Woj: "Bulls to be a factor in July"

[League Circles]

I wonder what is the best case we could make for Lebron. I would think it would involve using trades including likely sending out multiple future picks to dump all of these guys:

Lopez (maybe stretched)
Asik (maybe stretched)
Holiday
Grant
Payne

Depending on whether we have to stretch any of them to get rid of them, we should have enough to add Lebron at the max plus another max or pretty close to max FA to team up with him, plus a room MLE vet role player. Giving us a rotation of:

LBJ
2nd max or near max FA
Lauri
Dunn
#7
Lavine (signed after LBJ and other FA to utilize his low cap hold)
Portis
Valentine
22
Room MLE vet
Felicio

IMO that is likely a real step up from the Cavs and lets him play Jordan.


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If LeBron indicates he'll come here, then we'll do whatever we need to do.

We gave away Kirk Hinrich and cash to create max cap space. The golden child and the "gold" so to speak. If LeBron wants to come here, we'll do whatever it takes.

Heck we have the perfect team to put up next to him.

Dunn / Payne / Trae Young
Holiday / Valentine
LeBron / #22
Lauri / Portis
Lopez / Felicio

With a bunch of ring seeking vets / LeBron jock-riders following in.

The question isn't will the Bulls do what is necessary if he's saying he'll come, the question is what could we do to maximize the chances that he'll come.

Perfect team? Wouldn't the perfect team for him have way better players than the roster you list?

[League Circles]

I wonder what is the best case we could make for Lebron. I would think it would involve using trades including likely sending out multiple future picks to dump all of these guys:

Lopez (maybe stretched)
Asik (maybe stretched)
Holiday
Grant
Payne

Depending on whether we have to stretch any of them to get rid of them, we should have enough to add Lebron at the max plus another max or pretty close to max FA to team up with him, plus a room MLE vet role player. Giving us a rotation of:

LBJ
2nd max or near max FA
Lauri
Dunn
#7
Lavine (signed after LBJ and other FA to utilize his low cap hold)
Portis
Valentine
22
Room MLE vet
Felicio

IMO that is likely a real step up from the Cavs and lets him play Jordan.


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If LeBron indicates he'll come here, then we'll do whatever we need to do.

We gave away Kirk Hinrich and cash to create max cap space. The golden child and the "gold" so to speak. If LeBron wants to come here, we'll do whatever it takes.

Heck we have the perfect team to put up next to him.

Dunn / Payne / Trae Young
Holiday / Valentine
LeBron / #22
Lauri / Portis
Lopez / Felicio

With a bunch of ring seeking vets / LeBron jock-riders following in.

He's not coming here. Why in the WORLD would LeBron with 3-4 realistic years left to compete wanna come to Chicago? every 4 years RealGM goes nuts about this stuff for no reason. Haven't we all learned at this point? After Melo '14, this should be clear by now.

LeBron has no great options for next year. I'm just trying to determine what our best look would be to try to get him.

[TankOverlord]

LeCast ran away crying from our pitch last time. This time I'd offer him $0 for 0 years and then tell him to go **** himself.

Dude's a loser and doesn't deserve to wear the same uniform as MJ.

[TheSuzerain]

If LeBron indicates he'll come here, then we'll do whatever we need to do.

We gave away Kirk Hinrich and cash to create max cap space. The golden child and the "gold" so to speak. If LeBron wants to come here, we'll do whatever it takes.

Heck we have the perfect team to put up next to him.

Dunn / Payne / Trae Young
Holiday / Valentine
LeBron / #22
Lauri / Portis
Lopez / Felicio

With a bunch of ring seeking vets / LeBron jock-riders following in.

He's not coming here. Why in the WORLD would LeBron with 3-4 realistic years left to compete wanna come to Chicago? every 4 years RealGM goes nuts about this stuff for no reason. Haven't we all learned at this point? After Melo '14, this should be clear by now.

LeBron has no great options for next year. I'm just trying to determine what our best look would be to try to get him.

Philly is a great option for next year.

