2017/18 Draft Thread - X Gonna Give It to You Edition! (PHO, SAC, ATL)

whocares1 · Post #1581 » by **whocares1** » Wed May 16, 2018 11:42 pm

spree8 wrote:
whocares1 wrote:Trae is a better fit with Frank than Sexton.

Hate to break it to ya, but Trae is dookie and Mikal > Miles.

Haven’t heard that term since like 10 years ago and that’s okay. You’re entitled to your opinion. Be happy that the Knicks want your boy.

spree8 · Post #1582 » by **spree8** » Thu May 17, 2018 12:02 am

3toheadmelo wrote:
spree8 wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:i think bamba is great but i dont think i would take him over ayton/bagley/doncic IMO. he is right after them for sure though.

I had Doncic and Bagley (not Ayton) ahead of him back in January, but now I’m not so sure. Them 2, Bamba and Mikal are my favorite players for this team, but picking between them would make my head explode.

I like bamba but he does have some flaws that make me hesitant to pick him over the three guys I listed. he does have an inconsistent motor, he easily gets pushed around, not consistent on making reads out of the post.. etc

i can see why you’re very high on him due to his potential though. but I feel like ayton can be the best center in the league if he fixes his motor, bagley can be a very unique player if he gets a consistent jumper, doncic can be a multiple all star if he fixes his defense and puts his athleticism doubts to rest.

i feel like those 3 guys have higher floors than bamba and would most likely reach their ceiling than him imo

Thing I always hated about Ayton is his heart (dunno if that’s really fixable)... he’s got a lot of talent but I wouldn’t want someone who would leave my team hanging in the playoffs. I don’t think Bamba has a motor issue tho... he’s not Bagley, but he puts in work and enjoys playing defense.

Mo is a smart dude who seems to really wanna expand his offensive game even further. I think he could be a KG/Gobert hybrid when it’s all said n done... that’s scary. I dunno if Ayton will ever even be as good as Embiid is right now tho.

Doncic and Bagley have some concerns...not many, but I really don’t have any about Bamba.

N Y K · Post #1583 » by **N Y K** » Thu May 17, 2018 12:03 am

i beat trae up a lot... he is pretty dynamic on the offensive end, but he is a MAJOR liability on the defensive end. That coupled with his size/measurables is just far too much risk imo. i wouldn't want to pair him with frank.

RHODEY · Post #1584 » by **RHODEY** » Thu May 17, 2018 12:10 am

To anyone in the know. How does Sexton compare to D'aeron Fox? Do they have similar games? I just read that post article comparing Sexton's quickness to Kevin Johnson and his athleticism to Russ Westbrook.If that is true it would be tough for me to not pick him...even if Mikal is still on board

VirginiaKnickFan · Post #1585 » by **VirginiaKnickFan** » Thu May 17, 2018 12:14 am

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HEZI · Post #1586 » by **HEZI** » Thu May 17, 2018 12:37 am

N Y K wrote:i beat trae up a lot... he is pretty dynamic on the offensive end, but he is a MAJOR liability on the defensive end. That coupled with his size/measurables is just far too much risk imo. i wouldn't want to pair him with frank.

Wouldn't a good coach be able to turn him into a solid defensive player? I think his size/measurements are just fine. How big is Mike Conley again? Tony Parker? If Fizdale is the coach we hope he is, brings the things to the table we hope he does, then he should be able to work with a kid like Trae Young without a problem.

But, I don't think Trae Young will be available at 9 anyway so eh I'll just monitor the kids career from a distance

Illightinati · Post #1587 » by **Illightinati** » Thu May 17, 2018 12:38 am

RHODEY wrote:To anyone in the know. How does Sexton compare to D'aeron Fox? Do they have similar games? I just read that post article comparing Sexton's quickness to Kevin Johnson and his athleticism to Russ Westbrook.If that is true it would be tough for me to not pick him...even if Mikal is still on board

He's not faster than or as fast as Fox,
Similarties:
Attacking the rack
Clutch
Uses speed to advantage in attacking
Likes Big Moments
Aggression
Not Perimeter Shooters
Need to work on 3 point-shooting
Similar height, wingspan

Differences:
Fox is faster
Fox is a way better playmaker
Fox is a better defender

I actually would love to see them matchup after writing this.

He's more Westbrook without the same leaping ability, but has a better shooting form and a little more smarts at scoring.

Triple C · Post #1588 » by **Triple C** » Thu May 17, 2018 12:39 am

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fatalogic · Post #1589 » by **fatalogic** » Thu May 17, 2018 12:41 am

Have the combine measurements been released yet?

nykinoz · Post #1590 » by **nykinoz** » Thu May 17, 2018 12:44 am

Triple C wrote:

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"Enes, we are drafting Carter if he is there to pair with KP, if you opt in, expect a reduced role"

vallen · Post #1591 » by **vallen** » Thu May 17, 2018 12:46 am

Triple C wrote:

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to talk about that extension.

