram / Wilkes
Lebron / Kuzma
Randle / Lopez

Yay, we're in the playoffs again!


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*****If we strike out this summer is below****

June:

Draft Jaylon Brunson (PG) at #25, Kris Wilkes (SF) with our 2nd rounder via Denver.
Release - Zubac, Wear, GPIII, KCP, Lopez, IT, Frye, Ennis, and Caurso.



July:

* July 1st - Trade Deng + 2019 Unprotected 1st + 2019 Chicago Second + 5 million cash to Atlanta for cash considerations

*This trade only occurs if we get the vibe we're going to land superstar(s)

-Sign Randle to QO, do not match any long term contracts (it would be his best interest to wait till 19 to get paid when theres more teams with money anyways)
-Absorb a one year rental with an additional draft pick from a team trying to open up cap room (such as Gorgat, Faried, Bledsoe)
-Offer one year deals to decent players such as KCP, Lopez, etc.

The idea of this plan would be to conserve cap space for next summer while avoiding signing any long terms contracts. Plus, we may be able to land an additional draft asset if we were to absorb a one year rental. Similar to what we did with Jeremy Lin, Jose Calderon, etc. We would also be able to develop our core of kids while owning our own pick, assuming we didn't trade it since no superstars gave us an indication of coming.

[JohnVancouver]

not sure if unloading Deng with just picks is realistic, but it is definitely a must if we would hope to get 2 max guys + Randle onboard.

I'd honestly rather see us keep Deng and the picks - one more year and he's expiring, or he'll take a buyout. maybe even next year if he sees it's gonna be more of the same

[dockingsched]

Personally, I think any off-season has to involve clarity with Deng. We just cannot bring him back again next year, even though it may make more sense financially to keep him for one more year.

How much clearer could the Deng situation be?

The team has been and will continue to try to dump his contract.

Depending on the price and immediate need for cap, the team will either pay the price to dump him, settle for stretching his contract, or continue to hold his contract. Nothing really confusing about it.

It all depends on how free agency goes and if the lakers have an immediate need to clear his contract this summer.

[Slava]

Personally, I think any off-season has to involve clarity with Deng. We just cannot bring him back again next year, even though it may make more sense financially to keep him for one more year.

How much clearer could the Deng situation be?

The team has been and will continue to try to dump his contract.

Depending on the price and immediate need for cap, the team will either pay the price to dump him, settle for stretching his contract, or continue to hold his contract. Nothing really confusing about it.

It all depends on how free agency goes and if the lakers have an immediate need to clear his contract this summer.

I don't think holding onto him is even a possibility. If we hold onto him we have to play him next season and if we do, there's been no point to holding him back for this one.

[dockingsched]

Personally, I think any off-season has to involve clarity with Deng. We just cannot bring him back again next year, even though it may make more sense financially to keep him for one more year.

How much clearer could the Deng situation be?

The team has been and will continue to try to dump his contract.

Depending on the price and immediate need for cap, the team will either pay the price to dump him, settle for stretching his contract, or continue to hold his contract. Nothing really confusing about it.

It all depends on how free agency goes and if the lakers have an immediate need to clear his contract this summer.

I don't think holding onto him is even a possibility. If we hold onto him we have to play him next season and if we do, there's been no point to holding him back for this one.

If the lakers can’t get a commitment from a top free agent, what would be the incentive to use assets to dump Deng? In a free agent swing and miss scenario, id imagine holding onto Deng would be his most likely scenario.

[Landsberger]

Magic is here to save the day. I think we're swinging for the fences, however I think in the end we'll hit a double or two.

I think Bron is on the radar as is PG. Bringing in those 2 with our current crew doesn't create a balanced team. We lack shooting other than Kuzma and if we re-sign Randle he's on the bench.

I think we'll move fast if we're looking to trade one of the young guys. One scenario is we might try and attach Kuzma or Ingram to Deng to create multiple max slots and have the ability to re-sign Randle. In the PG/Bron scenario we have more starting caliber forwards than we need.

