'17-'18 POY discussion

[pelifan]

Nice Rondo.

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When Zaza and Draymond do stuff like this its cool though

No, it's not cool when anyone does it, and I've wanted Zaza off this team because of that for a while now, so maybe you have the wrong guy, guy.

For real though call me when he actually injures somebody. I wouldn't put it past Rondo to intentionally injure somebody but this is hardly proof.

[pelifan]

Rajon Rondo with the most Rondo game in the history of Rondo.

No kidding haha. 2/11 shooting, 21 assists, 10 rebounds, 0 FTA, +23.

I’ve been probably the biggest Rondo hater on this board the last few years, but he’s been unbelievable these playoffs. He’s got such clear, glaring flaws, but at the same time his strengths are so strong that when he’s engaged and has the motor running he is able to overcome them.

I have been hating on Rondo for years and then he joined my team and now he might be my favorite player in the league.

When you go from years of watching guys like Tyreke Evans play point guard for your team you starting appreciating basketball IQ so much. Having high IQ players is so underrated.

Now if we could only get some length on the perimeter.

The fast pace game really suits Rondo's abilities. I've been a big doubter of his ability to lead an elite offense, but it turns out Rondo will dribble the ball far less on a team that emphasizes ball movement and pace.

Every now and then he'll make a defensive play or drive to the basket and I'll think to myself where has that been in the regular season the past 3 years.

[clyde21]

When Zaza and Draymond do stuff like this its cool though

No, it's not cool when anyone does it, and I've wanted Zaza off this team because of that for a while now, so maybe you have the wrong guy, guy.

For real though call me when he actually injures somebody. I wouldn't put it past Rondo to intentionally injure somebody but this is hardly proof.

What? Video footage of him trying to injure Steph by stepping under his ankles from behind isn't proof? Does he need to actually injure him next time before you believe it?

[pelifan]

No, it's not cool when anyone does it, and I've wanted Zaza off this team because of that for a while now, so maybe you have the wrong guy, guy.

For real though call me when he actually injures somebody. I wouldn't put it past Rondo to intentionally injure somebody but this is hardly proof.

What? Video footage of him trying to injure Steph by stepping under his ankles from behind isn't proof? Does he need to actually injure him next time before you believe it?

He's not even looking down, I hardly see this as conclusive evidence that that is what he's trying to do. Not saying he isn't, just based on the timing it looks to me like he's trying to kick currys legs on the way up to mess up the shot, not trying to put his feet under on the way down as he's pulling his feet away on the way down. He also doesn't have a pattern of this kind of behavior that I'm aware of.

Yea I paused it at the time Currylanded and Rondos leg is pulled back with his knee in front of his foot. kind of grainy and hard to see what happens, Currys ankle definitely does something weird but I'm not sure he touched Rondo at all. He also is more invading Rondos space on the landing as Curr rotates his body sideways on shots than vice versa. I highly doubt Rondo was trying to mess up his landing, maybe the takeoff with that kick, but 100% he had pulled his leg back by the landing .

[Dupp]

The annual Lebron thread *

[GSP]

I'll be a huge homer and say I think Giannis deserves a little bit more love for averaging 26/10/6 on 62% TS against this Celtics defense + Stevens, and taking them to 7.

Khris was amazing that series too. Felt like hed make every **** shot

[ShotCreator]

This year: Horford or Green?

This year’s Horford or 2016 Green?

The guy who almost single-handedly denied LeBron in a Finals game 7.

[GSP]

This year: Horford or Green?

This year’s Horford or 2016 Green?

The guy who almost single-handedly denied LeBron in a Finals game 7.

That was an outlier performance great as Draymond was

he got his **** pushed in by Kd all series Vs Okc

[GSP]

Stevens is so far ahead of the pack in terms of coaching it's a joke

Hes the Goat coach. Dont think its close at this point. Pop was amazing but hes never been this good specially ingame

[Ballerhogger]

Still got Lebron , harden and AD shout outs to Tatum

[pelifan]

Stevens is so far ahead of the pack in terms of coaching it's a joke

Hes the Goat coach. Dont think its close at this point. Pop was amazing but hes never been this good specially ingame

2014 disagrees.
Stevens has to win at least 1 championship before even being crowned the best coach today.

