What is your draft big board? Any updates?

[Qwigglez]

I've wanted Ayton all year, but recently started watching more highlights of Doncic. He's very intriguing, but I think I'd prefer Ayton. Was actually trying to think of reasons why I prefer Ayton, but I can't think of any

Really I would be fine with either Ayton or Doncic. I can see us getting either player, and then finding players in free agency or trade that are available to fill out the rest of the roster. Completely up to the front office which direction as I can't make up my mind if we end up with the No 1 pick.

If we drop out of top 2, trade the pick. I don't have anyone else on my board.

[TheLogician]

Yeah, I get that perspective but unless it's Philly or Cleveland, no one's trading out of the top three. Even MPJ or JJJ at #5 would be great value. Lots of guys with enough upside to roll the dice.

[JMac1]

It blows my mind how this board has convinced itself that Bagley isn’t top 4 material. JJJ is such fool’s gold it’s a shame. It’s like everyone can see JJJ improve on his weaknessses but not Bagley shooting better. Bagley shot isn’t broken and he is very smooth. He can finish and is crafty and athletic. Uber athletic 6’11 a tweener in today’s NBA?!! What world am I in? Faried was a 6’7 midget with no offense. Randle is a short bully ball player. And the focus on FT shooting is way over blown. Bagley shot isn’t broken. I’ll bet anyone a sig, if we pick 3, it’s Bagley all day and rightfully so.

4 is where is gets tricky.

[Saberestar]

If you had Simmons in this draft I'd agree with you. I also like Luka, but he's not near those guys. Having said that I think that's the 1/2.

I'll get crucified for this, but I'd actually consider moving Booker for Memphis' 2nd pick (if PHX/MEM went 1 and 2) and snag both Ayton (same sound as my first name) and Luka. I'd need more than just the number 2 pick, but considering Memphis is still playing for now and Booker can be a great fit alongside Gasol and Conley Jr. They may consider.

You'd want a future unprotected pick from Memphis (though Boston's future pick squashes that hope), not sure if they have anything else to offer.

Let's play the alternative. If Phoenix drafts 1 they land Ayton. You then roll with PG?/Booker/Warren/Jackson/Ayton

First off, who is the PG? Do you offer QO to Payton? Who do you pursue in FA? Let's say you net a solid PG, what's the new ceiling of the team.

Has Hinkie taught you nothing? Are you not entertained?

I do not want to trade Booker, I do not even consider it.
And I do not want Payton back. I would try other options.

[bwgood77]

It blows my mind how this board has convinced itself that Bagley isn’t top 4 material. JJJ is such fool’s gold it’s a shame. It’s like everyone can see JJJ improve on his weaknessses but not Bagley shooting better. Bagley shot isn’t broken and he is very smooth. He can finish and is crafty and athletic. Uber athletic 6’11 a tweener in today’s NBA?!! What world am I in? Faried was a 6’7 midget with no offense. Randle is a short bully ball player. And the focus on FT shooting is way over blown. Bagley shot isn’t broken. I’ll bet anyone a sig, if we pick 3, it’s Bagley all day and rightfully so.

4 is where is gets tricky.

Over a third of this forum would take Bagley at #3 and not too many would take JJJ there. viewtopic.php?f=27&t=1681673

I guess it just comes down to how many guys you want on the team that can't play defense and/or needs to improve on shooting? Especially a guy who can't rim protect or block shots? He just lacks some very important elite NBA skills and can't hang is hat on anything but rebounding and put backs.

I do think Bagley will be the type to put up decent numbers though I am just not sure he is going to be an easy guy to build a good team around unless you already have that structure in place with superior shooting and defense and need a roll finisher and rebounder in the middle.

