Is jaylen Brown becoming untouchable in the offseason?

[ParticleMan]

seriously. one game. one. game.

lots of great players played poorly in big games early on in their career. kobe was a disaster. lebron was bad for years. even pierce had some stinkers.

and he'll stop being raw when he stops making so many mental mistakes out there. he's way better than he was as a rookie but still makes a lot of mistakes. not everyone can be a basketball savant like tatum.

[Fencer reregistered]

When lights came on in game 7 he was shook.

Yep. One of the things you need to learn is to shoot accurately even when emotions are high. It's very hard to learn that skill without experience.

[The Corey's]

He shot 39% from three in the regular season AND the Playoffs. What's inconsistent about that? And this is a guy who was known as a non-shooter coming into the Draft. He's shown remarkable improvement in his shooting ability, to go from a non-shooter to damn near a great shooter in one year.

How did he shoot in game 1? Now compare it to game 7 when it really mattered.

I didnt say trade him. I said he wasnt untouchable

Ray Allen, one of the greatest shooters of all time was throwing up bricks in a Game 7 of the Finals. Was he inconsistent too? And he was a 15 year vet when that happened, Brown is a 2nd year player playing in the biggest game of his life. People have off shooting nights all the time. Percentages measure consistency. If you're close to a 40% three point shooter both in the regular season and the Playoffs, you're a good shooter.

If brown turns into half the player Allen was then everything is good.

Allen won the 2008 finals almost on his own. I know he had a **** couple rounds but he started to take over in the ecf.

[Fencer reregistered]

Tatum stepped up when the team needed him to. JB did not. I knew Tatum was the better player and that has proven to be true. JB is nowhere near untouchable.

Based on the three recent playoff series, one could reverse the names in that and be equally (in)correct.

[Bar Fight]

How did he shoot in game 1? Now compare it to game 7 when it really mattered.

I didnt say trade him. I said he wasnt untouchable

Ray Allen, one of the greatest shooters of all time was throwing up bricks in a Game 7 of the Finals. Was he inconsistent too? And he was a 15 year vet when that happened, Brown is a 2nd year player playing in the biggest game of his life. People have off shooting nights all the time. Percentages measure consistency. If you're close to a 40% three point shooter both in the regular season and the Playoffs, you're a good shooter.

If brown turns into half the player Allen was then everything is good.

Allen won the 2008 finals almost on his own. I know he had a **** couple rounds but he started to take over in the ecf.

And he had a **** game in the biggest game of his career. As a veteran. But you're dismissing Brown as an inconsistent shooter despite his percentages based on a bad shooting night in the biggest game of his career as a **** 21 year old.

[truth18]

I like Jaylen and he's good. But he is very move able if the return piece was legit. Tatum he is not. And in a way it sucks for Jaylen since Tatum stole all his thunder this year but Tatum is a far bigger talent who develops much faster. It is what it is.

It comes down to this. I was saying all year that Tatum is simply in a different class than Brown but I won't lie, the ebbs and flows of the season made me question myself at times. After this post season I have no doubt of Tatum being untouchable in comparison.

[truth18]

Ray Allen, one of the greatest shooters of all time was throwing up bricks in a Game 7 of the Finals. Was he inconsistent too? And he was a 15 year vet when that happened, Brown is a 2nd year player playing in the biggest game of his life. People have off shooting nights all the time. Percentages measure consistency. If you're close to a 40% three point shooter both in the regular season and the Playoffs, you're a good shooter.

If brown turns into half the player Allen was then everything is good.

Allen won the 2008 finals almost on his own. I know he had a **** couple rounds but he started to take over in the ecf.

And he had a **** game in the biggest game of his career. As a veteran. But you're dismissing Brown as an inconsistent shooter despite his percentages based on a bad shooting night in the biggest game of his career as a **** 21 year old.

You can make a solid case that Ray lost us the 2010 finals more than he won us the 2008 ship. Nothing against Ray (for that, lol).

[The Corey's]

Ray Allen, one of the greatest shooters of all time was throwing up bricks in a Game 7 of the Finals. Was he inconsistent too? And he was a 15 year vet when that happened, Brown is a 2nd year player playing in the biggest game of his life. People have off shooting nights all the time. Percentages measure consistency. If you're close to a 40% three point shooter both in the regular season and the Playoffs, you're a good shooter.

If brown turns into half the player Allen was then everything is good.

Allen won the 2008 finals almost on his own. I know he had a **** couple rounds but he started to take over in the ecf.

And he had a **** game in the biggest game of his career. As a veteran. But you're dismissing Brown as an inconsistent shooter despite his percentages based on a bad shooting night in the biggest game of his career as a **** 21 year old.

I am not dismissing anything. I just said that he isnt untradeable.

Tatum **** balled last night. As a rookie playing his 99th game having not even played 30 last year. If Tatum doesn't show like brown and Terry then were talking a 20 plus blowout

It's not personal. I know brown is a baller.

[Captain_Caveman]

I wonder, if the situation was reversed and instead it was Tatum who had a great game 6 and it was Brown who had a great game 7, if opinions would have changed regarding Brown. Brown probably just had as much good games as Tatum in these playoffs. The difference between them 2 is clearly not "night and day." Brown is a better attacker and finisher, and has been just as good from 3 at least in the playoffs.

Tatum is worth three Jaylens.

If true then we would of closed out the series in game 6.

Jaylen is nowhere close to being the same caliber of prospect. Never has been.

[GreenBloodedC]

I think what we all know when Tatum stepped on the floor wearing Green was, he's a natural and has all the tools to be great. Brown barely got minutes last year, while Tatum was an immediate starter in a team with Kyrie, Hayward and Horford.