Pop has reached Lebron status as a coach where we just ignore his accomplishments every season because we've raved about him so much but he's been better in the past. The Celtics even without Kyrie have more talent than the Spurs without Kawhi. Their second best player after LMA is Danny Green, a 40 year old Ginobili? Last year they might have beaten the Warriors if not for Zaza. I'm not convinced that the Spurs in the East wouldn't also beat the Bucks and 6ers. I'm not even including the fact that the Spurs probably had more off court distractions this year than any team in the league. What he's done with that team is incredible.

[Dr Spaceman]

Stevens is so far ahead of the pack in terms of coaching it's a joke

Hes the Goat coach. Dont think its close at this point. Pop was amazing but hes never been this good specially ingame

2014 disagrees.
Stevens has to win at least 1 championship before even being crowned the best coach today.

Pop has reached Lebron status as a coach where we just ignore his accomplishments every season because we've raved about him so much but he's been better in the past. The Celtics even without Kyrie have more talent than the Spurs without Kawhi. Their second best player after LMA is Danny Green, a 40 year old Ginobili? Last year they might have beaten the Warriors if not for Zaza. I'm not convinced that the Spurs in the East wouldn't also beat the Bucks and 6ers. I'm not even including the fact that the Spurs probably had more off court distractions this year than any team in the league. What he's done with that team is incredible.

I’m all for praising Pop and from an overall cultural/organizational standpoint there’s no one I’d rather have running my team.

That said at this point Stevens may be the better guy in a playoff series. Pop can be ruthlessly stubborn about certain things. He still doesn’t fully grok the value of shooting and too often plays lineups with none of it (lineups which don’t stand a chance). He shoots himself in the foot fairly often and can tend to overthink the game (like fouling 65% free throw shooters in 2015 against LAC).

I’m with you that I don’t think we should crown Stevens too early. But I do think at this point he’s a bit better at pointing his team toward success over the course of a playoff series with multiple adjustments and counter-adjustments.

[Dr Spaceman]

Wow, people still believe in HOU. Interesting.

Why the hell wouldn’t we? They’re 6-2 so far this postseason with an average margin of victory of +9. Golden State against worse competition overall is also 6-2 with a +6.5 MOV.

Houston is an unconventional team but they are easily the best team in the postseason so far across both rounds. They’re kicking ass.

[pelifan]

Hes the Goat coach. Dont think its close at this point. Pop was amazing but hes never been this good specially ingame

2014 disagrees.
Stevens has to win at least 1 championship before even being crowned the best coach today.

Pop has reached Lebron status as a coach where we just ignore his accomplishments every season because we've raved about him so much but he's been better in the past. The Celtics even without Kyrie have more talent than the Spurs without Kawhi. Their second best player after LMA is Danny Green, a 40 year old Ginobili? Last year they might have beaten the Warriors if not for Zaza. I'm not convinced that the Spurs in the East wouldn't also beat the Bucks and 6ers. I'm not even including the fact that the Spurs probably had more off court distractions this year than any team in the league. What he's done with that team is incredible.

I’m all for praising Pop and from an overall cultural/organizational standpoint there’s no one I’d rather have running my team.

That said at this point Stevens may be the better guy in a playoff series. Pop can be ruthlessly stubborn about certain things. He still doesn’t fully grok the value of shooting and too often plays lineups with none of it (lineups which don’t stand a chance). He shoots himself in the foot fairly often and can tend to overthink the game (like fouling 65% free throw shooters in 2015 against LAC).

I’m with you that I don’t think we should crown Stevens too early. But I do think at this point he’s a bit better at pointing his team toward success over the course of a playoff series with multiple adjustments and counter-adjustments.

