Trade Thread 2: Make your offers here

[TheFinishSniper]

We really should buy a 2nd rounder and consider taking Ajdin Penava out of Marshall. Dude is 6'10, can handle the ball, shoot, play off the ball and led the NCAA in blocks if i'm not mistaken

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I know it's just highlights, but that's likely closest I saw basketball player come to Kukoc. Obviously nowhere near talent Toni was, because Toni at that age dominated Europe, but skillset, size, playstyle and position wise sure.

[xpmar9x]

I'm intrigued by the Clippers picks at 12 and 13. Would they take Portis and 22 for 13? They are thin at PF/C and don't seem to be in a rebuild. With 13 we would have a shot at Mikes Bridges, Zhaire Smith, Robinson or whoever else is moving up the charts. Do the Clips really want two rookies? Do they have a bad contract they want to shed?

I'm interested in this as well, IF we cant get Bobby to resign a fair extension this summer. No way in hell im paying him $10m+/yr, especially because he doesnt fit "our window". BP would be the Clips 2nd best big behind DeAndre instantly (if he picks up his PO).

Only bad contract I'd take back is 1y/$9.5m of Boban Marjanovic. Not touching Gallinaris 2y/$24.2m, although we could probably get him + a 1st w/o trading BP though

[Chi town]

I'm intrigued by the Clippers picks at 12 and 13. Would they take Portis and 22 for 13? They are thin at PF/C and don't seem to be in a rebuild. With 13 we would have a shot at Mikes Bridges, Zhaire Smith, Robinson or whoever else is moving up the charts. Do the Clips really want two rookies? Do they have a bad contract they want to shed?

I'm interested in this as well, IF we cant get Bobby to resign a fair extension this summer. No way in hell im paying him $10m+/yr, especially because he doesnt fit "our window". BP would be the Clips 2nd best big behind DeAndre instantly (if he picks up his PO).

Only bad contract I'd take back is 1y/$9.5m of Boban Marjanovic. Not touching Gallinaris 2y/$24.2m, although we could probably get him + a 1st w/o trading BP though

If you get JJJ or Bamba at 6 this is the exact type of trade you make moving Portis to move up. I think Clipps would take the deal because they want to be in the playoffs and not bottom out. Portis helps them right away.

I would only make that trade to 13 if Zhaire Smith is there though. Maybe for SGA too.

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I'm intrigued by the Clippers picks at 12 and 13. Would they take Portis and 22 for 13? They are thin at PF/C and don't seem to be in a rebuild. With 13 we would have a shot at Miles Bridges, Zhaire Smith, Robinson or whoever else is moving up the charts. Do the Clips really want two rookies? Do they have a bad contract they want to shed?

I'm interested in this as well, IF we cant get Bobby to resign a fair extension this summer. No way in hell im paying him $10m+/yr, especially because he doesnt fit "our window". BP would be the Clips 2nd best big behind DeAndre instantly (if he picks up his PO).

Only bad contract I'd take back is 1y/$9.5m of Boban Marjanovic. Not touching Gallinaris 2y/$24.2m, although we could probably get him + a 1st w/o trading BP though

If you get JJJ or Bamba at 6 this is the exact type of trade you make moving Portis to move up. I think Clipps would take the deal because they want to be in the playoffs and not bottom out. Portis helps them right away.

I would only make that trade to 13 if Zhaire Smith is there though. Maybe for SGA too.

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Double post.

[Belf]

Build a big 3?

1st off there is an assumption here that LaVine re-signs at 15-18m/yr. We use him as a sign and trade in this scenario. Also we re-sign Nwaba for 3-4years at $15-20m

Trade #1:
Bulls get: Kawhi Leonard, Pau Gasol, (a couple of 2nd round picks)
Spurs get: Markkanen, #6 pick in this draft, Valentine, Lopez, Asik, Holiday (maybe the NO pick too, or a future 1st rounder?)

