2018 draft 3.0. #7, #22 - Merged

[burlydee]

Does dunn need to improve his jumper and finishing at the rim? Absolutely, but I just don't understand the disdain towards him.

Sometimes there are players who, in the minds of some fans who hate the FO, personify the management arm of the organization. Deng, Hinrich, McDermott, these guys all took their turns. Because Dunn and Lavine were the immediate returns in the trade of Butler - a beloved player for the most part - they started out with two strikes and a smoking slider nearing home for strike three.

This is 100% true. And if Lauri hadn’t had himself an incredible rookie year, he too would be loathed in an unwarranted fashion.

I understand being critical of their games, but they came to the team with a stigma attached to them.

C'mon. Saying Dunn needs to improve on his .488 TS% is not some veiled shot at the front office and it is not unfair criticism. Of the 197 guards to start a basketball game this season, Dunn had the 150th best TS% (Payne was 149). Of the 65 guys to play at least 40 games, Dunn was #61 ahead of 3 rookie and Tyler Ulis. Dunn's shooting continues to be a concern and will be until he shows otherwise.

[thewraith]

This would be an excellent and guaranteed way for Hoiberg to lose the team. Dunn was top 5 pick himself two years that showed major strides last season and playing for his career and LaVine is a guy we looking at be a top scorer for us that will soon be the highest paid player on the team by far. Talklike you are suggesting is why people would not want to draft Young even if he is the best player available. If Young is the best he will prove it. You don't hand him the job.

I don't feel like demanding that a player has to focus on defense if they want to start is going to be detrimental to a team.

Um that still doesn't explain why Young is handed a job and Dunn and LaVine have to compete for the other spot based on who plays better defense. Why is Young getting special treatment? Why is his focus on defense not important? It would be wrong to assume he is going the best player of the three next season so how does that work in terms of locker room chemistry?

I think you need to read what was posted again because it obvious you got crossed up with the names lol.

[WindyCityBorn]

I don't feel like demanding that a player has to focus on defense if they want to start is going to be detrimental to a team.

Um that still doesn't explain why Young is handed a job and Dunn and LaVine have to compete for the other spot based on who plays better defense. Why is Young getting special treatment? Why is his focus on defense not important? It would be wrong to assume he is going the best player of the three next season so how does that work in terms of locker room chemistry?

I think you need to read what was posted again because it obvious you got crossed up with the names lol.

That was addressed. It still didn't change my opinion that if one job is open then both should be open.

[thewraith]

IMO Trae Young running Fred Hoiberg's offense could be special. Imagine pick an roll with Lauri & Portis. Plus you have 3 ball handlers that can penetrate in Young, LaVine an Dunn. 3 very good to great 3pt shooters in Young, LaVine an Markkanen. Dunn could probably guard most SGs around the league as well.

Trae Young is the real deal imo. 25ppg 9assist as a 19yr old....led the nation in both categories. Those numbers are almost unheard of. Neither Lillard or McCollum are great defenders either...put them in the Eastern Conference an they might make some noise. If Young is the last of the big 7 available, sign me up.

Collect Talent!

Funny thing is people mention D a lot for young but how many of these point guards are really known as good/great defenders? Maybe a handful so why all the concern now lol.

[shakes0]

I've heard JJJ described as very raw and someone that might take a year or two to develop. Can someone who knows explain to me why JJJ is seen as a higher tier prospect than Wendell Carter?

-longer
-more athletic
-better shooter
-better ball handler
-great defensive player


What else do you need????

[Chi town]

I like trae young, I think he'll be good in the nba. His shooting ability + passing/court vision is great

but man real gm bulls forum is harsh on dunn(lavine too) but y'all just rip dunn to shreds. I like dunn's attitude,he's a great teammate who works hard he'll be solid player at the least. Give him a chance and again he has the best chemistry with lauri out of any bulls player/pg's

If the bulls drafted young(assuming the top 6 are all gone) I wouldn't be upset at all.Talent is talent you figure fits/roles out later

For real, I like Dunn a lot too. One year with Hoiberg helping him with his shot form and you saw improvements across the board:

+5.2 FG%
+3.3 3P%
+12 FT%
+5.6 TS%

That's one season, and the kid just turned 24 in March.

He needs the same increases again this season to become a solid starter. That's alot to ask but IMO he was trending close to that before he had his fall.

I'm hopeful for Dunn

[kingkirk]

C'mon. Saying Dunn needs to improve on his .488 TS% is not some veiled shot at the front office and it is not unfair criticism. Of the 197 guards to start a basketball game this season, Dunn had the 150th best TS% (Payne was 149). Of the 65 guys to play at least 40 games, Dunn was #61 ahead of 3 rookie and Tyler Ulis. Dunn's shooting continues to be a concern and will be until he shows otherwise.

I know the numbers. He needs to improve. He’s not even close to an average player on offense. That’s undeniable. That said, there’s no doubt in my mind that Dunn’s perception as a player would be entirely different if he was drafted by the Bulls and not traded for as a key piece in the Butler deal.

There’s too much emotion among the fan base for this not to be true on some level.

[StunnerKO]

Everytime Dunn TS% was heading into the right direction he either got injuried and led to more inconsistency. Need him to improve in the off season and stay on the court. If he did that last season I believe he would have been around 51%

[GimmeDat]

Apparently Memphis are the only team in the top 8 not requesting to interview Mo Bamba.