Can't separate the two. A coach's job is mostly done by the time the playoffs roll around. Getting players to buy in, gel, develop and getting them to execute a system properly has more impact on a ceiling of a team than making adjustments in playoffs. Making playoff adjustments is one of the most overrated parts of basketball. Give me the same team and I still believe Pop gets them further in the postseason than Stevens. Stevens may make good ingame adjustments but Pop will tailor his system to the players and get the most out of them. Stevens is no slouch in this department either, but not as good as Pop who has basically run every type of offense and defense since he's been coaching. Stevens schemes still look a lot like what he ran at Butler especially defensively. Although I think some of his offensive sets are beautiful and just seem to keep getting better.

[dhsilv2]

2014 disagrees.
Stevens has to win at least 1 championship before even being crowned the best coach today.

Pop has reached Lebron status as a coach where we just ignore his accomplishments every season because we've raved about him so much but he's been better in the past. The Celtics even without Kyrie have more talent than the Spurs without Kawhi. Their second best player after LMA is Danny Green, a 40 year old Ginobili? Last year they might have beaten the Warriors if not for Zaza. I'm not convinced that the Spurs in the East wouldn't also beat the Bucks and 6ers. I'm not even including the fact that the Spurs probably had more off court distractions this year than any team in the league. What he's done with that team is incredible.

I’m all for praising Pop and from an overall cultural/organizational standpoint there’s no one I’d rather have running my team.

That said at this point Stevens may be the better guy in a playoff series. Pop can be ruthlessly stubborn about certain things. He still doesn’t fully grok the value of shooting and too often plays lineups with none of it (lineups which don’t stand a chance). He shoots himself in the foot fairly often and can tend to overthink the game (like fouling 65% free throw shooters in 2015 against LAC).

I’m with you that I don’t think we should crown Stevens too early. But I do think at this point he’s a bit better at pointing his team toward success over the course of a playoff series with multiple adjustments and counter-adjustments.

Can't separate the two. A coach's job is mostly done by the time the playoffs roll around. Getting players to buy in, gel, develop and getting them to execute a system properly has more impact on a ceiling of a team than making adjustments in playoffs. Making playoff adjustments is one of the most overrated parts of basketball. Give me the same team and I still believe Pop gets them further in the postseason than Stevens. Stevens may make good ingame adjustments but Pop will tailor his system to the players and get the most out of them. Stevens is no slouch in this department either, but not as good as Pop who has basically run every type of offense and defense since he's been coaching. Stevens schemes still look a lot like what he ran at Butler especially defensively. Although I think some of his offensive sets are beautiful and just seem to keep getting better.

Pop is a lot more than the coach though. I'm pretty sure he's never been "just" the coach of the spurs.

But in terms of in game x's and o's, he's been out coached more than a few times the last few years in the playoffs.

[GSP]

2014 disagrees.
Stevens has to win at least 1 championship before even being crowned the best coach today.

Pop has reached Lebron status as a coach where we just ignore his accomplishments every season because we've raved about him so much but he's been better in the past. The Celtics even without Kyrie have more talent than the Spurs without Kawhi. Their second best player after LMA is Danny Green, a 40 year old Ginobili? Last year they might have beaten the Warriors if not for Zaza. I'm not convinced that the Spurs in the East wouldn't also beat the Bucks and 6ers. I'm not even including the fact that the Spurs probably had more off court distractions this year than any team in the league. What he's done with that team is incredible.

I’m all for praising Pop and from an overall cultural/organizational standpoint there’s no one I’d rather have running my team.

That said at this point Stevens may be the better guy in a playoff series. Pop can be ruthlessly stubborn about certain things. He still doesn’t fully grok the value of shooting and too often plays lineups with none of it (lineups which don’t stand a chance). He shoots himself in the foot fairly often and can tend to overthink the game (like fouling 65% free throw shooters in 2015 against LAC).

I’m with you that I don’t think we should crown Stevens too early. But I do think at this point he’s a bit better at pointing his team toward success over the course of a playoff series with multiple adjustments and counter-adjustments.