Just really happy with Brown's leap from last year to this year. And losing this way in a game 7 will make him work even harder.

[canman1971]

Damn, you would think Brown is 30 years old. Ask yourselves how old you are and go from there. That being said, nobody is un-tradable. But people really need some perspective.

[Asian Celtic]

Tatum is untouchable.
Brown is not untouchable.
but are there any deals where we send off Brown and get equal or better value? I don't think so unless it's kawhi.
So whether or not he's untouchable is moot cause it's very likely we keep him than trade him for an upgrade which costs more $$$.

[rd26]

Tatum is worth three Jaylens.

If true then we would of closed out the series in game 6.

Jaylen is nowhere close to being the same caliber of prospect. Never has been.

Just curious, where would you rank him as a prospect? Saric? Kuzma? Brogdon? Winslow?

I certainly don't see him as an all timer, but the list of under 24 guys I'd trade him for straight up is pretty small.

[BigTrade92]

You trade Brown in a split second if you can get Leonard or Davis in return.

In fact you trade Brown, Rozier, the Sacramento pick, Memphis pick and more for either of those two if the opportunity presents itself.

Make no mistake, anything less than an NBA title next season is a gigantic failure. This team and the fanbase isn’t just “happy to be here” anymore.

[DoubleHappiness]

You trade Brown in a split second if you can get Leonard or Davis in return.

In fact you trade Brown, Rozier, the Sacramento pick, Memphis pick and more for either of those two if the opportunity presents itself.

Make no mistake, anything less than an NBA title next season is a gigantic failure. This team and the fanbase isn’t just “happy to be here” anymore.

Jaylen is my favorite Celtic (and Smart). Full stop. But this thread is just a lot of jumping back and forth and it's ridiculous. Tatum's currently a better player and will most likely turn out to be the better pro (I like them both). But let's not get crazy. Jaylen still has incredible upside. People need to understand a thing called variance. Jaylen's stats were lights out this playoffs. He looked locked in at times when the rest of the team didn't/

Of course, trade him for AD in a heartbeat. I'd be sad, but you do that 100/100 time. Likewise, you trade Tatum for AD too. Kawhi I think twice about. It really depends on roster construction, $$$ (which most people that want to trade away Jaylen for Kawhi refuse to acknowledge exists), Kawhi's health, and what you think the team's timeline is.

For instance, I wouldn't trade Jaylen for Donovan Mitchell.

[Kool_Name_Right]

Taking into consideration the demand for wings, his age and his play so far, he's not untouchable but I feel like he's earned I high enough price tag in Ainges eyes that most teams will stay away.

I wouldn't trade for Kawhi for Brown. AD is another story altogether, but remember we were 1 game away from the finals. Make Brown the 4th or 5th option and have him focus on the defensive side of the game.

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[mbsnmisc]

So many people on this board make excuses for Brown. He is only 21. I get that. Then stop with the ridulous comparisons to hall of fame players.

Brown isn’t close to an all-star at this point yet the comparisons to all time greats don’t stop. Until Brown gets a go to shot, people need to ease up on these comparisons. Half the time Brown has no idea what to do with the ball in his hands. Gets blocked twice in the same half by Korver of all people tells me more than I need to know.

I’m happy for his improvements from year one to this year. But comparisons Brown to hall of fame players at this point is his raw career is a little foolish. If Hayward was healthy and if Smart was a half way decent scorer, Brown with struggle to get more than 22-25 minutes a game at this point in his career.

Whaaaaaaaa

You're embarrassing yourself. Before, during, and after Brown's drafting.

He ain't going anywhere. He's gonna continue to get better. He's gonna be a star. Role player my ass. Deal with it Dragan fanboy.

Lol. Brown showed who he was in game 7. There are no indications he will be a star except for some on this board when for some reason think he is going to be a super star.
A team with JB as a role player competes for the title. That, I assume, does not include a 21-year-old improving at all for the next 8 years? Just asking.
Don’t me mad their Jeff Green played better than our Jeff Green.

We will talk when he gets a better understanding of the game. If or when he develops a got Ron shot. Until then he is a chicken with his head cut off. Half the time he has no idea what he is doing if he isn’t jacking up 3s.

There is a reason why former NBA players, when watching the Celtics, mention Tatum as someone with star potential.

The difference between Tatum and Brown is night and day. Less than half the people on this board can see that. Give credit to the ones that can. If anyone of Tatum or Brown is going to be a star, I would take Tatum all day.

Brown has a lot of improving to do. Not saying he won’t ever get there. But it’s ridiculous how some of his fanboys here compare him to all time greats when he hasn’t done ****.

Brown right now is the maybe the Celtics 5th best player at this point. It’s Hayward, Kyrie, Tatum, Horfraud. Then Brown is in the mix of 5th best among Rozier, Morris, and Smart. And just like Rozier and Smart, Brown was asked to do more because of injuries to Hayward and Brown. All 3 of those guys right now are role players on legit championship teams.

[1993Playoffs]

Tatum is the only untouchable on the roster.

[Leprechaun18]

This guy played with a strained hammy. I got no questions about him. He made great progress this year. I like how he improved his handle. The sky is the limit.

[Captain_Caveman]

If true then we would of closed out the series in game 6.

Jaylen is nowhere close to being the same caliber of prospect. Never has been.

Just curious, where would you rank him as a prospect? Saric? Kuzma? Brogdon? Winslow?

I certainly don't see him as an all timer, but the list of under 24 guys I'd trade him for straight up is pretty small.

Jaylen was the right pick at #3 and is coming along fine. My point is more about Tatum. He gonna be better than Pierce.