The Randle re-sign will be the interesting part. My guess there is that another team will make an offer that will be very hard for us to match and have the other domino's fall. The trade of a young guy with Deng could be the equalizer to keep Randle. I think Dallas is coming for him with a central roll spot and a near max offer.

My gut tells me that Magic want's a "name" in here to pump up the extended fan base again. Ownership wants this as well to maximize viewership and peripheral merchandise sales. The Buss Family lives off this team unlike most other owners who have teams as toys in their portfolio. They need this team to be relevant again and my guess is that they try and move BIG when the gun sounds.

This forum will be hot come July. Cap locks posts will be everywhere is my guess....

Imagine keeping Randle over Ingram. Jesus folks. Use your heads.

Should have been cap locks!

... I actually think long term Kuzma may be a more valuable player than Ingram overall. On a team that needs a scorer at the 3 he may already be better at that than him. The issue with the "versatility" of Ingram and Randle is that if we are using Ball right and we add PG and/or LeBron the "additional" playmaking aspects of their respective games become far less important leaving the gaps they both have more prominent. Both really need to pound the ball and drive in near isolation to score effectively.... at least that's what we've seen to date.

I don't have hard answers other than we need to create a balanced team. I do not think Bron, Randle and Ingram balance as well as replacing either Randle or Ingram with Kuzma. We've been in development mode. If we bring in just PG we will have another offseason to add someone else and move a little slower. If Bron shows up then we realistically have a 3 year window with year one being a "practice" year unless lightening strikes. In that scenario how long do we wait for further "development"? My guess is that is won't be long. So.... can Ingram and Randle close the gaps in their games and/or perform the way they have in truly meaningful games against the top team? This is the now or never proposition of bringing in a guy like Bron at this stage of his career. We have assets and nice young talent. No one is a complete "star" player however in a balanced situation they could be part of a great team.

[Slava]

How much clearer could the Deng situation be?

The team has been and will continue to try to dump his contract.

Depending on the price and immediate need for cap, the team will either pay the price to dump him, settle for stretching his contract, or continue to hold his contract. Nothing really confusing about it.

It all depends on how free agency goes and if the lakers have an immediate need to clear his contract this summer.

I don't think holding onto him is even a possibility. If we hold onto him we have to play him next season and if we do, there's been no point to holding him back for this one.

If the lakers can’t get a commitment from a top free agent, what would be the incentive to use assets to dump Deng? In a free agent swing and miss scenario, id imagine holding onto Deng would be his most likely scenario.

What makes sense and what the players association would allow are two completely different things. If the Lakers ask Deng to sit out another season despite being healthy, he'd most certainly seek arbitration from the players union and things will get ugly. If your objective is to attract free agents, that's not the kind of legal battle you'd rather be involved.

Its certain that he is not going to be with the Lakers next season, the how is the only part that needs to be resolved.

[biscuittoman]

IMO, Magic has only one thing in his mind: Trading Deng. If we trade him, that opens up so many possibilities for the team not only this year but also next year even if we come up empty on Max market this summer.

Of course the $36m question is: Can we trade Deng without absorbing any contract?

I would say, yes. It would cost us a future 1st round pick and Cavs' pick this year. Would it be worth it? Totally. I really don't pay too much attention to 1st round picks in future if our trajectory is upwards from now on. We scored a steal in Kuzma who turned out to be Top 3 player from 2017/18 rookie class. What do we have to lose by trading a 1st round pick if we can unload Deng's salary? Nothing really.

Scenario 1 (Paul George)
- Sign Paul George to 4 year/$130m.
- Re-sign Brook Lopez to 1 year/$15m.
- Re-sign Channing Frye to 1 year/$5m.
- Re-sign Julius Randle to 4 year/$85m.
- Re-sign Isaiah Thomas to 1 year/$25m.

Scenario 2 (no Paul George)
- Re-sign Brook Lopez to 1 year/$15m.
- Re-sign KCP to 1 year/$18m.
- Re-sign Channing Frye to 1 year/$5m.
- Re-sign Julius Randle to 4 year/$85m.
- Re-sign Isaiah Thomas to 1 year/$25m.