I'm starting to think about Porter in the top 4 again because I'm not sure how much I should hold limited tourney time after injury against him when out of shape if he was really solid prior to that and a consideration for #1. But still tough without much to go on in college.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

It blows my mind how this board has convinced itself that Bagley isn’t top 4 material. JJJ is such fool’s gold it’s a shame. It’s like everyone can see JJJ improve on his weaknessses but not Bagley shooting better. Bagley shot isn’t broken and he is very smooth. He can finish and is crafty and athletic. Uber athletic 6’11 a tweener in today’s NBA?!! What world am I in? Faried was a 6’7 midget with no offense. Randle is a short bully ball player. And the focus on FT shooting is way over blown. Bagley shot isn’t broken. I’ll bet anyone a sig, if we pick 3, it’s Bagley all day and rightfully so.

4 is where is gets tricky.

Over a third of this forum would take Bagley at #3 and not too many would take JJJ there. viewtopic.php?f=27&t=1681673

I guess it just comes down to how many guys you want on the team that can't play defense and/or needs to improve on shooting? Especially a guy who can't rim protect or block shots? He just lacks some very important elite NBA skills and can't hang is hat on anything but rebounding and put backs.

I do think Bagley will be the type to put up decent numbers though I am just not sure he is going to be an easy guy to build a good team around unless you already have that structure in place with superior shooting and defense and need a roll finisher and rebounder in the middle.

I'm starting to think about Porter in the top 4 again because I'm not sure how much I should hold limited playoff time after injury against him if he was really solid prior to that.

I think Bagley will be better defensively in the league, and I think the same of Ayton. Offensively, the reason I'm intrigued by Bagley is because of how strong I think he will be as a roll man. But I don't think we have an elite P&R ball handler - which is part of the reason why I've downgraded Bagley a bit as a fit for us. His energy on our front line would, however, be a huge upgrade.

I have a hard time believing JJJr won't eventually be a very good roll man, even if he doesn't climb to Bagley's status. The defense, shooting and wingspan make too big a difference, in the end.

[jcsunsfan]

Why is JJJr such a poor rebounder? That kid may end up good, but I think we will still be waiting for him to develop two years from now.

[bwgood77]

It blows my mind how this board has convinced itself that Bagley isn’t top 4 material. JJJ is such fool’s gold it’s a shame. It’s like everyone can see JJJ improve on his weaknessses but not Bagley shooting better. Bagley shot isn’t broken and he is very smooth. He can finish and is crafty and athletic. Uber athletic 6’11 a tweener in today’s NBA?!! What world am I in? Faried was a 6’7 midget with no offense. Randle is a short bully ball player. And the focus on FT shooting is way over blown. Bagley shot isn’t broken. I’ll bet anyone a sig, if we pick 3, it’s Bagley all day and rightfully so.

4 is where is gets tricky.

Over a third of this forum would take Bagley at #3 and not too many would take JJJ there. viewtopic.php?f=27&t=1681673

I guess it just comes down to how many guys you want on the team that can't play defense and/or needs to improve on shooting? Especially a guy who can't rim protect or block shots? He just lacks some very important elite NBA skills and can't hang is hat on anything but rebounding and put backs.

I do think Bagley will be the type to put up decent numbers though I am just not sure he is going to be an easy guy to build a good team around unless you already have that structure in place with superior shooting and defense and need a roll finisher and rebounder in the middle.

I'm starting to think about Porter in the top 4 again because I'm not sure how much I should hold limited playoff time after injury against him if he was really solid prior to that.

I think Bagley will be better defensively in the league, and I think the same of Ayton. Offensively, the reason I'm intrigued by Bagley is because of how strong I think he will be as a roll man. But I don't think we have an elite P&R ball handler - which is part of the reason why I've downgraded Bagley a bit as a fit for us. His energy on our front line would, however, be a huge upgrade.

I have a hard time believing JJJr won't eventually be a very good roll man, even if he doesn't climb to Bagley's status. The defense, shooting and wingspan make too big a difference, in the end.

I don't know about Bagley and his D. I hope so for his case (or if we draft him). Once they went to zone he didn't have to do much, but prior to that it was a mess.

He could be a good roll man but teams will probably force him right since he is so left dominant and it may make it more difficult for him to finish if he is trying to finish with his left hand from the right side, whether it be switching hands or whatever. We'll see.

[bwgood77]

Why is JJJr such a poor rebounder? That kid may end up good, but I think we will still be waiting for him to develop two years from now.

