ECSF: P1 | (2) Boston Celtics vs Philadelphia 76ers (3) | BOS 1-0

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Series Prediction

Celtics in 4
10
3%
Celtics in 5
14
4%
Celtics in 6
35
11%
Celtics in 7
70
22%
76ers in 4
17
5%
76ers in 5
54
17%
76ers in 6
108
33%
76ers in 7
17
5%
 
Total votes: 325

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Re: ECSF: P1 | (3) Philadelphia 76ers vs Winner of BOS/MIL | TIED 0-0 

Post#441 » by ric munchn » Fri Apr 27, 2018 9:51 pm

hookshot199 wrote:
ric munchn wrote:
hookshot199 wrote:
You said (1) "This is exactly the reason why a lot of people hate philly. You have two unbelievable young players. They both act like they are magic and Kareem though despite just recently winning their only playoff series and routinely blowing giant leads all year. More likely next year we beat you if you make it to us and you say wait til embiid comes back.

2) Next: "Boston if healthy will compete for a title next year. Probably lose but they will compete. Philly will be right in the mix as well if healthy."

3) And then: "If you wanna say embiid and Simmons are better than kyrie and Hayward(which remains to be seen) it’s not by that margin and the rest is clearly better for the Celtics."

As has been pointed out, no one has ever compared Embiid to Kareem. Olajuywon, if he stays healthy, yes. People on the C's board think Tatum has potential to be a future Pierce. He's an excellent prospect, but do keep in mind that Pierce is/will be a Hall of Famer.

Second, I think my question about a team structural problem is fair. I assume key players will be healthy. How can you get a center when you're at or near the cap. You don't have a Brooklyn caliber pick to trade unless you get lucky with this year's LA pick. Half a dozen teams over the past 25 years have beaten the 2.9% odds.

Third, you've taken Kyrie and Hayward off the table. I presume you've taken Embiid and Simmons off the table as well. Who is the "rest that is clearly better for the Celtics"?

Horford is under contract. So is Saric. Smart is not. Covington and Anderson are under contract. So are Rozier, Morris and Brown. Tatum and Fultz are under contract. Theis is under contract. Baines is not.

While Redick, Ilyasova, Belenelli and/or Amir Johnson are not under contract, the Sixers have $30-$35 million of cap space for two or three $10-$15 mil players. In other words, they could probably bring back Ilyasova, Belenelli and Amir Johnson and still be under the cap. Redick is more problematic.

You posted that "the rest is clearly better for the Celtics" on the general board. I'm responding.


BTW: I think a Horford-Saric comparison is more germane when comparing our teams this year and next.



You are freakin insane if you think philly beats Boston if Simmons and embiid went down today and we start the next round. That’s why they are clearly better.I like the team but despite a bunch of decent/good players they are not very good without those two. it doesn’t really matter because those two are there and they are great. I’m not saying people compare embiid to Kareem I’m saying those two act like they are the greatest players ever. It’s fine they are young and talented and full of confidence but you can’t say that doesn’t rub people the wrong way.
Saric better be most improved player next year and Al must fall off a cliff If you think they’ve are comparable. That’s outrageous. Saric is a decent young player. Al is an allstar and all around very good player. He is almost averaging 20/10 in the playoffs, plays good D and moves the ball extremely well. Good day sir



Listen, sonny. I don't know what your problem is. But when somebody gives you a compliment and you call him insane, perhaps you should see your doctor about upping your meds. Al Horford has always been a very good player and marginal all star. He's made the all star team four or five times, but never started. He's a really good player. He makes players around him play better. He's unselfish. He's a good passer. He's a glue guy. He's also not worth $30 million. I said that if Saric, who shouldn't be compared with Hayward because they play different positions, can put together numbers like Horford over a 10-year period, he will be special. His raw stats this year aren't so far behind Horford's. He's still not there. Okay? Kapeesh?