Can't separate the two. A coach's job is mostly done by the time the playoffs roll around. Getting players to buy in, gel, develop and getting them to execute a system properly has more impact on a ceiling of a team than making adjustments in playoffs. Making playoff adjustments is one of the most overrated parts of basketball. Give me the same team and I still believe Pop gets them further in the postseason than Stevens. Stevens may make good ingame adjustments but Pop will tailor his system to the players and get the most out of them. Stevens is no slouch in this department either, but not as good as Pop who has basically run every type of offense and defense since he's been coaching. Stevens schemes still look a lot like what he ran at Butler especially defensively. Although I think some of his offensive sets are beautiful and just seem to keep getting better.

You can certainly separate the two

i dont see how u can say playoff adjustments are overrated when Brett has yet to adjust to Simmons being guarded by a sagged off Horford or Marcus for the whole series.

Sixers were leading by 4 with a minute left and Brads after timeout plays literally won the game in Ot. How often do u see a coach call a timeout as ardently as Brad did seeing Marcus postup about to brick a shot? Then make that play after timeout. You saying Brads schemes look alot like what he ran at Butler arent relevant specially considering Pop himself said he still watches old Butler film to steal Stevens plays. Great plays are great plays

[Dr Spaceman]

I’m all for praising Pop and from an overall cultural/organizational standpoint there’s no one I’d rather have running my team.

That said at this point Stevens may be the better guy in a playoff series. Pop can be ruthlessly stubborn about certain things. He still doesn’t fully grok the value of shooting and too often plays lineups with none of it (lineups which don’t stand a chance). He shoots himself in the foot fairly often and can tend to overthink the game (like fouling 65% free throw shooters in 2015 against LAC).

I’m with you that I don’t think we should crown Stevens too early. But I do think at this point he’s a bit better at pointing his team toward success over the course of a playoff series with multiple adjustments and counter-adjustments.

Can't separate the two. A coach's job is mostly done by the time the playoffs roll around. Getting players to buy in, gel, develop and getting them to execute a system properly has more impact on a ceiling of a team than making adjustments in playoffs. Making playoff adjustments is one of the most overrated parts of basketball. Give me the same team and I still believe Pop gets them further in the postseason than Stevens. Stevens may make good ingame adjustments but Pop will tailor his system to the players and get the most out of them. Stevens is no slouch in this department either, but not as good as Pop who has basically run every type of offense and defense since he's been coaching. Stevens schemes still look a lot like what he ran at Butler especially defensively. Although I think some of his offensive sets are beautiful and just seem to keep getting better.

You can certainly separate the two

i dont see how u can say playoff adjustments are overrated when Brett has yet to adjust to Simmons being guarded by a sagged off Horford or Marcus for the whole series.

Sixers were leading by 4 with a minute left and Brads after timeout plays literally won the game in Ot. How often do u see a coach call a timeout as ardently as Brad did seeing Marcus postup about to brick a shot? Then make that play after timeout. You saying Brads schemes look alot like what he ran at Butler arent relevant specially considering Pop himself said he still watches old Butler film to steal Stevens plays. Great plays are great plays

Yeah pelifan I really can’t agree with your take here. Stevens’ playoff adjustment is literally the reason why Boston is about to easily dispatch a team that many of us though was on the way to the Finals.

[MyUniBroDavis]

2014 disagrees.
Stevens has to win at least 1 championship before even being crowned the best coach today.

Pop has reached Lebron status as a coach where we just ignore his accomplishments every season because we've raved about him so much but he's been better in the past. The Celtics even without Kyrie have more talent than the Spurs without Kawhi. Their second best player after LMA is Danny Green, a 40 year old Ginobili? Last year they might have beaten the Warriors if not for Zaza. I'm not convinced that the Spurs in the East wouldn't also beat the Bucks and 6ers. I'm not even including the fact that the Spurs probably had more off court distractions this year than any team in the league. What he's done with that team is incredible.

