WCQF: P1 | (4) OKC Thunder vs Utah Jazz (5) | Utah wins 4-2

BudTugly · Post #1481 » by **BudTugly** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 6:45 am

GB 1,BN 0. I suck at posting.

WestbrookGOATed · Post #1482 » by **WestbrookGOATed** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 2:20 pm

erudite23 wrote:There's an idea nested deep within people's reasoning that OKC is simply more talented than Utah, and that as a result it's just a matter of time until that manifests itself and the Thunder pull away. Well, I'm sorry but that is not true. Utah has the advantage in basketball talent in this series. Westbrook is overrated and doesn't play the game with the intelligence necessary to win at the highest levels. Paul George is fantastic but is miscast as the first scoring option on a playoff contending team. He's much better playing off the ball, defending/rebounding his balls off and acting as a secondary ball handler. Carmelo at this point is a caricature of his former self, which was never that great to begin with. Steven Adams is the only person on the team who is much better than he gets credit for--he's a freaking beast and is way better than the average fan understands, imo.

The Jazz have a lot of good-to-very-good players and they play together as a team. Rudy Gobert is probably the best player in this series, in terms of actual impact on winning. Donovan is still young, but he's on the come and getting better seemingly every game. We all saw what Favors can do if given a chance last game.

The Jazz have more talent and are a better team. It's still possible that they could lose the series, though I highly doubt they will. The way some people are talking about this matchup is like OKC are the champs and Utah is some anonymous team lucky to be here. Go listen to Lowe's podcast from today and you'll hear even him doing it (and I think he's the best in the business rn).

The Thunder are a good team that people keep expecting to be great. That is not going to happen--it's time for everyone to wake up to that fact.

How do the Jazz have more talent? Who on that team is better than Russell Westbrook or Paul George? Gobert has a slight edge on Adams but aside from that I can't think of a single player on that team that even comes close to the 2 players I mentioned talent wise. I won't address the rest of that nonsense.

KqWIN · Post #1483 » by **KqWIN** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 5:05 pm

If you effect the game on offense = talent, if you effect the game on defense = impact. At least that's how it seems these days...

There's really no point in discussing semantics. What helps you win helps you win.

Post #1484 » by **MoneyTalks41890** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 5:35 pm

Clearly Jazz play better team ball, but Russ and PG are tiers above any individual players on the Jazz. There are lots of arguments to make in favor of the Jazz. This isn't one.

313 Professor · Post #1485 » by **313 Professor** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 5:37 pm

Who plays for the Jazz? They still got Carlos Boozer?

dautjazz · Post #1486 » by **dautjazz** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 6:57 pm

313 Professor wrote:Who plays for the Jazz? They still got Carlos Boozer?

Please tell me you're joking.

dautjazz · Post #1487 » by **dautjazz** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 7:08 pm

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:Clearly Jazz play better team ball, but Russ and PG are tiers above any individual players on the Jazz. There are lots of arguments to make in favor of the Jazz. This isn't one.

Problem with OKC is their leader is a low bball IQ player, PG is their best player and his shooting overall is inefficient for a high volume shooter, and Anthony is simply terrible at this stage. Adams I think is easily their 3rd best player, but he certainly struggled in game 2 with foul trouble, and I'm sure Utah will try to get him in foul trouble again. Jazz don't tend to get in lot of foul trouble, though Gobert will get in occasional trouble do contesting so many shots and setting so many screens. I think the Jazz have played better in both games really, game 1 really was that PG could not miss. If PG had his average playoff performance, OKC losses that game as well.

Post #1488 » by **MoneyTalks41890** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 7:19 pm

dautjazz wrote:
MoneyTalks41890 wrote:Clearly Jazz play better team ball, but Russ and PG are tiers above any individual players on the Jazz. There are lots of arguments to make in favor of the Jazz. This isn't one.

Problem with OKC is their leader is a low bball IQ player, PG is their best player and his shooting overall is inefficient for a high volume shooter, and Anthony is simply terrible at this stage. Adams I think is easily their 3rd best player, but he certainly struggled in game 2 with foul trouble, and I'm sure Utah will try to get him in foul trouble again. Jazz don't tend to get in lot of foul trouble, though Gobert will get in occasional trouble do contesting so many shots and setting so many screens. I think the Jazz have played better in both games really, game 1 really was that PG could not miss. If PG had his average playoff performance, OKC losses that game as well.

Na OKC cruised game 1.

Adams is clearly pretty injured but yeah he's third. Low IQ isn't really worth responding to.

dautjazz · Post #1489 » by **dautjazz** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 7:46 pm

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:
dautjazz wrote:
MoneyTalks41890 wrote:Clearly Jazz play better team ball, but Russ and PG are tiers above any individual players on the Jazz. There are lots of arguments to make in favor of the Jazz. This isn't one.

