Almost off-season discussion! Trades/Free Agency Ep. 9

[bwgood77]

Maybe I'm reading too much into things but looking at the clues part of me thinks they already have a deal in place for a vet pg like kemba or wall. That would make the rumor that they are all in in ayton make sense and when they publicly talk about the offseason they sure act like a vet trade is a given.

Not sure what the Raptors are after but I think Lowry might be the piece that they move this offseason to change things up. Maybe Chriss, 16, Miami pick is the starting point.

Could be. Although I would rank him behind both Kemba and Wall as likely to be acquired. Partly because I think Toronto fired Casey so they could change things up without moving Lowery or Derozen. Plus Lowery is older so has less value for the suns as a long term fit.

I know people are afraid of Walls contract but with 4 years left it would be off the books before an extension for Ayton kick in so it's manageable. Assuming they would extend Kemba if they trade for him his money is actually a little more troublesome longterm than Wall even though it would be less.

His extension doesn't even start until 19 and runs through 2023 (player option in last year but it's like $47 million so he will likely exercise it). But the total was 4/170 and that doesn't even include the 15% trade kicker.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/report-john-wall-wizards-agree-on-207-million-extension-through-2023/

[BobbieL]

Not sure what the Raptors are after but I think Lowry might be the piece that they move this offseason to change things up. Maybe Chriss, 16, Miami pick is the starting point.

Could be. Although I would rank him behind both Kemba and Wall as likely to be acquired. Partly because I think Toronto fired Casey so they could change things up without moving Lowery or Derozen. Plus Lowery is older so has less value for the suns as a long term fit.

I know people are afraid of Walls contract but with 4 years left it would be off the books before an extension for Ayton kick in so it's manageable. Assuming they would extend Kemba if they trade for him his money is actually a little more troublesome longterm than Wall even though it would be less.

His extension doesn't even start until 19 and runs through 2023 (player option in last year but it's like $47 million so he will likely exercise it). But the total was 4/170 and that doesn't even include the 15% trade kicker.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/report-john-wall-wizards-agree-on-207-million-extension-through-2023/

Rather the Suns do nothing but use picks 1 16 and 31 before taking that Wall contract. That’s a horrible deal and the Wizards will be stuck with it. Granted the team will still have 12-18m if cap space to get somebody for PG - Evans Bradley Smart. Just not Wall please

If true the Rockets might go after Paul George - again maybe a chance to get Gordon for nothing.

[jredsaz]

Man, Porter is totally in my blind spot. I was huge on him last summer as a prospect. Doesn't have the length I want in a wing. Handle is questionable. But damn if in ten years he couldn't be in the convo for best player in this draft.

Probably should be in the draft thread but he reminds me of a more athletic Rashard Lewis. In his prime, he was a 20/7 guy on great shooting volumes and efficiency. Wouldn't break the bank for him

I've never seen anyone claim Porter doesn't have good length. He measured 6'10.75 height and a 7'.25 wingspan and 9' standing reach. He'll be a full time 4 in the NBA and will more likely slide down to the 5 rather than up to 3 in spot minutes. I've been saying since before the season started that the only way I feel good about trotting out non-shooters at the 3 (Jackson and Warren) is if we get Porter to play the 4 because he really is an elite shooter. I viewed him as the top prospect before his injury. If we get Ayton we should absolutely target Porter in a trade up scenario, or possibly Mikal Bridges. If we get Doncic then we should absolutely target Wendell Carter in a trade up.

And yeah Lilfishi, I've been comparing him to Lewis for a while now, I think that's a reasonable outcome for Porter presuming he's healthy.

7 foot wingspan isn't great for a 6'10" player but an athlete like that at the 4 would be amazing for this team. I just don't see how the Suns can move up into the top 6 to get him.

[jredsaz]

Not sure what the Raptors are after but I think Lowry might be the piece that they move this offseason to change things up. Maybe Chriss, 16, Miami pick is the starting point.

Could be. Although I would rank him behind both Kemba and Wall as likely to be acquired. Partly because I think Toronto fired Casey so they could change things up without moving Lowery or Derozen. Plus Lowery is older so has less value for the suns as a long term fit.

I know people are afraid of Walls contract but with 4 years left it would be off the books before an extension for Ayton kick in so it's manageable. Assuming they would extend Kemba if they trade for him his money is actually a little more troublesome longterm than Wall even though it would be less.

His extension doesn't even start until 19 and runs through 2023 (player option in last year but it's like $47 million so he will likely exercise it). But the total was 4/170 and that doesn't even include the 15% trade kicker.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/report-john-wall-wizards-agree-on-207-million-extension-through-2023/

I think the only way you touch Wall would be as a secondary move after you acquier a star (IE Kawhi). Even then I dont think he is the right fit for Igor and his offense. That contract is just so big.