Here is part of it from a Bamba vs JJJr comparison...

Rebounding

Based on numbers, we’ll have to go with Bamba — but again, both players thrive here.

Part of this is position based. Jackson plays power forward next to Nick Ward, who’s averaging 7.5 rebounds in under 20 minutes per game (seriously). Ward isn’t nearly as mobile as Jackson, so the latter is often asked to defend stretch fours on the perimeter. Bamba, meanwhile, is (rightfully) camped in the paint, so his rebounding numbers are bound to be higher. Dylan Osetkowski is tasked with chasing around smaller forwards.

It's splitting hairs, but Bamba’s rebounding radius in insane — and frankly, unparalleled.

Edge: Bamba

https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2018-03-01/college-basketball-tale-tape-mohamed-bamba-vs-jaren-jackson

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Over a third of this forum would take Bagley at #3 and not too many would take JJJ there. viewtopic.php?f=27&t=1681673

I guess it just comes down to how many guys you want on the team that can't play defense and/or needs to improve on shooting? Especially a guy who can't rim protect or block shots? He just lacks some very important elite NBA skills and can't hang is hat on anything but rebounding and put backs.

I do think Bagley will be the type to put up decent numbers though I am just not sure he is going to be an easy guy to build a good team around unless you already have that structure in place with superior shooting and defense and need a roll finisher and rebounder in the middle.

I'm starting to think about Porter in the top 4 again because I'm not sure how much I should hold limited playoff time after injury against him if he was really solid prior to that.

I think Bagley will be better defensively in the league, and I think the same of Ayton. Offensively, the reason I'm intrigued by Bagley is because of how strong I think he will be as a roll man. But I don't think we have an elite P&R ball handler - which is part of the reason why I've downgraded Bagley a bit as a fit for us. His energy on our front line would, however, be a huge upgrade.

I have a hard time believing JJJr won't eventually be a very good roll man, even if he doesn't climb to Bagley's status. The defense, shooting and wingspan make too big a difference, in the end.

I don't know about Bagley and his D. I hope so for his case (or if we draft him). Once they went to zone he didn't have to do much, but prior to that it was a mess.

He could be a good roll man but teams will probably force him right since he is so left dominant and it may make it more difficult for him to finish if he is trying to finish with his left hand from the right side, whether it be switching hands or whatever. We'll see.

This is part of the Amare parallel - all Amare could do his first few years in the league was attack going right. "All" you had to do was force him left. Not only was that much easier said than done, but it wasn't long until Amare eventually added a left, and later, a jump shot. On the latter point, Bagley's ahead of where Amare was.

Amare was not projected to be a bad defender during the draft process (nbadraft.net's comparison was Ben Wallace ( )) but turned out to be far below-average.

So naturally, an Amare/Marion hybrid is enticing. But we don't have Steve Nash on this roster, which diminishes that appeal to some extent. If we're just talking about excitement factor, personally, Bagley's at least near the top for me. My head tells me other players would be better choices, but my heart tells me Bagley's a multiple-time all-star.

[jcsunsfan]

It blows my mind how this board has convinced itself that Bagley isn’t top 4 material. JJJ is such fool’s gold it’s a shame. It’s like everyone can see JJJ improve on his weaknessses but not Bagley shooting better. Bagley shot isn’t broken and he is very smooth. He can finish and is crafty and athletic. Uber athletic 6’11 a tweener in today’s NBA?!! What world am I in? Faried was a 6’7 midget with no offense. Randle is a short bully ball player. And the focus on FT shooting is way over blown. Bagley shot isn’t broken. I’ll bet anyone a sig, if we pick 3, it’s Bagley all day and rightfully so.

4 is where is gets tricky.

I really like Bagley. He has the motor and the body to really be great. He also has good skills and excellent college production. I think what intrigues so many about JJJ is that wingspan and the blocks. But that kid is wildly inconsistent. He would be a great pick for a team swinging for the fences and with time to develop a player. We have already gone that route with Len, Bender, and Chriss. We need a player that will be ready to produce now. Bagley would fit that bill more than JJJ.