Problem with OKC is their leader is a low bball IQ player, PG is their best player and his shooting overall is inefficient for a high volume shooter, and Anthony is simply terrible at this stage. Adams I think is easily their 3rd best player, but he certainly struggled in game 2 with foul trouble, and I'm sure Utah will try to get him in foul trouble again. Jazz don't tend to get in lot of foul trouble, though Gobert will get in occasional trouble do contesting so many shots and setting so many screens. I think the Jazz have played better in both games really, game 1 really was that PG could not miss. If PG had his average playoff performance, OKC losses that game as well.

Na OKC cruised game 1.

Adams is clearly pretty injured but yeah he's third. Low IQ isn't really worth responding to.

You really think WB makes intelligent decisions out there? I think he's absolutely gifted athletically and has a ton will to get **** down, but when he can have very questionable shot selection, will continue to take difficult shots when he can hit anything, and makes careless passes often. I understand he's the star of your team, but as someone who used to love this guy, I started to notice this way too frequently.

OGLife · Post #1490 » by **OGLife** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:44 pm

If Utah wins, this could go down as a very underrated upset

Catchall · Post #1491 » by **Catchall** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 9:45 pm

If the game is close, I actually like Mitchell late in the game as much as anyone on OKC, tbh. He can get in the paint more often than not and make good decisions once he gets there. So far Mitchell has done a better job of getting in the lane than Westbrook has.

Post #1492 » by **FJS** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:57 pm

I still think okc are favorites since they have more Star power and experience. Still I would love jazz being top 4 in the west without Hayward and without any allstar. This would be poetic justice.

Ballerhogger · Post #1493 » by **Ballerhogger** » Sun Apr 22, 2018 12:47 am

55 points so for Mitchell most by any rookie all time

WestbrookGOATed · Post #1494 » by **WestbrookGOATed** » Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:07 am

dautjazz wrote:
MoneyTalks41890 wrote:Clearly Jazz play better team ball, but Russ and PG are tiers above any individual players on the Jazz. There are lots of arguments to make in favor of the Jazz. This isn't one.

Problem with OKC is their leader is a low bball IQ player, PG is their best player and his shooting overall is inefficient for a high volume shooter, and Anthony is simply terrible at this stage. Adams I think is easily their 3rd best player, but he certainly struggled in game 2 with foul trouble, and I'm sure Utah will try to get him in foul trouble again. Jazz don't tend to get in lot of foul trouble, though Gobert will get in occasional trouble do contesting so many shots and setting so many screens. I think the Jazz have played better in both games really, game 1 really was that PG could not miss. If PG had his average playoff performance, OKC losses that game as well.

Lets not play the what if game. If Adams didn't get in foul trouble Thunder would most likely be up 2-0. It took Adams missing most of the 2nd half and the big 3 not making a single shot in the 4th(how often you think that will happen?) for the Jazz to win by 7. By the way, I love Paul George but he's not better than Westbrook. Westbrook is a top 5 player.

RalphSampsonJr · Post #1495 » by **RalphSampsonJr** » Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:09 am

Thunder have the better players but the Jazz have the better team.
If thr jazz can stop Russ or PG from having three monster games they will win the series

nbafan38 · Post #1496 » by **nbafan38** » Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:12 am

I think it hurts Westbrook legacy a bit if he loses this series, last year he mostly got a free pass due to the lack of talent around him but if he loses this series with the current team to a team led by a rookie it would be a bit of a stain on him.

DTP · Post #1497 » by **DTP** » Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:14 am

Not looking forward to 3hrs of these horrible Jazz uniforms.

Catchall · Post #1498 » by **Catchall** » Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:39 am

DTP wrote:Not looking forward to 3hrs of these horrible Jazz uniforms.

One of the ESPN commentators once called them "mild, medium, spicy" like referring to spicy buffalo wings. I don't mind them myself. It's supposed to be a red-rock/sunset concept.

Wait til you see the colorful shirts that the fans are being given.

DTP · Post #1499 » by **DTP** » Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:57 am

Catchall wrote:
DTP wrote:Not looking forward to 3hrs of these horrible Jazz uniforms.

One of the ESPN commentators once called them "mild, medium, spicy" like referring to spicy buffalo wings. I don't mind them myself. It's supposed to be a red-rock/sunset concept.

Wait til you see the colorful shirts that the fans are being given.

Just seen a glimpse of the crowd.....OKC needs to end this in 5. Can't take more than 2 games of this.

Asian Celtic · Post #1500 » by **Asian Celtic** » Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:58 am

Go Jazz. Rooting for an upset.

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