CP3/Rockets Negotiations

[quatin]

Hakeem was 38. Do you expect Rockets to offer him 10 million per?

Motiejunas thing is all his agent fault for not knowing better. Judging how bad he played in NO, Nets would've waive him before his 2nd year become guaranteed. BTW Motiejunas also failed Pistons physical. Don't make it sound like it's all Rockets.

You're just blindly defending the Rockets while eluding the point. The point is: Houston does not have a history of loyalty to players. The term that "Houston treats players like assets, not people" has gathered popularity, not just because of rumors. Therefore, CP3 should not do the organization any favors such as "take a lower contract this year, so we can sign another star next year". He should sign for the highest contract he can get this year.

The DMO debacle concludes on the fact that DMO passed his physical to the Nets. He had a contract, he passed physicals and was ready to play and cash those checks. The Rockets interjected and to this day has not explained why he "failed physical". The Pistons failed DMO on physicals, despite never inspecting him. The doctors failed him on medical records and previous team physical reports. All of this should've been available before the trade. It's pretty much accepted that the Pistons changed their mind on the value of the trade midway and used the physical as an excuse.

[MaxRider]

Hakeem was 38. Do you expect Rockets to offer him 10 million per?

Motiejunas thing is all his agent fault for not knowing better. Judging how bad he played in NO, Nets would've waive him before his 2nd year become guaranteed. BTW Motiejunas also failed Pistons physical. Don't make it sound like it's all Rockets.

You're just blindly defending the Rockets while eluding the point. The point is: Houston does not have a history of loyalty to players. The term that "Houston treats players like assets, not people" has gathered popularity, not just because of rumors. Therefore, CP3 should not do the organization any favors such as "take a lower contract this year, so we can sign another star next year". He should sign for the highest contract he can get this year.

The DMO debacle concludes on the fact that DMO passed his physical to the Nets. He had a contract, he passed physicals and was ready to play and cash those checks. The Rockets interjected and to this day has not explained why he "failed physical". The Pistons failed DMO on physicals, despite never inspecting him. The doctors failed him on medical records and previous team physical reports. All of this should've been available before the trade. It's pretty much accepted that the Pistons changed their mind on the value of the trade midway and used the physical as an excuse.

He didn't pass Nets physical. He never took one. Nets waived that and took the risk. This is why his contract is constructed with so many restriction.

How many team show loyalty to all their players? Don't act like Parsons and Motiejunas are some kind of superstar and deserve special treatment. Hakeem is still very close to Les Alexander (Rockets owner at that time).

[Dark Faze]

I'd be really nervous about it. Not as much because of him being overpaid down the road, but because his availability for a rematch against Golden State is always going to be iffy with his injury history.

I think Morey would stomach it if he could add LeBron. Short of that, I could actually see him sign and trading CP to Philly. Fultz, Covington, and picks--Morey could do a lot with that, and gain assets with which to dump the Anderson contract as well. CP/Simmons/LeBron/Embiid is not the greatest fit in the world, but worry about that kind of thing later. Talent wins.

[VanWest82]

TMac let it slip on The Jump today that Phoenix is going to max Capela. Judging from the reactions of Rachel Nichols and Ramona Shelbourne it was likely something they told him in confidence. I doubt Houston brings him back in that scenario which would seem to make CP3's negotiating position a little stronger. I can't see him getting more than four years regardless.

[quatin]

He didn't pass Nets physical. He never took one. Nets waived that and took the risk. This is why his contract is constructed with so many restriction.

How many team show loyalty to all their players? Don't act like Parsons and Motiejunas are some kind of superstar and deserve special treatment. Hakeem is still very close to Les Alexander (Rockets owner at that time).

Where did you find out his physical was waived? All sources said he passed a physical, not waived a physical.

Here's woj:
After undergoing a physical with the Brooklyn Nets, Houston Rockets restricted free-agent forward Donatas Motiejunas is close to signing an offer sheet with the Nets, according to league sources.

An offer sheet could be signed as soon as Friday, league sources said.

Under league rules, the Rockets will have three days to match the offer and retain Motiejunas – or lose him to the Nets. Houston had been offering a deal in the $8 million annual range but short on guaranteed length.

