Around the NBA, 2017-18 Season thread

[NyCeEvO]

To be fair, as much as we hate King...who would’ve expected Tatum to be dueling LeBron one on one? Ainge is a freemason. Only explanation. He had GMs thinking of a Isiah Thomas/Markelle Fultz backcourt. Now, look at them.

The consensus was Fultz/Ball/JJ. The Lakers, Suns, Sixers also could’ve had Tatum while Jackson looks good, Phoenix could’ve had a Booker/Tatum/Ayton core. Ainge simply isn’t human. He dabbled in some kind of basketball witchcraft.

I disagree

the consensus is trash.

every year the consensus misses good players. GMs who draft based off of consensus thought are worthless.

This is why i like Sean Marks. do you really think that sean marks would have passed on tatum?

Tatum was the consensus 3rd pick on almost every mock out there. Even before the trade back the only true consensus leading up to the draft was Fultz/Ball, after that there were toss-ups of Tatum, Jackson or Fox at 3. Once the trade was made pretty much every mock had Tatum as the consensus 3rd overall pick.

I had Tatum at #1.

Check last year's draft thread. I literally made posts asking why he wasn't considered the overall #1 pick. Even though he's in Boston, I'm glad to see my scouting skills ain't half bad.

[vincecarter4pres]

I disagree

the consensus is trash.

every year the consensus misses good players. GMs who draft based off of consensus thought are worthless.

This is why i like Sean Marks. do you really think that sean marks would have passed on tatum?

Tatum was the consensus 3rd pick on almost every mock out there. Even before the trade back the only true consensus leading up to the draft was Fultz/Ball, after that there were toss-ups of Tatum, Jackson or Fox at 3. Once the trade was made pretty much every mock had Tatum as the consensus 3rd overall pick.

I had Tatum at #1.

Check last year's draft thread. I literally made posts asking why he wasn't considered the overall #1 pick. Even though he's in Boston, I'm glad to see my scouting skills ain't half bad.

Lol, well you called it!


Buck Foston.

[MrDollarBills]

To be fair, as much as we hate King...who would’ve expected Tatum to be dueling LeBron one on one? Ainge is a freemason. Only explanation. He had GMs thinking of a Isiah Thomas/Markelle Fultz backcourt. Now, look at them.

The consensus was Fultz/Ball/JJ. The Lakers, Suns, Sixers also could’ve had Tatum while Jackson looks good, Phoenix could’ve had a Booker/Tatum/Ayton core. Ainge simply isn’t human. He dabbled in some kind of basketball witchcraft.

I disagree

the consensus is trash.

every year the consensus misses good players. GMs who draft based off of consensus thought are worthless.

This is why i like Sean Marks. do you really think that sean marks would have passed on tatum?

Tatum was the consensus 3rd pick on almost every mock out there. Even before the trade back the only true consensus leading up to the draft was Fultz/Ball, after that there were toss-ups of Tatum, Jackson or Fox at 3. Once the trade was made pretty much every mock had Tatum as the consensus 3rd overall pick.

He should have clearly been #1. The Lakers and Sixers will look like fools.

[MrDollarBills]

could you imagine if Philly walked away with a core of Simmons, Embiid, and Tatum? They would be unstoppable once they hit their primes.

[gaspar]

Jason Tatum is going to be a top 10 player. I seriously hate Billy King.

he just **** ing banged on Lebron James. then goes on to hit a huge step back 3.

To be fair, as much as we hate King...who would’ve expected Tatum to be dueling LeBron one on one? Ainge is a freemason. Only explanation. He had GMs thinking of a Isiah Thomas/Markelle Fultz backcourt. Now, look at them.

The consensus was Fultz/Ball/JJ. The Lakers, Suns, Sixers also could’ve had Tatum while Jackson looks good, Phoenix could’ve had a Booker/Tatum/Ayton core. Ainge simply isn’t human. He dabbled in some kind of basketball witchcraft.

Tatum was drafted at #3, Jackson was #4.

[Prokorov]

I disagree

the consensus is trash.

every year the consensus misses good players. GMs who draft based off of consensus thought are worthless.