Sticks and stones. I answered your direct question. The rest of the Celtics are much better today right now it’s now an arguable point. I said good day
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Re: ECSF: P1 | (3) Philadelphia 76ers vs Winner of BOS/MIL | TIED 0-0 

Post#442 » by eyeatoma » Fri Apr 27, 2018 10:43 pm

ric munchn wrote:
rzzzzz wrote:
ric munchn wrote: It’s fine they are young and talented and full of confidence but you can’t say that doesn’t rub people the wrong way.


not LeBron and DWade, obviously. THEY rubbed some people the wrong way too. i'm sure that keeps them up at night.


I’m not quite sure what you are saying. Why should the players care? It’s just something that makes fans not like them(except their fans of course)


If entitled Boston fans, and process haters don't like Simmons and Embiid that's fine by me... The greats exude confidence, there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. That's what you want to see in your players... The best players in the world are cocky aszholes... It's a common phenomenon....

LeBron James - Narcissist/Media Darling/Killer on Court
MJ/Kobe - Aszholes with Killer Instinct
Shaq/Embiid - Fun loving, and boastful off court, killers on court
Simmons - Narcissist, Cool, Calm, Collected... Composed and very confident on court with evident killer instinct
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Re: ECSF: P1 | (3) Philadelphia 76ers vs Winner of BOS/MIL | TIED 0-0 

Post#443 » by ric munchn » Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:33 pm

eyeatoma wrote:
ric munchn wrote:
rzzzzz wrote:
not LeBron and DWade, obviously. THEY rubbed some people the wrong way too. i'm sure that keeps them up at night.


I’m not quite sure what you are saying. Why should the players care? It’s just something that makes fans not like them(except their fans of course)


If entitled Boston fans, and process haters don't like Simmons and Embiid that's fine by me... The greats exude confidence, there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. That's what you want to see in your players... The best players in the world are cocky aszholes... It's a common phenomenon....

LeBron James - Narcissist/Media Darling/Killer on Court
MJ/Kobe - Aszholes with Killer Instinct
Shaq/Embiid - Fun loving, and boastful off court, killers on court
Simmons - Narcissist, Cool, Calm, Collected... Composed and very confident on court with evident killer instinct


I never said I didn’t like them. If knuckledragging Neanderthal philly fans can’t understand that it’s fine

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Re: ECSF: P1 | (3) Philadelphia 76ers vs Winner of BOS/MIL | TIED 0-0 

Post#444 » by kuclas » Sat Apr 28, 2018 12:12 am

Regardless of who the sixers play. The analysts are quickly realizing and even admitting sixers lack of playoff experience will not play a big factor anymore.

It will come down to execution of plays between the teams. Frankly. The sixers didn’t shoot that well in 3 out of the 5 games and still won.

I think Boston will be a harder series for sixers. Embiid finally figured out the Brad Stevens double team by the 4th game this season. It’s a chess match.

Milwaukee simply isn’t a cohesive team. They don’t shoot the 3 pointers well all season. And don’t have good interior defense.

I see sixers in 6 over gritty Boston team. I see sixers in 5 over Milwaukee team.
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Re: ECSF: P1 | (3) Philadelphia 76ers vs Winner of BOS/MIL | TIED 0-0 

Post#445 » by sfernald » Sat Apr 28, 2018 7:28 am

kuclas wrote:Regardless of who the sixers play. The analysts are quickly realizing and even admitting sixers lack of playoff experience will not play a big factor anymore.

It will come down to execution of plays between the teams. Frankly. The sixers didn’t shoot that well in 3 out of the 5 games and still won.

I think Boston will be a harder series for sixers. Embiid finally figured out the Brad Stevens double team by the 4th game this season. It’s a chess match.

Milwaukee simply isn’t a cohesive team. They don’t shoot the 3 pointers well all season. And don’t have good interior defense.

I see sixers in 6 over gritty Boston team. I see sixers in 5 over Milwaukee team.