Source: Adrian Wojnarowski / Yahoo! Sports

Like I said earlier, Mavs & Spurs might be the only 2 teams that show loyalty to their players.

[enigmatics]

TMac let it slip on The Jump today that Phoenix is going to max Capela. Judging from the reactions of Rachel Nichols and Ramona Shelbourne it was likely something they told him in confidence. I doubt Houston brings him back in that scenario which would seem to make CP3's negotiating position a little stronger. I can't see him getting more than four years regardless.

Yeeeeeeah no. Not happening.

Ayton's getting drafted and they're not throwing insane money at a guy who can't even crack the lineup consistently in the 4th quarter of playoff games.

[matt6715]

TMac let it slip on The Jump today that Phoenix is going to max Capela. Judging from the reactions of Rachel Nichols and Ramona Shelbourne it was likely something they told him in confidence. I doubt Houston brings him back in that scenario which would seem to make CP3's negotiating position a little stronger. I can't see him getting more than four years regardless.

Phoenix maxing Capela would likely mean Doncic, not Ayton at #1... Interesting.

[MaxRider]

He didn't pass Nets physical. He never took one. Nets waived that and took the risk. This is why his contract is constructed with so many restriction.

How many team show loyalty to all their players? Don't act like Parsons and Motiejunas are some kind of superstar and deserve special treatment. Hakeem is still very close to Les Alexander (Rockets owner at that time).

Where did you find out his physical was waived? All sources said he passed a physical, not waived a physical.

Here's woj:
After undergoing a physical with the Brooklyn Nets, Houston Rockets restricted free-agent forward Donatas Motiejunas is close to signing an offer sheet with the Nets, according to league sources.

An offer sheet could be signed as soon as Friday, league sources said.

Under league rules, the Rockets will have three days to match the offer and retain Motiejunas – or lose him to the Nets. Houston had been offering a deal in the $8 million annual range but short on guaranteed length.

Source: Adrian Wojnarowski / Yahoo! Sports

Like I said earlier, Mavs & Spurs might be the only 2 teams that show loyalty to their players.

Spurs? Team that underpaying Duncan, Parker, and Ginobili for years? Looks like their players show more loyal to the team. They traded George Hill for Kawhi Leonard. Don't act like they are saint.
Mavs? Nowtizki took a paycut so they can sign better player. Who do they got him? Overpaying Parsons, Matthews, and Barnes.

It's been awhile I don't remember where I got the info from. Don't it seem weird for a player to get a contract with so many restriction on how many games he played?

[MaxRider]

TMac let it slip on The Jump today that Phoenix is going to max Capela. Judging from the reactions of Rachel Nichols and Ramona Shelbourne it was likely something they told him in confidence. I doubt Houston brings him back in that scenario which would seem to make CP3's negotiating position a little stronger. I can't see him getting more than four years regardless.

Phoenix maxing Capela would likely mean Doncic, not Ayton at #1... Interesting.

I actually think Phoenix is better taking Bagley

[wco81]

TMac let it slip on The Jump today that Phoenix is going to max Capela. Judging from the reactions of Rachel Nichols and Ramona Shelbourne it was likely something they told him in confidence. I doubt Houston brings him back in that scenario which would seem to make CP3's negotiating position a little stronger. I can't see him getting more than four years regardless.

Phoenix maxing Capela would likely mean Doncic, not Ayton at #1... Interesting.

Which center can switch out on wings in the playoffs?

Capela seemed to do as well as any. Better than Gobert.

[quatin]

Spurs? Team that underpaying Duncan, Parker, and Ginobili for years? Looks like their players show more loyal to the team. They traded George Hill for Kawhi Leonard. Don't act like they are saint.
Mavs? Nowtizki took a paycut so they can sign better player. Who do they got him? Overpaying Parsons, Matthews, and Barnes.

It's been awhile I don't remember where I got the info from. Don't it seem weird for a player to get a contract with so many restriction on how many games he played?