Fat Kat · Post #1592 » by **Fat Kat** » Thu May 17, 2018 12:53 am

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DaGawd · Post #1593 » by **DaGawd** » Thu May 17, 2018 12:56 am

Triple C wrote:

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"Look man.. we're trading up for Bamba.. your services are no longer needed here"

Dantares · Post #1594 » by **Dantares** » Thu May 17, 2018 12:56 am

RHODEY wrote:To anyone in the know. How does Sexton compare to D'aeron Fox? Do they have similar games? I just read that post article comparing Sexton's quickness to Kevin Johnson and his athleticism to Russ Westbrook.If that is true it would be tough for me to not pick him...even if Mikal is still on board

guys like De'Aaron and John Wall are taller and maybe a little longer so they can finish above the rim better. But Sexton is going to be just as fast in the open floor. I think Sexton is lower to the ground and has a stronger lower body/base at 19 yrs old so when he dribbles he might actually be able to change direction better in the open floor someday. He's only 19 yrs old and a couple months so he will get even more explosive the next few years.

Look how fast he is on the breakout out 1:32. Look at the guy behind him, he nearly loses his balance and falls because Sexton is so quick.

Watch on YouTube

Now look how fast he is at the 5:24 mark with the push dribble here. He's like an elite wide reciever or elite striker in soccer that gets ahead of the pack with that crazy intital burst of speed.

Watch on YouTube

and he can obviously get up as well.

Watch on YouTube

newyorker4ever · Post #1595 » by **newyorker4ever** » Thu May 17, 2018 12:57 am

TheGreenArrow wrote:

Read on Twitter

They have mikal going 8th....

That sounds very Knicks like for the kid that most of us want to go one pick before we pick.

N Y K · Post #1596 » by **N Y K** » Thu May 17, 2018 1:00 am

HEZI wrote:
N Y K wrote:i beat trae up a lot... he is pretty dynamic on the offensive end, but he is a MAJOR liability on the defensive end. That coupled with his size/measurables is just far too much risk imo. i wouldn't want to pair him with frank.

Wouldn't a good coach be able to turn him into a solid defensive player? I think his size/measurements are just fine. How big is Mike Conley again? Tony Parker? If Fizdale is the coach we hope he is, brings the things to the table we hope he does, then he should be able to work with a kid like Trae Young without a problem.

But, I don't think Trae Young will be available at 9 anyway so eh I'll just monitor the kids career from a distance

good coaching could correct that, but not only is he a bad defender, he's a lazy defender. It doesn't bode well in my opinion. Thankful that someone else will bet on improving that...

reub · Post #1597 » by **reub** » Thu May 17, 2018 1:06 am

reub wrote:
TheGreenArrow wrote:

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They have mikal going 8th....

The Ringer has MPJR going fifth, way ahead of Mikal Bridges and even ahead of Bagley.
Not bad for a scrub.

MPJr's pluses:

"
Sweet shooting stroke with a high release and soft touch, both off the catch and off the dribble.
Good ball handler in the open floor; can take the ball coast to coast.
Effective off-ball player who moves well on cuts and knows how to get himself open for catch-and-shoot 3s.
Plays with confidence offensively; never lets mistakes get in the way of making the next play.
With solid length and quickness, he’s potentially a versatile defender if his fundamentals improve.

newyorker4ever · Post #1598 » by **newyorker4ever** » Thu May 17, 2018 1:06 am

knickstape4ever wrote:
TheGreenArrow wrote:

Read on Twitter

They have mikal going 8th....

damn, we'd miss out on both bridges. I think thats the worst case scenario

I don't know how long the Ringer has been around and doing these but i'd love to see what they said about S.Curry before he was drafted and see if it's close to anything they're saying about T.YToung and the same with W.Carter and match his to what they said about A.Horford.

Does anyone know if they were even doing these long enough to have one on Horford or Curry??

whocares1 · Post #1599 » by **whocares1** » Thu May 17, 2018 1:08 am

RHODEY wrote:To anyone in the know. How does Sexton compare to D'aeron Fox? Do they have similar games? I just read that post article comparing Sexton's quickness to Kevin Johnson and his athleticism to Russ Westbrook.If that is true it would be tough for me to not pick him...even if Mikal is still on board

There’s only a handful of people that have Westbrook’s athleticism and Sexton isn’t one of them.

RHODEY · Post #1600 » by **RHODEY** » Thu May 17, 2018 1:10 am

Dantares wrote:
RHODEY wrote:To anyone in the know. How does Sexton compare to D'aeron Fox? Do they have similar games? I just read that post article comparing Sexton's quickness to Kevin Johnson and his athleticism to Russ Westbrook.If that is true it would be tough for me to not pick him...even if Mikal is still on board

guys like De'Aaron and John Wall are taller and maybe a little longer so they can finish above the rim better. But Sexton is going to be just as fast in the open floor. I think Sexton is lower to the ground and has a stronger lower body/base at 19 yrs old so when he dribbles he might actually be able to change direction better in the open floor someday. He's only 19 yrs old and a couple months so he will get even more explosive the next few years.

Look how fast he is on the breakout out 1:32. Look at the guy behind him, he nearly loses his balance and falls because Sexton is so quick.

Watch on YouTube

Now look how fast he is at the 5:24 mark with the push dribble here. He's like an elite wide reciever or elite striker in soccer that gets ahead of the pack with that crazy intital burst of speed.

Watch on YouTube

and he can obviously get up as well.

Watch on YouTube

Thanks ... this kid will be way better than Dennis Smith..I think we may pick him if he's available.

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