However, I like Carter almost as much as Bagley. He is that Horford/Kurt Thomas type of player. He isn't flashy but he gets wins.

[WeekapaugGroove]

It blows my mind how this board has convinced itself that Bagley isn’t top 4 material. JJJ is such fool’s gold it’s a shame. It’s like everyone can see JJJ improve on his weaknessses but not Bagley shooting better. Bagley shot isn’t broken and he is very smooth. He can finish and is crafty and athletic. Uber athletic 6’11 a tweener in today’s NBA?!! What world am I in? Faried was a 6’7 midget with no offense. Randle is a short bully ball player. And the focus on FT shooting is way over blown. Bagley shot isn’t broken. I’ll bet anyone a sig, if we pick 3, it’s Bagley all day and rightfully so.

4 is where is gets tricky.

I really like Bagley. He has the motor and the body to really be great. He also has good skills and excellent college production. I think what intrigues so many about JJJ is that wingspan and the blocks. But that kid is wildly inconsistent. He would be a great pick for a team swinging for the fences and with time to develop a player. We have already gone that route with Len, Bender, and Chriss. We need a player that will be ready to produce now. Bagley would fit that bill more than JJJ.

However, I like Carter almost as much as Bagley. He is that Horford/Kurt Thomas type of player. He isn't flashy but he gets wins.

I bolded the part I see differently. I actually see Bagley as more of the swing for the fences guy who is going to take time to be a 'winning' type player. I think he's best suited for a team very early in a rebuild who both has the time to develop his weaknesses and also put the right roster around him. Sure he's going to put up some counting stats in points and boards but I don't see any conceivable way he's not a huge problem on D early in his career. On that side of the ball what teams will have to hope is he either puts on enough weight to play the 5 exclusively which helps his fit on O or that he gets aware and good enough to be able to check smaller quicker players. It's going to be a process with that. Then there's the fit thing; until he can consistently hit an outside shot you will need to surround him with shooters. With the Suns in particular I'm not sure how he could be paired with Warren or JJ and you would be able to run an efficient offense; the spacing issues would be troubling.

With JJJ I think he will have a positive impact on D from day one and on O early in his career he's probably going to be relying on put backs and also just camping out in the corner and shooting 3's. He probably won't put up the points or rebounds Bagley will early in his career but I think he will have a more immediate impact simply because of his D. Then by being able to stretch the floor he would allow them to play lineup with their non shooters like JJ and Warren and still have some spacing.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

One thing that favors Ayton and Bagley (and to a lesser extent Carter) over JJJr in my mind is how they would fit with Bender. I think Dragan would be able to make killer entry passes to a good big man... Ayton, obviously, could be an especially good fit. Dragan would make it his life's goal to spoonfeed dunks and layups to Deandre.

[collidingNeurons]

Porter is 4 for me now, behind Ayton, Doncic and Jackson

he was pretty much the consensus top pick pre-season and as long as his back checks out I'd much prefer him to Bamba, Bagley or Young

but had you told me before the season we are guaranteed one of the these guys i would have preferences but still overall pretty happy

[bwgood77]

It blows my mind how this board has convinced itself that Bagley isn’t top 4 material. JJJ is such fool’s gold it’s a shame. It’s like everyone can see JJJ improve on his weaknessses but not Bagley shooting better. Bagley shot isn’t broken and he is very smooth. He can finish and is crafty and athletic. Uber athletic 6’11 a tweener in today’s NBA?!! What world am I in? Faried was a 6’7 midget with no offense. Randle is a short bully ball player. And the focus on FT shooting is way over blown. Bagley shot isn’t broken. I’ll bet anyone a sig, if we pick 3, it’s Bagley all day and rightfully so.

4 is where is gets tricky.

I just did tankathon sim 5 times and we got Bagley at 4th 4 times of the 5, so maybe it's meant to be. The other time we got Ayton at 2.