[sco]

He's not coming here. Why in the WORLD would LeBron with 3-4 realistic years left to compete wanna come to Chicago? every 4 years RealGM goes nuts about this stuff for no reason. Haven't we all learned at this point? After Melo '14, this should be clear by now.

LeBron has no great options for next year. I'm just trying to determine what our best look would be to try to get him.

Philly is a great option for next year.

I agree Philly makes sense - cuz other than Boston, who else in the East makes sense (not Toronto or Washington IMO). That said, I think he's a bad fit with Simmons who is also ball dominant and lacks 3pt consistency.

IMO, the Bulls should see if they can help Boston by trading for Kyrie and Hayward.

[TheSuzerain]

LeBron has no great options for next year. I'm just trying to determine what our best look would be to try to get him.

Philly is a great option for next year.

I agree Philly makes sense - cuz other than Boston, who else in the East makes sense (not Toronto or Washington IMO). That said, I think he's a bad fit with Simmons who is also ball dominant and lacks 3pt consistency.

IMO, the Bulls should see if they can help Boston by trading for Kyrie and Hayward.

If we still had Butler, Kyrie would definitely have been an option next off-season. Kyrie already said he thinks his future is up in the air.

I don't think we have much of a shot at any Olympic guys from this generation. Nobody will want to play here.

[League Circles]

He's not coming here. Why in the WORLD would LeBron with 3-4 realistic years left to compete wanna come to Chicago? every 4 years RealGM goes nuts about this stuff for no reason. Haven't we all learned at this point? After Melo '14, this should be clear by now.

LeBron has no great options for next year. I'm just trying to determine what our best look would be to try to get him.

Philly is a great option for next year.

I disagree. Jumping on the bandwagon of some successful kids is not a good look for a legend like LeBron. But the real thing is that Simmons is basically a middle-class mans version of LeBron without any jumpshot. LeBron needs to play the role that Simmons is playing which leaves Simmons without a meaningful role for his skill-set. Then of course embiid is always injured.

[Chewie]

LeCast ran away crying from our pitch last time. This time I'd offer him $0 for 0 years and then tell him to go **** himself.

Dude's a loser and doesn't deserve to wear the same uniform as MJ.

I realize there's a vocal group here that would do anything to get LeBron on board but I can't root for a team with that douche on it. I'd take a break from basketball and the team I have lived and died with for the last 40+ years. I know I am not alone.

[TheSuzerain]

LeBron has no great options for next year. I'm just trying to determine what our best look would be to try to get him.

Philly is a great option for next year.

I disagree. Jumping on the bandwagon of some successful kids is not a good look for a legend like LeBron. But the real thing is that Simmons is basically a middle-class mans version of LeBron without any jumpshot. LeBron needs to play the role that Simmons is playing which leaves Simmons without a meaningful role for his skill-set. Then of course embiid is always injured.

The only look that matters to LeBron is winning a title (which at this point is synonymous with beating Golden State).

If LeBron is not going to be able to do that on a team, he's not signing with that team. This rules us out immediately. Hell, it probably rules out Cleveland.

Embiid would be the best player that LeBron has played with since Wade. And Embiid/LeBron is a much better fit than Wade/LeBron.

[League Circles]

Philly is a great option for next year.

I disagree. Jumping on the bandwagon of some successful kids is not a good look for a legend like LeBron. But the real thing is that Simmons is basically a middle-class mans version of LeBron without any jumpshot. LeBron needs to play the role that Simmons is playing which leaves Simmons without a meaningful role for his skill-set. Then of course embiid is always injured.

The only look that matters to LeBron is winning a title (which at this point is synonymous with beating Golden State).

If LeBron is not going to be able to do that on a team, he's not signing with that team. This rules us out immediately. Hell, it probably rules out Cleveland.

Embiid would be the best player that LeBron has played with since Wade. And Embiid/LeBron is a much better fit than Wade/LeBron.