The players were loyal to the team, because the owner was loyal to the players. A lot less BS drama comes up about Mavs or SA unlike Houston, which seems to happen every other season. Dirk took a paycut willingly so they can try to get better players. Cuban followed up. When that failed, he overpaid Dirk $26 million. You don't see Houston do that, in fact they lowballed Hakeem in his twilight years, not even offering market rate.

It seems like that's wrong. All the sources say he underwent a physical. There are not "many" restrictions on DMOs Nets offer. The bonuses were only $6 million out of a $37 million contract. It was only $750k per season if he played 70+ games.

[MaxRider]

Spurs? Team that underpaying Duncan, Parker, and Ginobili for years? Looks like their players show more loyal to the team. They traded George Hill for Kawhi Leonard. Don't act like they are saint.
Mavs? Nowtizki took a paycut so they can sign better player. Who do they got him? Overpaying Parsons, Matthews, and Barnes.

It's been awhile I don't remember where I got the info from. Don't it seem weird for a player to get a contract with so many restriction on how many games he played?

The players were loyal to the team, because the owner was loyal to the players. A lot less BS drama comes up about Mavs or SA unlike Houston, which seems to happen every other season. Dirk took a paycut willingly so they can try to get better players. Cuban followed up. When that failed, he overpaid Dirk $26 million. You don't see Houston do that, in fact they lowballed Hakeem in his twilight years, not even offering market rate.

It seems like that's wrong. All the sources say he underwent a physical. There are not "many" restrictions on DMOs Nets offer. The bonuses were only $6 million out of a $37 million contract. It was only $750k per season if he played 70+ games.

Did you miss Kawhi drama?

[MaxRider]

It seems like that's wrong. All the sources say he underwent a physical. There are not "many" restrictions on DMOs Nets offer. The bonuses were only $6 million out of a $37 million contract. It was only $750k per season if he played 70+ games.

https://www.netsdaily.com/2016/12/2/13825794/nets-sign-motiejunas-to-four-year-37-million-offer-sheet

3rd and 4th year team option
5 million guaranteed on first year
additional 3.5 million if not waive by 1/10
2nd year become guaranteed if not waive by 3/1
you're telling me this is the type of contract a healthy player will signed?

also said won't be disappointed if Rockets match the offer sheet
lol

[LAKESHOW]

TMac let it slip on The Jump today that Phoenix is going to max Capela. Judging from the reactions of Rachel Nichols and Ramona Shelbourne it was likely something they told him in confidence. I doubt Houston brings him back in that scenario which would seem to make CP3's negotiating position a little stronger. I can't see him getting more than four years regardless.

Do not underestimate the Love and appreciation the rockets have for Capella. He balled out for them during the playoffs. Played with heart and determination, and in game 7 showed up big time for them. To say that it's an easy release for the rockets is a false assumption. You also have to remember Dantonis defenses in the past. Without capella, it's a fast and easy freeway down the lane. The rockets know and realize that, and need that backdoor protection. His game and style fits perfectly within dantonis system, and with the beard and cp3

[og15]

The rockets are done. They missed their opportunity. Game 7 at home? Your not getting that chance again. Time to move aside and let Laker nation Rule once again.

How are the Lakers even one bit relevant to this?


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It would make sense for both sides to keep things flexible if the ultimate goal is winning it all. I don't know what kind of discount would be needed though, that will all depend on who else they want to get and that contract, etc

[MaxRider]

The rockets are done. They missed their opportunity. Game 7 at home? Your not getting that chance again. Time to move aside and let Laker nation Rule once again.

How are the Lakers even one bit relevant to this?


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It would make sense for both sides to keep things flexible if the ultimate goal is winning it all. I don't know what kind of discount would be needed though, that will all depend on who else they want to get and that contract, etc

Lakers fan
what do you expect?

[Effigy]

Hakeem requested the trade. He didn't want to be part of rebuilding.

That's not how I remember it at all. Rockets low balled Hakeem on his extension, which he turned down and then requested a trade. IE. Rockets cheaped out on Hakeem

Rockets offer D-Mo more money than Brooklyn offer. He wanted more. Rockets matched Brooklyn offer. Turn out Rockets don't have to pay the exact salary as Brooklyn offer (there is some bonus stuff going in there and Rockets don't have to pay). He refuse to show up in Houston to take his physical. He then play in New Orleans and suck.