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Post#446 » by phifans » Sat Apr 28, 2018 7:56 am

Philly would better beat Celtics(if they win out of the first round of course) in no more than 6 games then I would be pretty confident we will take advantage in our matchups against C for next decade considering we still has a max cap room to improve this offseason.
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Post#447 » by Darren » Sat Apr 28, 2018 11:31 am

Looks like we'll see Giannis vs Simmons. Boston lacks the talents to stick with Milwaukee. It's up to them to lose it, though. While they struggle from the arc, defenders close the driving lane. When they hit shots from outside, they look like legitimate playoff team. Philly has a better bench squad. I expect a easy series for them against either team.
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Re: ECSF: P1 | (3) Philadelphia 76ers vs Winner of BOS/MIL | TIED 0-0 

Post#448 » by TTP » Sat Apr 28, 2018 11:46 am

ken6199 wrote:Quick question Philly fans: has Kevin Hart always been sitting at the court side during those tanking years?


No. Kevin Hart sucks. He's just an attention whore that tries to put himself in the middle of things anytime he gets the opportunity. He went to a few games last year once we started gaining popularity.

M. Night Shyamalan and Meek Mill/Nicki Minaj were at games during the tanking years. I'm sure there's some others I'm forgetting.
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Re: ECSF: P1 | (3) Philadelphia 76ers vs Winner of BOS/MIL | TIED 0-0 

Post#449 » by TTP » Sat Apr 28, 2018 11:49 am

theFireBlanket wrote:
LloydFree wrote:1. Giannis
2. Embiid
3. Simmons
4. Middleton
5. Jabari
6. Dario
7. Robert Cov.
8. Delly
9. Ersan
10. Thon

Edited to reflect players in upcoming ECSF matchup.


RPM God Covington should be in the 4/5 range of the list in some order next to Middleton. He's far more impactful for us than Saric. Saric has been great and carries a larger offensive role, but Covington still provides spacing on that end while being a huge part of our defense. We're almost 15 points better with Covington on the floor this year. He's also less replaceable than Saric because Ilyasova can do a lot of what Saric does should he get injured.
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Post#450 » by Triple M » Sat Apr 28, 2018 12:00 pm

game 1 of this series is probably Monday
game 2 would be Wednesday if the Bucks win and Thursday if Boston wins

game 3 would probably be Friday in Milwaukee or Sunday in Philly
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Post#451 » by hookshot199 » Sat Apr 28, 2018 12:29 pm

phifans wrote:Philly would better beat Celtics(if they win out of the first round of course) in no more than 6 games then I would be pretty confident we will take advantage in our matchups against C for next decade considering we still has a max cap room to improve this offseason.


The C's are shorthanded, so win or lose it won't be a real test assuming the C's beat Milwaukee. But for the Bucks to win, they're going to have to do a better job protecting the ball better.

To your point about improving in the offseason: I don't see how the Cavs can improve their roster, thus LeBron will probably go shopping. We have cap space if we choose not to re-sign Redick and Johnson. The officials gave the Cavs Game 5, so the outcome of the Pacers series, if the Cavs win tomorrow, is tainted. LeBron surely knows that.

Secondly, I wouldn't expect Ainge to sit still if our size prove to be a problem. Kyrie, in particular, is a big-game player while Hayward is probably still better than either Tatum or Brown. Of course their absence hurts the C's chances. On the other hand, they don't solve the front court problem. I don't know what sort of move Ainge could make given that C's payroll is already locked in at around $100 mil, but he's walked on water before. I would never count him out.

Lastly, I will be watching with pins and needles the lottery. If the C's beat the odds and win the second or third pick (a 2.9% chance), they'll have a shot at Ayton, Bagley or Jackson. That could change everything for them in the future. And while it is unlikely and extremely rare, it has happened in the past. The Hornets picked Baron Davis at three in 1999, jumping from 13. The Clippers picked Tyson Chandler at 2 in 2001, jumping from 8. And then of course there have been three or four one picks that have completely defied the odds, one of which was Kyrie in 2011.

If we do keep the 10 pick, we can add a future glue player like Mikal Bridges. This year's draft could make our team stronger with or without LeBron.
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Post#452 » by LloydFree » Sat Apr 28, 2018 12:29 pm

theFireBlanket wrote:
fireblanket wrote:1. Giannis
2. Embiid
3. Simmons
4. Middleton
5. Jabari
6. Dario
7. Robert Cov.
8. Delly
9. Ersan
10. Thon

Edited to reflect players in upcoming ECSF matchup.