Yes that's a lot to give up, but we get one of the best players in the league in return. The Spurs for their trouble would demand a lot, and getting LM, the #6 pick, and Valentine would give them a soft reset while still being able to compete right away. Aldridge has been playing more of the 5 this year and slotting LM into the 4 next to him would be perfect going into the future. Lopez and Aldridge from their Portland days have shown they can be an effective frontcourt vs traditional opposing bigs. Certainly Lopez is an upgrade over Gasol in that regard. Valentine and his "do everything" playstyle seems like it would fit perfectly in with the Spurs. Beyond that, Holiday, Lopez, and Asik (combined with Danny Green and Rudy Gay on their end) are expiring contracts that take the place of their one bad contract in Gasol to give them loads of cap and roster flexibility going forward. It seems like a pretty good package for them to get for Leonard...

Trade #2:
Bulls get: Kemba Walker, Marvin Williams, Tyler Zeller, (maybe some 2nd round picks?)
Hornets get: Dunn, LaVine (sign and trade), Pau Gasol, Portis, (maybe the NO Pick)

We immediately turn around and move Gasol (from Spurs) along with our other young players for the premier PG available for trade. Kemba's value will be down because you only get him for 1 year guaranteed. Marvin Williams and Tyler Zeller are both average vets being paid above average money. Williams is respectable from 3pt land and can space the floor. Zeller is decent too, just not worth $14m/yr. But really they both make fine "vet roster fillers" to help push deeper into the playoffs. For their part, the Hornets get away from 2 bad contracts and get a large injection of youth to help their rebuild. They do have to take on 2 years of Gasol, but that offsets with the 3 years of Zeller we get back. Overall they are in a much better position here.

Move #3:
Sign Deandre Jordan or DeMarcus Cousins (preferably Jordan) for 4 years $100M.

That gives us this roster:
PG: Kemba / Payne / Grant
SG: Nwaba / Kilpatrick
SF: Kawhi / Zipster
PF: Williams / Zeller
C: Jordan / Felicio

Issues? That's ~$107.8m in contracts. The salary cap next year is projected at $108m. That bench is awful. But with those 2nd round picks we are getting we can either dump our backups on other teams and sign vet min ring chasers, or just draft players who hopefully are better and use them. Zip and Kilpatrick's contracts aren't guaranteed and they can be cut to gain $3.5m to use on someone else. Next season we would have to cut most of those bench players and stretch Felicio to resign Kemba, but the good news is that once Williams and Zeller begin falling off the books, we would be fine. Also we aren't giving up future assets to build this... only gutting the current team.

[DanTown8587]

Assuming 6+22

Trade Portis for Bayless, #26, #38 from Philly
Trade Bayless+22 for Faried+15
Trade Grant to Washington for Jason Smith (waived), two future seconds (2019, 2021)

Draft
6 - Mikal Bridges
15 - Kevin Knox
26 - Mo Wagner
38 - Shake Milton

Two-way
Justin Jackson - SF - Maryland
Derrick Walton - PG - Michigan (was with Miami)

Dunn / Payne / Archie
Bridges / Valentine / Milton
Holliday / Knox /
Lauri / Faried / Wagner
Lopez / Felicio / Asik

You're hopeful that in 2019 you have only around 40 million in committed salary but might have hit on something else (Bridges, Lauri, Knox) to the point you're an attractive FA destination for someone (or someones).

[xpmar9x]

I'm intrigued by the Clippers picks at 12 and 13. Would they take Portis and 22 for 13? They are thin at PF/C and don't seem to be in a rebuild. With 13 we would have a shot at Mikes Bridges, Zhaire Smith, Robinson or whoever else is moving up the charts. Do the Clips really want two rookies? Do they have a bad contract they want to shed?

I'm interested in this as well, IF we cant get Bobby to resign a fair extension this summer. No way in hell im paying him $10m+/yr, especially because he doesnt fit "our window". BP would be the Clips 2nd best big behind DeAndre instantly (if he picks up his PO).

Only bad contract I'd take back is 1y/$9.5m of Boban Marjanovic. Not touching Gallinaris 2y/$24.2m, although we could probably get him + a 1st w/o trading BP though

If you get JJJ or Bamba at 6 this is the exact type of trade you make moving Portis to move up. I think Clipps would take the deal because they want to be in the playoffs and not bottom out. Portis helps them right away.

I would only make that trade to 13 if Zhaire Smith is there though. Maybe for SGA too.

If any of Wendell Carter, Miles/Mikal Bridges, Colin Sexton, Lonnie Walker, Zhaire Smith, or SGA were available I'd do it, regardless who we took at 6.