Winning a title has not been the only looked at matter to him in the past and he is explicitly said that it is not the only thing that matters now. It's not even number one. That is his family concerns. I also really challenged the implication that we are excluded from something because he needs to join a team that can win a title. He probably can't join any team that can win a title. Also I reject the idea that embiid is some Ultra peeling player for him to play with. And beat it's just way too likely to be injured on and off especially when it matters for the rest of his career. Last recall from my post that we would be adding a second Max or near max player with him under our best proposal. That means adding somebody like Paul George or something along with him.

[TheSuzerain]

I disagree. Jumping on the bandwagon of some successful kids is not a good look for a legend like LeBron. But the real thing is that Simmons is basically a middle-class mans version of LeBron without any jumpshot. LeBron needs to play the role that Simmons is playing which leaves Simmons without a meaningful role for his skill-set. Then of course embiid is always injured.

The only look that matters to LeBron is winning a title (which at this point is synonymous with beating Golden State).

If LeBron is not going to be able to do that on a team, he's not signing with that team. This rules us out immediately. Hell, it probably rules out Cleveland.

Embiid would be the best player that LeBron has played with since Wade. And Embiid/LeBron is a much better fit than Wade/LeBron.

Winning a title has not been the only looked at matter to him in the past and he is explicitly said that it is not the only thing that matters now. It's not even number one. That is his family concerns. I also really challenged the implication that we are excluded from something because he needs to join a team that can win a title. He probably can't join any team that can win a title. Also I reject the idea that embiid is some Ultra peeling player for him to play with. And beat it's just way too likely to be injured on and off especially when it matters for the rest of his career. Last recall from my post that we would be adding a second Max or near max player with him under our best proposal. That means adding somebody like Paul George or something along with him.

LeBron to Chicago is absurd and not going to happen. Might as well talk about LeBron to Sacramento.

[League Circles]

The only look that matters to LeBron is winning a title (which at this point is synonymous with beating Golden State).

If LeBron is not going to be able to do that on a team, he's not signing with that team. This rules us out immediately. Hell, it probably rules out Cleveland.

Embiid would be the best player that LeBron has played with since Wade. And Embiid/LeBron is a much better fit than Wade/LeBron.

Winning a title has not been the only looked at matter to him in the past and he is explicitly said that it is not the only thing that matters now. It's not even number one. That is his family concerns. I also really challenged the implication that we are excluded from something because he needs to join a team that can win a title. He probably can't join any team that can win a title. Also I reject the idea that embiid is some Ultra peeling player for him to play with. And beat it's just way too likely to be injured on and off especially when it matters for the rest of his career. Last recall from my post that we would be adding a second Max or near max player with him under our best proposal. That means adding somebody like Paul George or something along with him.

LeBron to Chicago is absurd and not going to happen. Might as well talk about LeBron to Sacramento.

It's possible that it's the least absurd of several absurd Alternatives in my opinion.

I mean the roster that I proposed Stacks up decently with the rosters he joined in Miami and Cleveland the other two times he switched teams.

[TheSuzerain]

Winning a title has not been the only looked at matter to him in the past and he is explicitly said that it is not the only thing that matters now. It's not even number one. That is his family concerns. I also really challenged the implication that we are excluded from something because he needs to join a team that can win a title. He probably can't join any team that can win a title. Also I reject the idea that embiid is some Ultra peeling player for him to play with. And beat it's just way too likely to be injured on and off especially when it matters for the rest of his career. Last recall from my post that we would be adding a second Max or near max player with him under our best proposal. That means adding somebody like Paul George or something along with him.

LeBron to Chicago is absurd and not going to happen. Might as well talk about LeBron to Sacramento.

It's possible that it's the least absurd of several absurd Alternatives in my opinion.

I mean the roster that I proposed Stacks up decently with the rosters he joined in Miami and Cleveland the other two times he switched teams.

No it doesn't.

And if LeBron is just going to join forces with another Free Agent, it's going to happen in LA.

[weneeda2guard]

LeCast ran away crying from our pitch last time. This time I'd offer him $0 for 0 years and then tell him to go **** himself.

