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Post#201 » by BlueSan » Tue May 8, 2018 9:43 pm

Who is going to be the MVP guys? Cast your votes
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Post#202 » by UcanUwill » Wed May 9, 2018 5:03 am

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Post#203 » by BlueSan » Wed May 9, 2018 3:11 pm

Here is my opinion based on what we know.

1. To make it more simple and easy, let us just talk about 3 guys who I think are in serious discussion for the MVP

A) Calathes
B) Doncic
C) De Colo

First of all we have to know that the decision is taken based on 75,00% media and 25,00% public.

The public voting is also that...public and by the looks of it, we will have:
A) Calathes at nm. 1
B) Doncic at nm. 2
C) De Colo at nm 7

Next I think, if we are to be serious about this we need to start with facts and statistics, this is something media guys who will score will look also closely.

AVERAGE PLAYING TIME

This one is important, because all the STATS that will follow could be deflated or inflated based on this. If someone spends 5 more minutes on the court and that can literally mean from 20-30% more time to increase most of the stats.

A) - Calathes = 29:00 minutes
B) - Doncic = 25:43 minutes
C) - De Colo = 25:46 minutes

So basically De Colo and Doncic are close but Calathes spends 10% + more time on the court then those two. We will keep that in mind watching the stats.

Next up are

POINTS

A) - Calathes = 14,5
B) - Doncic = 16,1
C) - De Colo = 16,9

Difference here isnt so big, but remember Calathes spends 10%+ more on the court, so Doncic and De Colo are better in that segment for about 3 points per game.

REBOUNDS

A) - Calathes = 3,8
B) - Doncic = 4,8
C) - De Colo = 2,3

So here De Colo is third in helping his team with the jumping, Calathes is definitely second even though he gets a 10%+ boost and Doncic is alone at the top.


ASSISTS

A) - Calathes = 8,0
B) - Doncic = 4,4
C) - De Colo = 3,9

Here Calatches even with his 10% adventage is 3,00 whole assists above both players and deservingly holds the number one spot, we also need to take into account that this year Calathes broke the all time record for assissts in Euroleague.

STEALS

A) - Calathes = 1,7
B) - Doncic = 1,1
C) - De Colo = 1,3

Calathes leads but with his 10% boost, not by much really...


TURNOVERS

A) - Calathes = 2,3
B) - Doncic = 2,3
C) - De Colo = 2,3

Here Calathes spending more time on the court actually gives him an adventage but it doesnt make a difference, they are all about the same

DRAWING FOULS

A) - Calathes = 3,4
B) - Doncic = 5,7
C) - De Colo = 4,7

Drawing fouls is important and shows a lot of things. One of it is that the guy can get the line if needed, second that he is a handful and opponents need to stop him with fouls...
Doncic leads the way, De Colo is not that far behind, but Calathes considering the 10% bonus is quite dead last here.


I will skip the blocks etc, as no one does much here really.

The final statistic, instead of going into shooting percentage and what not, we will instead of use PIR, since PIR indicates whether a player is wasting shots amongst others and is a good indicator on how the player is helping his team.

PIR

A) - Calathes = 18,5
B) - Doncic = 21,8
C) - De Colo = 19,8

PIR shows well enough that Calathes' has problem with the shooting % because otherwise he should be close to the top because of assists alone, but he is not, because of his inability to draw fouls and mostly because he is shooting ridiculously bad from FREE THROWS 57,60%. For a pointguard this is absurdly low and in fact Calathes has cost his team 42 points for that alone.

De Colo is second here mostly because he is the best shooter or lets say picks his shots extremely well also.

Doncic however is on top with 2 points advantage over De Colo which is not a small margin, especially if we take into account some other factors.


All and all the three are not miles appart at least at the first glance, but I do think it is safe to say statistically it goes like this:

Doncic is ahead, De Colo is closely following second and Calathes I believe is a grade behind.

Now the next important thing to note is that MVP is usually someone who has done something with his team and by that we mostly mean at least get them to the final 4. Calathes has failed to do just that and together with the above Statistics, I think that should put him out of contention for the MVP and I believe only his FANS and the fact he broke the all time assists is keeping him in the race somewhat.

De Colo I believe comes second. His team is really good and that plays a role, next to that he also has incredibly high % of shooting and that is definitely important, but in the End I think Doncic edges him for a couple of reasons.


1) We do know Real Madrid was in shambles by losing their MVP of 2017 and Doncic had to take over.
2) The fact that he is 18/19 like it or not will play a role in this decision, because it makes it that more impresive
3) The guy was also 4 times MVP of the week, the youngest MVP of the month, now rising star of Euroleague award second time in a row. Here just like Calathes he has draw new borders for players and Euroleague. That is important
4) Like it or not, it is almost destined he does it because of the "hype" as well

- Gold with small country of Slovenia Eurobasket aged 18
- Takes over Real Madrid team
- Leads in PIR, collects rewards left and right
- Predicted to go 1-3 in the draft
- Age of 18-19
- Once in a life talent

...MVP of the league considering all above I as objectively as possible believe is the next logical and I think fair step.
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Post#204 » by UcanUwill » Wed May 9, 2018 3:22 pm

What do you think of Hines wining DPOY? Are there no better options? I guess he is better than Hanga. who is flashy shotblocker, but not the most fundamental defender. Would Hines work in the NBA today, with less and less dominant post players, his size disadvantage would not be that big of the deal. I remember him guarding Pekovic back in the day, and man Pek towered over that guy.
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Post#205 » by BlueSan » Wed May 9, 2018 3:33 pm

My personal opinion regarding the matter is, that Kyle Hines deserves the award sure. As for him working in the NBA it is hard to say, because of totally different defense being played.
In NBA there is a lot of Isolation because NBA allows it, the rules and spacing are set in such a way, while in Europe there is a lot more covering and team defending, so like I already mentioned, people who think NBA superstars in Euroleague have averages of 30-40 points per game and similar can just forget it.
Nowdays its too late to talk about Hines, because at the age of 31 and him being not exactly a prolific scorer, personally I dont know if it is worth signing the guy...had he been young developing player sure, I think he would work and you would have a really good basis to work with, but as it is, it would be hard to take a way a place on the floor from somebody to justify playing Hines just because you hope he can maybe bring his defense to NBA, which I personally think he could do to a certain level, but definitely not all of it.

Hope that answers your question and my personal thoughts on the matter

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