Scenario 1 and Scenario has the difference of PG/KCP for 18-19 season. But in 2019 Free Agency, it makes quite a bit of a difference. In Scenario 1, we would have close to $30m in cap space in 2019 summer to go after another good-to-great player. In Scenario 2, we would have cap space to sign two-max players with 7-9 year experience. IMO both of these scenarios are equally good. In the Scenario 2, another (highly unrealistic) thing to note is that if we could get Kawhi Leonard providing he doesn't sign any extension, we could maybe go after Anthony Davis in 2019/20 via trade by offering Randle, and Ingram or Kuzma. Either way, the key is to trade Deng.

Sorry bud, but we're not signing Randle to a long term contract unless Lebron and PG sign as well. This is a guy who we were dying to trade on trade deadline day. Come on folks... we've been trying to get rid of cancer contracts for the past two seasons and now we're going to add another one on our own will? Yeah.. no.

April fools is over bruh.

Whether people accept it or not, Randle played his way thru to new contract and he finished the season with a bang. 18.8 pts 9.2 reb in close to 50 games he started has proven his worth as one of the most dynamic players in the game.

[dockingsched]

I don't think holding onto him is even a possibility. If we hold onto him we have to play him next season and if we do, there's been no point to holding him back for this one.

If the lakers can’t get a commitment from a top free agent, what would be the incentive to use assets to dump Deng? In a free agent swing and miss scenario, id imagine holding onto Deng would be his most likely scenario.

What makes sense and what the players association would allow are two completely different things. If the Lakers ask Deng to sit out another season despite being healthy, he'd most certainly seek arbitration from the players union and things will get ugly. If your objective is to attract free agents, that's not the kind of legal battle you'd rather be involved.

Its certain that he is not going to be with the Lakers next season, the how is the only part that needs to be resolved.

Your concern only comes into play if the lakers were refusing to play him while also refusing to cut him. All Deng has to do is agree to tear up his contract and both sides can go on their way. Since he wants to get paid, he has no argument.

[LAKESHOW]

Let Deng hang around. It serves as a reminder to Mitch and Jimmy, of what a Fing mess they left us in.

[lelelazza8]

Any chance to trade Deng, 25th pick, CHI 2019 2nd round pick and 2020 LAL (Lotto protected) 1st round pick to ATL for 33rd pick...?

Create cap space to sign two max contract, have 2 second round picks (back up point guard and back up SG/SF).
Resign Randle 5Y/75M (PO 5th Year).
Sign MAX PG13 and LBJ.
Sign MLE Favors.
Sign at min Wear, Frye, Caruso and undrafted Li.Ball

Favors/Zubac/Frye
Randle/Kuzma/Wear
LBJ/Ingram/44th
PG/Hart/Liangelo
Ball/33rd/Caruso

[Rosque]

And have 4 below average 3pt shooter in starting 5? Jesus do you guys even know how to construct a team?

Nowadays you need to have at least 4 shooters on the court at all times.

PG: Ball/Rajon Rondo
SG: PG13/Hart
SF: Ingram/Ariza
PF: Randle/Kuzma/Frye
C: Brook/Noel

[myersia]

Let the rumors begin. Let’s hope for an amazing offseason full of luck and potential!!! Post everything here in regards to rumors or signings if you would like.


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[Edrees]

Looks like we secured the 25th pick in the draft. Who we getting?

[Spens1]

Looks like we secured the 25th pick in the draft. Who we getting?

I like the idea of Gary Trent Jr, even with Hart already secured.

I'd love Shai Gilgeous Alexander to fall to us at 25 or Jontay Porter (who would be a good center in the future for us)

in the second, no question, Landry Shamet

[Dr Aki]

A - deal deng, sign lebron and george, re-sign randle, build contender
B - sign george, re-sign randle, maintain 2019 cap space, get a stud at #25, build playoff team
C - re-sign randle, maintain 2019 cap space, get someone OK at #25, challenge for 8th seed
D - re-sign randle, maintain 2019 cap space, trade deng for a premium, be late lottery team
F - lose randle, move backwards