This is why i like Sean Marks. do you really think that sean marks would have passed on tatum?

Tatum was the consensus 3rd pick on almost every mock out there. Even before the trade back the only true consensus leading up to the draft was Fultz/Ball, after that there were toss-ups of Tatum, Jackson or Fox at 3. Once the trade was made pretty much every mock had Tatum as the consensus 3rd overall pick.

He should have clearly been #1. The Lakers and Sixers will look like fools.

I dont know, Lonzo Ball had an outstanding rookie year, despite a slow start and being under the microscope of criticism.

I know he didnt shoot it well... but 10/7/7/2/1 is impressive by any rookie standards. very Kidd-like numbers. and he showed an ability to positively impact games without having to score, and om both ends. im not convinced Tatum ends up being the better player or if he does that its by a huge margin. Maybe Tatum ends up being the grant hill to balls jason kidd.

Fultz has barely played, on a team/system that doesnt seem to care much about its players and their development, consistently holding guys back. i think philly planned to tank again, but simmons/embiid were so good it didnt matter. i didnt love fultz coming out... but i think he has alot more to show still

[shakendfries]

these warriors are trash

[Prokorov]

id love to see the rockets win but i fear gsw will come back and we get another horrible gsw vs lebron finals. yuck.

i get durant is great and thats how you win but its a sin against basketball that the warirors went from poetry in motion on offense to durant iso jacking shots(efficiently) every possesions as All time great shooters/passers sit and watch

[shakendfries]

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[MrDollarBills]

id love to see the rockets win but i fear gsw will come back and we get another horrible gsw vs lebron finals. yuck.

i get durant is great and thats how you win but its a sin against basketball that the warirors went from poetry in motion on offense to durant iso jacking shots(efficiently) every possesions as All time great shooters/passers sit and watch

yeah, I don't know whats going on over there but KD is has kind of gone off on his own way.

wouldn't shock me to find out if there are some issues going on.

[MrDollarBills]

Tatum was the consensus 3rd pick on almost every mock out there. Even before the trade back the only true consensus leading up to the draft was Fultz/Ball, after that there were toss-ups of Tatum, Jackson or Fox at 3. Once the trade was made pretty much every mock had Tatum as the consensus 3rd overall pick.

He should have clearly been #1. The Lakers and Sixers will look like fools.

I dont know, Lonzo Ball had an outstanding rookie year, despite a slow start and being under the microscope of criticism.

I know he didnt shoot it well... but 10/7/7/2/1 is impressive by any rookie standards. very Kidd-like numbers. and he showed an ability to positively impact games without having to score, and om both ends. im not convinced Tatum ends up being the better player or if he does that its by a huge margin. Maybe Tatum ends up being the grant hill to balls jason kidd.

Fultz has barely played, on a team/system that doesnt seem to care much about its players and their development, consistently holding guys back. i think philly planned to tank again, but simmons/embiid were so good it didnt matter. i didnt love fultz coming out... but i think he has alot more to show still

I'm not a Lonzo hater by any means, I think the kid actually shut a lot of people up by being a positive on both ends of the floor but Tatum is pretty much a few offseason workout programs away from being a serious problem in the league. Ball's awful efficiency aside I don't think he was a bad pick but not over Tatum.

Fultz is kind of iffy. but watching him play i see some serious burst off of the dribble so I can see why he was coveted.

that being said, after last night...there's no way Tatum should have gone 3rd. he is clearly heads and shoulders above the rest. His numbers in both regular and post season are ridiculous. 58% TS as a rookie in the playoffs. stepping up in a game 7 versus the best player in the world and challenging him, kids like that don't grow on trees

[Prokorov]

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This is an elite tweet... and why i keep saying pump the breaks on this 76ers dynasty talk. soooo much has to go right just to make 1 finals let alone win one let alone make multiple. especially with Giannis looking like he will eventually be the leagues best player

[MrDollarBills]

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too soon to even go this route. The Celtics will be a powerhouse next season with their full squad. I can't even fathom how Tatum has to go to the bench on behalf of Heyward.