Yeah. I had to edit this nonsense and put your name on it. Covington is either 4 or 5, in a series with the Bucks, and the #6 player isn't really close. I'll just assume the inclusion of Delly is just for comic effect.
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Post#453 » by voodooguru » Sat Apr 28, 2018 1:10 pm

LloydFree wrote:
theFireBlanket wrote:
fireblanket wrote:1. Giannis
2. Embiid
3. Simmons
4. Middleton
5. Jabari
6. Dario
7. Robert Cov.
8. Delly
9. Ersan
10. Thon

Edited to reflect players in upcoming ECSF matchup.

I'll just assume the inclusion of Delly is just for comic effect.

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Post#454 » by voodooguru » Sat Apr 28, 2018 1:14 pm

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Post#455 » by theFireBlanket » Sat Apr 28, 2018 3:06 pm

LloydFree wrote:
theFireBlanket wrote:
fireblanket wrote:1. Giannis
2. Embiid
3. Simmons
4. Middleton
5. Jabari
6. Dario
7. Robert Cov.
8. Delly
9. Ersan
10. Thon

Edited to reflect players in upcoming ECSF matchup.

Yeah. I had to edit this nonsense and put your name on it. Covington is either 4 or 5, in a series with the Bucks, and the #6 player isn't really close. I'll just assume the inclusion of Delly is just for comic effect.



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Post#456 » by knuckles862 » Sat Apr 28, 2018 3:17 pm

I don’t see the bucks having a chance tbh the Celtics on the other hand will play hard like the heat except they are much more talented than the heat
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Post#457 » by will » Sat Apr 28, 2018 10:18 pm

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Post#458 » by blind prophet » Sun Apr 29, 2018 12:23 am

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Post#459 » by TMU » Sun Apr 29, 2018 12:59 am

Doesn't matter if Bucks or Celtics, Sixers in no more than 5 (maybe 6 if against Celtics). Just too much talent and well-rounded roster.
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Post#460 » by kuclas » Sun Apr 29, 2018 1:10 am

hookshot199 wrote:
phifans wrote:Philly would better beat Celtics(if they win out of the first round of course) in no more than 6 games then I would be pretty confident we will take advantage in our matchups against C for next decade considering we still has a max cap room to improve this offseason.


The C's are shorthanded, so win or lose it won't be a real test assuming the C's beat Milwaukee. But for the Bucks to win, they're going to have to do a better job protecting the ball better.

To your point about improving in the offseason: I don't see how the Cavs can improve their roster, thus LeBron will probably go shopping. We have cap space if we choose not to re-sign Redick and Johnson. The officials gave the Cavs Game 5, so the outcome of the Pacers series, if the Cavs win tomorrow, is tainted. LeBron surely knows that.

Secondly, I wouldn't expect Ainge to sit still if our size prove to be a problem. Kyrie, in particular, is a big-game player while Hayward is probably still better than either Tatum or Brown. Of course their absence hurts the C's chances. On the other hand, they don't solve the front court problem. I don't know what sort of move Ainge could make given that C's payroll is already locked in at around $100 mil, but he's walked on water before. I would never count him out.

Lastly, I will be watching with pins and needles the lottery. If the C's beat the odds and win the second or third pick (a 2.9% chance), they'll have a shot at Ayton, Bagley or Jackson. That could change everything for them in the future. And while it is unlikely and extremely rare, it has happened in the past. The Hornets picked Baron Davis at three in 1999, jumping from 13. The Clippers picked Tyson Chandler at 2 in 2001, jumping from 8. And then of course there have been three or four one picks that have completely defied the odds, one of which was Kyrie in 2011.

If we do keep the 10 pick, we can add a future glue player like Mikal Bridges. This year's draft could make our team stronger with or without LeBron.


I don’t think refs gave game 5 to cavaliers. They blew two calls in the final 25 seconds of the game. Cavs should have had the ball back with 28 seconds and 14 seconds on the shot clock rather than Indiana due to not reviewing the ball out of bounds on Indiana

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