I’m all for praising Pop and from an overall cultural/organizational standpoint there’s no one I’d rather have running my team.

That said at this point Stevens may be the better guy in a playoff series. Pop can be ruthlessly stubborn about certain things. He still doesn’t fully grok the value of shooting and too often plays lineups with none of it (lineups which don’t stand a chance). He shoots himself in the foot fairly often and can tend to overthink the game (like fouling 65% free throw shooters in 2015 against LAC).

I’m with you that I don’t think we should crown Stevens too early. But I do think at this point he’s a bit better at pointing his team toward success over the course of a playoff series with multiple adjustments and counter-adjustments.

Can't separate the two. A coach's job is mostly done by the time the playoffs roll around. Getting players to buy in, gel, develop and getting them to execute a system properly has more impact on a ceiling of a team than making adjustments in playoffs. Making playoff adjustments is one of the most overrated parts of basketball. Give me the same team and I still believe Pop gets them further in the postseason than Stevens. Stevens may make good ingame adjustments but Pop will tailor his system to the players and get the most out of them. Stevens is no slouch in this department either, but not as good as Pop who has basically run every type of offense and defense since he's been coaching. Stevens schemes still look a lot like what he ran at Butler especially defensively. Although I think some of his offensive sets are beautiful and just seem to keep getting better.

When you play the same team 4-7 times to determine if you are going to get eat closer to the championship or not, I think adjustments are very important lol.

[pelifan]

Can't separate the two. A coach's job is mostly done by the time the playoffs roll around. Getting players to buy in, gel, develop and getting them to execute a system properly has more impact on a ceiling of a team than making adjustments in playoffs. Making playoff adjustments is one of the most overrated parts of basketball. Give me the same team and I still believe Pop gets them further in the postseason than Stevens. Stevens may make good ingame adjustments but Pop will tailor his system to the players and get the most out of them. Stevens is no slouch in this department either, but not as good as Pop who has basically run every type of offense and defense since he's been coaching. Stevens schemes still look a lot like what he ran at Butler especially defensively. Although I think some of his offensive sets are beautiful and just seem to keep getting better.

You can certainly separate the two

i dont see how u can say playoff adjustments are overrated when Brett has yet to adjust to Simmons being guarded by a sagged off Horford or Marcus for the whole series.

Sixers were leading by 4 with a minute left and Brads after timeout plays literally won the game in Ot. How often do u see a coach call a timeout as ardently as Brad did seeing Marcus postup about to brick a shot? Then make that play after timeout. You saying Brads schemes look alot like what he ran at Butler arent relevant specially considering Pop himself said he still watches old Butler film to steal Stevens plays. Great plays are great plays

Yeah pelifan I really can’t agree with your take here. Stevens’ playoff adjustment is literally the reason why Boston is about to easily dispatch a team that many of us though was on the way to the Finals.

If you thought the 6ers were on their way to the finals that's exactly why you should listen to me. I've been pumping the breaks on that team for a month now. Playoff adjustments have meant about zero. The Celtics have won every game including game one. A big part of the reason the Celtics are winning is the head coach disparity but that is largely due to how they've developed their teams up until this point. The 76ers players clearly lack poise. One of their turnovers today was due to Ben Simmons running into his own player. The Celtics have an offensive system that creates shots the 76ers all year have had a 3 and foul team that relies on Simmons penetration and the gravity of Embiid. They were poorly prepared for playoff basketball. The Celtics D is too good for this. The one regular season win for the Sixers took the Celtics scoring 80 points, the Celtics won the other 3. In the big run the 6ers had to end the season only 3 of the teams they played were playoff teams. The Celtics have a better team before the series started. Adjustments made for the playoffs had very little to do with this.

I agree many other coaches have out coached Pop in a playoff series, I think it happens a lot actually. But a Pop coached team has never lost to a less talented team in the playoffs so obviously playoff adjustments can't mean that much.

[Clyde Frazier]

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