[kulaz3000]

I've heard JJJ described as very raw and someone that might take a year or two to develop. Can someone who knows explain to me why JJJ is seen as a higher tier prospect than Wendell Carter?

-longer
-more athletic
-better shooter
-better ball handler
-great defensive player


What else do you need????

His numbers are quite similar to Tyrus Thomas - college numbers wise. JJJ is/was the better shooter, more range. But Tyrus was the better rebounder, and I'll go as far to say the better athlete.

[GimmeDat]

I've heard JJJ described as very raw and someone that might take a year or two to develop. Can someone who knows explain to me why JJJ is seen as a higher tier prospect than Wendell Carter?

-longer
-more athletic
-better shooter
-better ball handler
-great defensive player


What else do you need????

I agree that JJJ is the better prospect, but I don't think the difference is that massive.

JJJ shot .396 from three. Carter shot .413.

Wendell is easily the better rebounder. Wendell is the better passer. Wendell better finisher at the rim.

The main difference comes from athleticism and defense, not that Carter is a liability in either of those areas. Consider also that Wendell limited to his game to play 2nd fiddle to Bagley and there may be some skills that we didn't see from him. He showed some extra versatility at the HS level, for sure.

I'll take JJJ but playing devils advocate for Wendell a bit because he's underrated.

[Chi town]

Not a fan of Huerter. Don't think he's an NBA athlete. Looks slow to me when watching him. He's a spot up shooter which still has value but we need more than that from this pick.

[GimmeDat]

Not a fan of Huerter. Don't think he's an NBA athlete. Looks slow to me when watching him. He's a spot up shooter which still has value but we need more than that from this pick.

Personally, I think this is a bit of a misnomer. The more I watched the more I found him to actually be a pretty solid athlete, and he did really well in athletic testing at the combine. Very solid defender also.

[ChiCitySPORTS#1]

I've heard JJJ described as very raw and someone that might take a year or two to develop. Can someone who knows explain to me why JJJ is seen as a higher tier prospect than Wendell Carter?

-longer
-more athletic
-better shooter
-better ball handler
-great defensive player


What else do you need????

I agree that JJJ is the better prospect, but I don't think the difference is that massive.

JJJ shot .396 from three. Carter shot .413.

Wendell is easily the better rebounder. Wendell is the better passer. Wendell better finisher at the rim.

The main difference comes from athleticism and defense, not that Carter is a liability in either of those areas. Consider also that Wendell limited to his game to play 2nd fiddle to Bagley and there may be some skills that we didn't see from him. He showed some extra versatility at the HS level, for sure.

I'll take JJJ but playing devils advocate for Wendell a bit because he's underrated.

I think most people understand that Carter --albeit the same age as the others, appears to be more polished than his peers. And today, probably a better player. But the other bigs seem to have a higher ceiling and star potential.

[NecessaryEvil]

Apparently Memphis are the only team in the top 8 not requesting to interview Mo Bamba.

Mo Bam Bigelow is above being interviewed

With that said, it looks like it will come down to Dallas #5 & us #7



So there is a 50 percent chance that The Chicago Bulls will Select Mo Bamba from the University of Texas



I need Pax to pull out the choke game on Mark Cuban one more time....

[NecessaryEvil]

I've heard JJJ described as very raw and someone that might take a year or two to develop. Can someone who knows explain to me why JJJ is seen as a higher tier prospect than Wendell Carter?

-longer
-more athletic
-better shooter
-better ball handler
-great defensive player


What else do you need????

I agree that JJJ is the better prospect, but I don't think the difference is that massive.

JJJ shot .396 from three. Carter shot .413.

Wendell is easily the better rebounder. Wendell is the better passer. Wendell better finisher at the rim.

The main difference comes from athleticism and defense, not that Carter is a liability in either of those areas. Consider also that Wendell limited to his game to play 2nd fiddle to Bagley and there may be some skills that we didn't see from him. He showed some extra versatility at the HS level, for sure.

I'll take JJJ but playing devils advocate for Wendell a bit because he's underrated.

Thing is, JJJ looks like he could be KG level great. It wouldn't even be a question for me. Triple J is the one.

[TheFinishSniper]

His life is pretty is good is if this is his worst time.

Well for his stocks at least Guy is likely living a life, imagine being 19 and in few weeks signing double digit million contract.

[Chicagoat]

Apparently Memphis are the only team in the top 8 not requesting to interview Mo Bamba.

I bet they're still going through Thabeet flashbacks.

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[Hangtime84]

Apparently Memphis are the only team in the top 8 not requesting to interview Mo Bamba.

I bet they're still going through Thabeet flashbacks.

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Which is perfect.

Eat that parsons contract

[BigUps]

Is anyone else as surprised as me by the poll results?

I would've thought Bridges would easily be #2. I'm very surprised by that. MPJ is sexy, I like him, but I think I take Bridges over all of the options there. I just think his skillset is the modern NBA and he's a guy who helps you win games. A defense with him and Dunn would be respectable and we all know what a stretch 3/4/5 did with Mirotic.

I know he's not sexy, but for me, Bridges is the guy right now. I just can't roll the dice on MPJ's back yet. Maybe I'll change my opinion as the draft approaches, but thats where I'm at right now.