[TeamTragic]

Maybe I'm reading too much into things but looking at the clues part of me thinks they already have a deal in place for a vet pg like kemba or wall. That would make the rumor that they are all in in ayton make sense and when they publicly talk about the offseason they sure act like a vet trade is a given.

What gives you that impression WG?

[WeekapaugGroove]

Maybe I'm reading too much into things but looking at the clues part of me thinks they already have a deal in place for a vet pg like kemba or wall. That would make the rumor that they are all in in ayton make sense and when they publicly talk about the offseason they sure act like a vet trade is a given.

What gives you that impression WG?

Maybe I'm reading too much into things but there's just this level of certainty that both McD and Jones seem to have when talking about vet additions to this team that give me a vibe that they have something in place. Trades are something that until you have an agreement you just can't be certain about since even if you want to deal for a vet it take a willing partner to get it done.

Then some probably meaningless clues would be how quickly it seems they are locked into Ayton at 1. If you have a deal for a vet PG that would help push that decision over the edge. Plus looking at their workout guys it sure seems like most are more suited for the 31 pick than 16 so maybe they know that pick is going to be traded.


Again I might be just jumping to conclusions and they are going to move up for SGA or Trey and I'm completely wrong.

[BobbieL]

Maybe I'm reading too much into things but looking at the clues part of me thinks they already have a deal in place for a vet pg like kemba or wall. That would make the rumor that they are all in in ayton make sense and when they publicly talk about the offseason they sure act like a vet trade is a given.

What gives you that impression WG?

Maybe I'm reading too much into things but there's just this level of certainty that both McD and Jones seem to have when talking about vet additions to this team that give me a vibe that they have something in place. Trades are something that until you have an agreement you just can't be certain about since even if you want to deal for a vet it take a willing partner to get it done.

Then some probably meaningless clues would be how quickly it seems they are locked into Ayton at 1. If you have a deal for a vet PG that would help push that decision over the edge. Plus looking at their workout guys it sure seems like most are more suited for the 31 pick than 16 so maybe they know that pick is going to be traded.


Again I might be just jumping to conclusions and they are going to move up for SGA or Trey and I'm completely wrong.

I don’t think jumping to conclusions. I think it makes sense. Ryan has been talking trades since January for the Feb deadline. Now granted new GMs, coaches might change some teams plans. But I think Ryan realizes he probably needs a more veteran presence - especially if Ayton is the pick. Trae and SGA might be good prospects - but they probably stall the timeline more than the right vet.

[thamadkant]

Maybe I'm reading too much into things but looking at the clues part of me thinks they already have a deal in place for a vet pg like kemba or wall. That would make the rumor that they are all in in ayton make sense and when they publicly talk about the offseason they sure act like a vet trade is a given.

What gives you that impression WG?

I think one or two teams with a buyers remorse with a max contract would be interested in Pick 16, Chandler, Dudley and Warren

[thamadkant]

A lot of teams with players on 23 to 25 million a year with 4 plus years left...


And Suns have Dudley and Chandler expiring making 23 million together.... And Suns Pick 16




Is it a coincidence or timely planned by McD

[BobbieL]

A lot of teams with players on 23 to 25 million a year with 4 plus years left...


And Suns have Dudley and Chandler expiring making 23 million together.... And Suns Pick 16




Is it a coincidence or timely planned by McD

A lot of those players- I don’t think I want but am open to the possibilities

[lilfishi22]

Knight doesn't interest me in the slightest.

Knight could have an Oladipo type resurgence with Miami.

Oladipo was kicked around by teams like Orlando and OKC till he got traded to his hometown Indiana and decided to take basketball and his game more seriously in the summer.

Knight has been kicked around by teams like Detroit and Milwaukee so maybe getting traded to his hometown Miami could lead to him taking basketball more seriously as well.

Even the greatest Heat player of all time is a fan of Brandon Knight.

https://247sports.com/nba/milwaukee-bucks/Bolt/Dwyane-Wade-Would-Pick-Brandon-Knight-For-His-All-Star-Game-Spot-35556775

[lilfishi22]

Probably should be in the draft thread but he reminds me of a more athletic Rashard Lewis. In his prime, he was a 20/7 guy on great shooting volumes and efficiency. Wouldn't break the bank for him

I've never seen anyone claim Porter doesn't have good length. He measured 6'10.75 height and a 7'.25 wingspan and 9' standing reach. He'll be a full time 4 in the NBA and will more likely slide down to the 5 rather than up to 3 in spot minutes. I've been saying since before the season started that the only way I feel good about trotting out non-shooters at the 3 (Jackson and Warren) is if we get Porter to play the 4 because he really is an elite shooter. I viewed him as the top prospect before his injury. If we get Ayton we should absolutely target Porter in a trade up scenario, or possibly Mikal Bridges. If we get Doncic then we should absolutely target Wendell Carter in a trade up.