With all the bonuses added in, the Brooklyn contract was worth more. To a guy who is 1 step out of the league, having a high "prove it" contract to a bottom team where he will get minutes is perfect. Morey played his "technically with the rules" and matched with a lower worth contract. DMO already was unhappy with his role in Houston. So Morey essentially undercut him to stick him on the bench. DMO eventually showed up to physicals, which Houston failed him on, despite Brooklyn giving him a pass. This voided his Brooklyn contract and he got bounced to New Orleans behind the brow on a minimum contract. Morey literally cost DMO $15million and didn't even get any assets in return.

Rockets would've match Parsons contract if Bosh actually sign with Houston. Beside that contract is hard for Rockets to trade him. Also, Rockets did him a favor by not picking up his 4th year so he get paid early.

Morey told Parsons he would get him paid early. Morey then told Parsons he would match any offer. Then he didn't. Houston has a history of negging on verbal deals. A lot of teams do. Which is why I said Dallas and SA are probably the only 2 teams where a player can work on those.

I don't know where you get your Hakeem story. It was clearly Rockets is rebuilding with Steve Francis and Hakeem still want to compete.

Rumor is if Parsons agent (same as Dwight Howard at that time) can convince Howard to sign with Houston, he would get Parsons paid. I don't remember the part Rockets promise to match. He did get paid.

Report is Rockets offer for Motiejunas is 8 million per for 2 years, but only 1st year is guaranteed. The Nets offer was 4 years 35 million but only 5 million is fully guaranteed. You can decide which offer is more. I don't know where did you get the part that cost him 15 million. Rockets don't have to pay him the bonus in Nets offer (4 million less). How is this Rockets fault when he can't stay healthy?

Houston had a team option on Parsons for $900,000. The rumored deal they made was if the agent could deliver Dwight, Houston would waive the team option.

[TacoLord]

The rockets are done. They missed their opportunity. Game 7 at home? Your not getting that chance again. Time to move aside and let Laker nation Rule once again.

How are the Lakers even one bit relevant to this?

Haven't met many Laker fans, eh?

[BasketMad]

He's a great point guard that will always get injured at the worst time. He's definitely not worth a long-term max contract since it's going to get even worse with age.

[quatin]

Did you miss Kawhi drama?

The Kwahi drama shows that SA cares for their players. They want their own medical staff to be rehabbing their own players. Last I checked, Kwahi said he wanted to re-sign. Cue me in again if he refuses to show up for his physical for SA. This attack against the reputation of SA is laughable. The Spurs at their worst is still better than most of the league at their best. Did you know the Spurs are voluntarily paying Tim Duncans full contract (including cap hit), despite being retired? Houston couldn't even retire Hakeem as a Rocket.

https://www.netsdaily.com/2016/12/2/13825794/nets-sign-motiejunas-to-four-year-37-million-offer-sheet

3rd and 4th year team option
5 million guaranteed on first year
additional 3.5 million if not waive by 1/10
2nd year become guaranteed if not waive by 3/1
you're telling me this is the type of contract a healthy player will signed?

also said won't be disappointed if Rockets match the offer sheet
lol

Except the Rockets didn't match the whole offer sheet. What are you trying to argue for again? That DMO was happy that the Rockets used technicalities to match with $6 million dollars less? Maybe he was so happy that he forgot to show up to the Rockets physical in the first place? The same non-guaranteed terms are given out to healthy players with questionable development.Ty Lawson was given a similar non-guaranteed contract in Houston despite being healthy, but with drinking problems.

Get over it. Rockets leave behind a trail of players who got soured to the management. I almost forgot about Asik. Didn't he have a verbal agreement in place to sign for less than market value, so he can have a starting spot? Then Houston signed Dwight and Asik demanded a trade and had a mysterious knee injury. No other team in the league, except maybe the Suns have had so many player issues with management in recent times. Blaming only the players in a string of management issues is like blaming the girlfriend in domestic abuse.