[JMac1]

It blows my mind how this board has convinced itself that Bagley isn’t top 4 material. JJJ is such fool’s gold it’s a shame. It’s like everyone can see JJJ improve on his weaknessses but not Bagley shooting better. Bagley shot isn’t broken and he is very smooth. He can finish and is crafty and athletic. Uber athletic 6’11 a tweener in today’s NBA?!! What world am I in? Faried was a 6’7 midget with no offense. Randle is a short bully ball player. And the focus on FT shooting is way over blown. Bagley shot isn’t broken. I’ll bet anyone a sig, if we pick 3, it’s Bagley all day and rightfully so.

4 is where is gets tricky.

I just did tankathon sim 5 times and we got Bagley at 4th 4 times of the 5, so maybe it's meant to be. The other time we got Ayton at 2.

I have had two dreams on the past 4 days where we have gotten the 4th pick in the lottery. Booker represented the last one and he was pissed....I can’t take this waiting, uncertainty, and feeling of doom! I was good until we lost that Milwaukee pick on Sat.

[JMac1]

Today’s Tankathon for me 4th 1st 1st 4th and 1st

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Today’s Tankathon for me 4th 1st 1st 4th and 1st

I've only done it like 6 or 7 times, but I've gotten 1 maybe 5 of those times.

... OK. 10times in a row to see if I'm lucky:

4 Bagley
3 Jackson
1 Ayton
4 Bagley
4 Bagley
1 Ayton
2 Doncic
1 Ayton
4 Bagley
1 Ayton

So, tankathon has our board as:

1 Ayton
2 Doncic
3 Jackson
4 Bagley

[bwgood77]

Today’s Tankathon for me 4th 1st 1st 4th and 1st

I've only done it like 6 or 7 times, but I've gotten 1 maybe 5 of those times.

... OK. 10times in a row to see if I'm lucky:

4 Bagley
3 Jackson
1 Ayton
4 Bagley
4 Bagley
1 Ayton
2 Doncic
1 Ayton
4 Bagley
1 Ayton

So, tankathon has our board as:

1 Ayton
2 Doncic
3 Jackson
4 Bagley

Sometimes I wonder if their formula works out in a way that is very different than how it will really work out. I am not completely sure it does a random draw for 1, and then resets and does it for 2, then 3, etc.

I think it just spits out the odds.

Because it seems like on tankathon I gut #2 FAR less than 21.5% of the time or at least way less than half of the times I get either 1 or 4, and I get 4 the most. Now we should theoretically get 4 the most individually, but not more than the other's combined, which is kind of what your results show. It just seems like 2 very rarely happens for me.

[lilfishi22]

It blows my mind how this board has convinced itself that Bagley isn’t top 4 material. JJJ is such fool’s gold it’s a shame. It’s like everyone can see JJJ improve on his weaknessses but not Bagley shooting better. Bagley shot isn’t broken and he is very smooth. He can finish and is crafty and athletic. Uber athletic 6’11 a tweener in today’s NBA?!! What world am I in? Faried was a 6’7 midget with no offense. Randle is a short bully ball player. And the focus on FT shooting is way over blown. Bagley shot isn’t broken. I’ll bet anyone a sig, if we pick 3, it’s Bagley all day and rightfully so.

4 is where is gets tricky.

Over a third of this forum would take Bagley at #3 and not too many would take JJJ there. viewtopic.php?f=27&t=1681673

I guess it just comes down to how many guys you want on the team that can't play defense and/or needs to improve on shooting? Especially a guy who can't rim protect or block shots? He just lacks some very important elite NBA skills and can't hang is hat on anything but rebounding and put backs.

I do think Bagley will be the type to put up decent numbers though I am just not sure he is going to be an easy guy to build a good team around unless you already have that structure in place with superior shooting and defense and need a roll finisher and rebounder in the middle.

I'm starting to think about Porter in the top 4 again because I'm not sure how much I should hold limited tourney time after injury against him when out of shape if he was really solid prior to that and a consideration for #1. But still tough without much to go on in college.

I was actually thinking about it this morning and I really feel I should revise my last update. I feel putting Porter that far back is probably unfair. I've revised my update that I did yesterday.