And yeah Lilfishi, I've been comparing him to Lewis for a while now, I think that's a reasonable outcome for Porter presuming he's healthy.

Not sure I want another rookie unless Chriss or Bender are gone. I don’t mind trading 16 and 31 to move up but if using future assets, we need a veteran not another rookie

I think it's almost a certainty one of Bender or Chriss would be involved........... Ideally Chriss

[Kerrsed]

I still think that if we cant package the picks to move up high enough in the draft that the #16 will be used to get Kemba.

IDK, i just have this feeling that Kemba is going to be one of the main targets for us. Experienced vet PG that is used to leading a team, a guy who is in the top 10 in the league at his position, and a guy who looks to be available. Seems like everything McD has talked about and would be kinda perfect for us in our situation.

[jredsaz]

I still think that if we cant package the picks to move up high enough in the draft that the #16 will be used to get Kemba.

IDK, i just have this feeling that Kemba is going to be one of the main targets for us. Experienced vet PG that is used to leading a team, a guy who is in the top 10 in the league at his position, and a guy who looks to be available. Seems like everything McD has talked about and would be kinda perfect for us in our situation.

I don't like Kemba because of the future cost. I feel like the Suns will have to pay more than he is worth in order to keep him in a Suns uniform. That's not a great position to put yourself in. I would rather trade for Russell and have a young, rfa with upside and a similar skillset at half the cost.

[bwgood77]

I still think that if we cant package the picks to move up high enough in the draft that the #16 will be used to get Kemba.

IDK, i just have this feeling that Kemba is going to be one of the main targets for us. Experienced vet PG that is used to leading a team, a guy who is in the top 10 in the league at his position, and a guy who looks to be available. Seems like everything McD has talked about and would be kinda perfect for us in our situation.

I don't like Kemba because of the future cost. I feel like the Suns will have to pay more than he is worth in order to keep him in a Suns uniform. That's not a great position to put yourself in. I would rather trade for Russell and have a young, rfa with upside and a similar skillset at half the cost.

If you're Brooklyn, why would you trade Russell? I could ask the same about Kemba. I don't think Kemba is being moved unless a team gives up a premier asset and/or takes a really bad contract.

[jredsaz]

I still think that if we cant package the picks to move up high enough in the draft that the #16 will be used to get Kemba.

IDK, i just have this feeling that Kemba is going to be one of the main targets for us. Experienced vet PG that is used to leading a team, a guy who is in the top 10 in the league at his position, and a guy who looks to be available. Seems like everything McD has talked about and would be kinda perfect for us in our situation.

I don't like Kemba because of the future cost. I feel like the Suns will have to pay more than he is worth in order to keep him in a Suns uniform. That's not a great position to put yourself in. I would rather trade for Russell and have a young, rfa with upside and a similar skillset at half the cost.

If you're Brooklyn, why would you trade Russell? I could ask the same about Kemba. I don't think Kemba is being moved unless a team gives up a premier asset and/or takes a really bad contract.

I think you're probably right. Nets aren't particularly happy with Russell - he was benched for a game at the end of the season. Walker should be traded for the best asset possible regardless if money is moved or the asset isn't viewed as "premier". But they want to move Batum. And I kinda like Batum. But you can't do it if next summer you have to pay Kemba $25 mil a year as well.

[collidingNeurons]

i don't think Walker gets traded either unless like was mentioned the hornets get a sweetheart deal in which case i hope it's not the Suns. Russell seems to play a lot like Booker does to me only not nearly as good at it, doesnt seem much like a point guard type to me and havent really looked into it but seems to be a poor defender. don't think i'd want to throw Ayton out there with his reported defensive limitations surrounded by guys like Booker, Russell, Warren and Chriss. No idea what they plan on doing at point guard but wouldnt surprise me if they go with someone like Beverly or Payton if igor thinks he can work with him and Knight

[JMac1]

After attending the event last night, I’m not certain of anything and that includes Ayton. I think anything that is posted here could be a possibility. I’m also more open to more than just Doncic and Ayton as well. Those guys have way more information than us. I just hope they start a solid foundation that we can build on going forward.

The Suns could bring in a Wall if they don’t mind paying the luxury tax. Wall Booker Jackson and Ayton/Bagley/JJJ/Bamba?!?

[Moochthemonkey]

The Suns could bring in a Wall if they don’t mind paying the luxury tax.

Mexico will pay for it

[JMac1]

The Suns could bring in a Wall if they don’t mind paying the luxury tax.

Mexico will pay for it