[MrDollarBills]

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This is an elite tweet... and why i keep saying pump the breaks on this 76ers dynasty talk. soooo much has to go right just to make 1 finals let alone win one let alone make multiple. especially with Giannis looking like he will eventually be the leagues best player

I think the Sixers, yeah. Boston? i dunno. i think they can get back to the ECF with their full roster intact.

[Prokorov]

He should have clearly been #1. The Lakers and Sixers will look like fools.

I dont know, Lonzo Ball had an outstanding rookie year, despite a slow start and being under the microscope of criticism.

I know he didnt shoot it well... but 10/7/7/2/1 is impressive by any rookie standards. very Kidd-like numbers. and he showed an ability to positively impact games without having to score, and om both ends. im not convinced Tatum ends up being the better player or if he does that its by a huge margin. Maybe Tatum ends up being the grant hill to balls jason kidd.

Fultz has barely played, on a team/system that doesnt seem to care much about its players and their development, consistently holding guys back. i think philly planned to tank again, but simmons/embiid were so good it didnt matter. i didnt love fultz coming out... but i think he has alot more to show still

I'm not a Lonzo hater by any means, I think the kid actually shut a lot of people up by being a positive on both ends of the floor but Tatum is pretty much a few offseason workout programs away from being a serious problem in the league. Ball's awful efficiency aside I don't think he was a bad pick but not over Tatum.

Fultz is kind of iffy. but watching him play i see some serious burst off of the dribble so I can see why he was coveted.

that being said, after last night...there's no way Tatum should have gone 3rd. he is clearly heads and shoulders above the rest. His numbers in both regular and post season are ridiculous. 58% TS as a rookie in the playoffs. stepping up in a game 7 versus the best player in the world and challenging him, kids like that don't grow on trees

I disagree but im not dismissing your opinion as you could very well be right. I think Lonzo just has too many tools and he didnt even shoot it well (despite being an excellent shooter). i think with a season under his belt and time to work out the kinks he is primed for a huge year 2... something liek 15/11/7/3/1 on 35+ from three. lets also keep in mind the situations they were drafted in too...

Tatum got drafted to a team that was the #1 seed in the east with an elite coach that just added Kyrie Irving. 0 pressure on tatum jumping into a great system in a situation made for him to succeed.

Lonzo was drafted onto a mess of a tanking lakers team with pieces that dont fit, horrible coaching, worse management, pieces that dont fit and tons of inseason roster changes... not to mention maybe the most pressure on a rookie since lebron came into the league.

[MrDollarBills]

I'm not going to discount the situation that Lonzo was drafted into, but Tatum also got thrust into the starting SF role by freak accident and responded with 48%/43%/83% with a TS of 59% as a rookie. that's pretty damn serious.

Lonzo needs to clean up his efficiency but i won't dismiss his overall numbers because i can see where you compare his rookie year to kidd's.

[MrDollarBills]

welp this game is over. Another pointless Cavs vs Warriors finals.

[Papi_swav]

This is why we should tank for at least the next 2-3 years. We have to wait at least 5 years for Lebron and KD to retire anyways, we are not getting anywhere with those 2 in the NBA, and Steph. Might as well go the Sixers route for the next 2 years and get the top talent because clearly the NBA only favors stars and we are far from just 1. We will not get anywhere with 1 star, unless it's Bron, and getting the top picks is the ONLY way we will be close to top talent.

It's a shame how the refs have to favor a super team , NBA always disappoints .

[3pt_chucker]

I felt like I just watched a Nets game with all those bricked 3s in the 2nd half after looking good in the 1st.

Embarrassing that the Rockets did not attack the rim more when they were so ice cold from three. There only adjustment was to shoot more! Insane.

[MrDollarBills]

This is why we should tank for at least the next 2-3 years. We have to wait at least 5 years for Lebron and KD to retire anyways, we are not getting anywhere with those 2 in the NBA, and Steph. Might as well go the Sixers route for the next 2 years and get the top talent because clearly the NBA only favors stars and we are far from just 1. We will not get anywhere with 1 star, unless it's Bron, and getting the top picks is the ONLY way we will be close to top talent.

It's a shame how the refs have to favor a super team , NBA always disappoints .

as long as Allen stays put i have no issues with trading out talent for future 1sts.