[Ccwatercraft]

I can't see portland doing that, especially since you are throwing two garbage contracts in the package.

I believe asik to be guaranteed for only 3 milions. That's 11 millions of saving in the first year without including the tax. I can understand if they want more talent coming back but the saving is big.

3 million in his last year IIRC. Not next year, you can cut him early maybe, but he still gets paid.

[gmoney2]

Build a big 3?

1st off there is an assumption here that LaVine re-signs at 15-18m/yr. We use him as a sign and trade in this scenario. Also we re-sign Nwaba for 3-4years at $15-20m

Trade #1:
Bulls get: Kawhi Leonard, Pau Gasol, (a couple of 2nd round picks)
Spurs get: Markkanen, #6 pick in this draft, Valentine, Lopez, Asik, Holiday (maybe the NO pick too, or a future 1st rounder?)

Yes that's a lot to give up, but we get one of the best players in the league in return. The Spurs for their trouble would demand a lot, and getting LM, the #6 pick, and Valentine would give them a soft reset while still being able to compete right away. Aldridge has been playing more of the 5 this year and slotting LM into the 4 next to him would be perfect going into the future. Lopez and Aldridge from their Portland days have shown they can be an effective frontcourt vs traditional opposing bigs. Certainly Lopez is an upgrade over Gasol in that regard. Valentine and his "do everything" playstyle seems like it would fit perfectly in with the Spurs. Beyond that, Holiday, Lopez, and Asik (combined with Danny Green and Rudy Gay on their end) are expiring contracts that take the place of their one bad contract in Gasol to give them loads of cap and roster flexibility going forward. It seems like a pretty good package for them to get for Leonard...

Trade #2:
Bulls get: Kemba Walker, Marvin Williams, Tyler Zeller, (maybe some 2nd round picks?)
Hornets get: Dunn, LaVine (sign and trade), Pau Gasol, Portis, (maybe the NO Pick)

We immediately turn around and move Gasol (from Spurs) along with our other young players for the premier PG available for trade. Kemba's value will be down because you only get him for 1 year guaranteed. Marvin Williams and Tyler Zeller are both average vets being paid above average money. Williams is respectable from 3pt land and can space the floor. Zeller is decent too, just not worth $14m/yr. But really they both make fine "vet roster fillers" to help push deeper into the playoffs. For their part, the Hornets get away from 2 bad contracts and get a large injection of youth to help their rebuild. They do have to take on 2 years of Gasol, but that offsets with the 3 years of Zeller we get back. Overall they are in a much better position here.

Move #3:
Sign Deandre Jordan or DeMarcus Cousins (preferably Jordan) for 4 years $100M.

That gives us this roster:
PG: Kemba / Payne / Grant
SG: Nwaba / Kilpatrick
SF: Kawhi / Zipster
PF: Williams / Zeller
C: Jordan / Felicio

Issues? That's ~$107.8m in contracts. The salary cap next year is projected at $108m. That bench is awful. But with those 2nd round picks we are getting we can either dump our backups on other teams and sign vet min ring chasers, or just draft players who hopefully are better and use them. Zip and Kilpatrick's contracts aren't guaranteed and they can be cut to gain $3.5m to use on someone else. Next season we would have to cut most of those bench players and stretch Felicio to resign Kemba, but the good news is that once Williams and Zeller begin falling off the books, we would be fine. Also we aren't giving up future assets to build this... only gutting the current team.

The problem with getting stars like Kawhi (26) and Kemba (27) is that they are too close in age to Durant (29), Klay Thompson (28) and Curry (30) IMHO. I just don't think your team as constructed could compete with GS' big 3. Its almost like trying to build a team when MJ, Pippen and Grant/Rodman were rolling in the 90's; you're almost better off waiting out the storm and then building a team that could compete after Golden State starts declining in 3-4 years. I think Pax saw the writing on the wall and did not want to build around Butler (28) as he saw that any Butler-led Bulls team was unlikely to compete with GS, Houston or even Boston since Butler was too good to allow us to properly tank and obtain assets like the Wolves have. In 3 to 4 years, Levine and Dunn will be in their Prime at 26-27 and Markannen will be 23-24. Frankly, I think we're better off overpaying for a FA like Exum who fits that mold and has the potential to be a star under the right circumstances. I think the model to follow is Boston--keep accumulating young talent and have them grow together.

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I'm interested in this as well, IF we cant get Bobby to resign a fair extension this summer. No way in hell im paying him $10m+/yr, especially because he doesnt fit "our window". BP would be the Clips 2nd best big behind DeAndre instantly (if he picks up his PO).

Only bad contract I'd take back is 1y/$9.5m of Boban Marjanovic. Not touching Gallinaris 2y/$24.2m, although we could probably get him + a 1st w/o trading BP though

If you get JJJ or Bamba at 6 this is the exact type of trade you make moving Portis to move up. I think Clipps would take the deal because they want to be in the playoffs and not bottom out. Portis helps them right away.

I would only make that trade to 13 if Zhaire Smith is there though. Maybe for SGA too.

If any of Wendell Carter, Miles/Mikal Bridges, Colin Sexton, Lonnie Walker, Zhaire Smith, or SGA were available I'd do it, regardless who we took at 6.

At #13, one of that group is certain to be there.

[StunnerKO]

I wanna go after Noel if we can get him on a one year or 2 year team option deal. Really the type of players we should look at that given our current situation. If he shows well and can stay healthy that’s a big coo for a young center who would be perfect next to Lauri. If not then no real risk we ditch his contract after the season

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Yea we would have like 4 centers but again like I said as of now if he came Noel def has the upside out of the bunch. Hopefully he’s humbled after not taking the contract from Dallas but apart of me feels he didn’t wanna be there anyway .

[PrimzyBulls81]

Noel and Jabbari Parker are two youngsters we could target,if we dont get players thru draft to cover some spots..

[xpmar9x]

Batum & #11 for Asik, Felicio, Zipser & #22.

We take on arguably the worst contract in the NBA, unload our trash, but land another lotto pick. Imagine 6 (Bamba/MPJ) + 11 (Carter/Sexton/Bridges/SGA).

[terry]

Read the Pelicans may try to sign Cousins on a short term deal.

What if the Bulls were the sign DeMarcus Cousins? How would everyone feel about that?

We have the money to do it.

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Yuck.

[gardenofsound]

Read the Pelicans may try to sign Cousins on a short term deal.

What if the Bulls were the sign DeMarcus Cousins? How would everyone feel about that?

We have the money to do it.

Not great. That's a bad injury.

[DanTown8587]

Batum & #11 for Asik, Felicio, Zipser & #22.

We take on arguably the worst contract in the NBA, unload our trash, but land another lotto pick. Imagine 6 (Bamba/MPJ) + 11 (Carter/Sexton/Bridges/SGA).

No reason for Charlotte to dump Batum and still take back a toxic amount of money (35 million) while trading out of the lotto. So they get worse and get only a little payroll flexibility that doesn't help them considering their roster and other contracts?

[bearadonisdna]

Would anybody body be opposed to:

Out-
6th pick
Bobby
22nd pick

In-
3rd pick

And would another team do this? Dallas is 3rd right now. I dont think they are in LOVE with number 3 with MPJs injury a concern.
Its not a trade im totally in love with. It makes you think of the semantics of drafting Bagley. In the end i guess im kinda forcing a square peg into a round hole forcing 6’11 Bags to play center. At 19 may even grow another inch.

He may struggle at center like Bosh did in Miami but in chicago bags would have frontline help via Lauri not a Haslem type.
These giants will eventually transition to only playing center anyways as their mobility decreases.

[xpmar9x]

Batum & #11 for Asik, Felicio, Zipser & #22.

We take on arguably the worst contract in the NBA, unload our trash, but land another lotto pick. Imagine 6 (Bamba/MPJ) + 11 (Carter/Sexton/Bridges/SGA).

No reason for Charlotte to dump Batum and still take back a toxic amount of money (35 million) while trading out of the lotto. So they get worse and get only a little payroll flexibility that doesn't help them considering their roster and other contracts?

Batum: 24/25.6/27.1
Asik: 11.3/ 3m g'd nxt yr
Felicio: 8.5/8.2/7.5
Zip: likely waived

Saving maybe $4m next year, but a ton year 2 and 3. Maybe flip it to Batum/11 for Felicio/Holiday/Grant/22. They save a bit more money, but at least add guard depth too.