Dude's a loser and doesn't deserve to wear the same uniform as MJ.

dont like to make excuses but its difficult to fault the front office on not signing lebron or wade. philly has a advantage in their pitch, lebron has seen what kind of coach they have, talent etc for a season. so its more to evaluate than what we had in 2010, thibs was a new head coach, rose was not mvp rose yet, our defense was not there yet, we where still relatively young etc. if free agency was 1 year later , 1 year of thibs, rose takes that next step, defense is 1st in the league, rebounding top 3 in the league, etc, then our pitch could have been a ton better for lebron , wade and whoever else.

i dont think lebron has us on his short list, but front office can get a pass for not getting it done in 2010. now, they legit dropped the ball for melo in 2014 though. they should have made deals and got melo his money.

[League Circles]

LeBron to Chicago is absurd and not going to happen. Might as well talk about LeBron to Sacramento.

It's possible that it's the least absurd of several absurd Alternatives in my opinion.

I mean the roster that I proposed Stacks up decently with the rosters he joined in Miami and Cleveland the other two times he switched teams.

No it doesn't.

And if LeBron is just going to join forces with another Free Agent, it's going to happen in LA.

Agree to disagree on how the rosters Stack Up. I'm confused as to why you are treating teaming up with another free agent as some sort of unique circumstance that would violate your previous claim about him only going to a place where he can win a title.

[weneeda2guard]

only way i can see any shot of us getting lebron is if we 1st land another star. maybe you clear enough space to go hard after lebron and cp3 and sign wade for cheap, trade for melo. i doubt that is the plan though.

i think we add some pieces this year, clear the decks and do the free agency thing next season. which makes more sense. get a solid year for the league to see what we really are when we are not purposely losing and sabotaging and messing up rotations sitting players etc to lose and tank. lebron cp3 melo are all on they last legs, its equivalent of when the nets brought in kg and piece and joe johnson. they dont have the legs to get past the warriors and they are old enough for some young prime team to take them out in the 2nd rd like we did brooklyn a few years ago. we need to build a young core 1st then add some vets. that young core is who is eventually going to take the warriors out.

[weneeda2guard]

I wonder what is the best case we could make for Lebron. I would think it would involve using trades including likely sending out multiple future picks to dump all of these guys:

Lopez (maybe stretched)
Asik (maybe stretched)
Holiday
Grant
Payne

Depending on whether we have to stretch any of them to get rid of them, we should have enough to add Lebron at the max plus another max or pretty close to max FA to team up with him, plus a room MLE vet role player. Giving us a rotation of:

LBJ
2nd max or near max FA
Lauri
Dunn
#7
Lavine (signed after LBJ and other FA to utilize his low cap hold)
Portis
Valentine
22
Room MLE vet
Felicio

IMO that is likely a real step up from the Cavs and lets him play Jordan.


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its a option, but the problem is lebron didnt get a chance to see what we really are due to us tanking. if the bulls went this route it would have to be a package deal where we could bring in another star. i think if the bulls could pull of a kawhi trade that would make lebron open his eyes. but i just dont think garpax has the savvy to pull that kind of deal off.

[League Circles]

only way i can see any shot of us getting lebron is if we 1st land another star. maybe you clear enough space to go hard after lebron and cp3 and sign wade for cheap, trade for melo. i doubt that is the plan though.

i think we add some pieces this year, clear the decks and do the free agency thing next season. which makes more sense. get a solid year for the league to see what we really are when we are not purposely losing and sabotaging and messing up rotations sitting players etc to lose and tank. lebron cp3 melo are all on they last legs, its equivalent of when the nets brought in kg and piece and joe johnson. they dont have the legs to get past the warriors and they are old enough for some young prime team to take them out in the 2nd rd like we did brooklyn a few years ago. we need to build a young core 1st then add some vets. that young core is who is eventually going to take the warriors out.

If we were to add lebron plus another star (or any 2 stars for that matter), it would almost certainly be simultaneously rather than sequentially IMO.

[musiqsoulchild]

I wonder what is the best case we could make for Lebron. I would think it would involve using trades including likely sending out multiple future picks to dump all of these guys:

Lopez (maybe stretched)
Asik (maybe stretched)
Holiday
Grant
Payne

Depending on whether we have to stretch any of them to get rid of them, we should have enough to add Lebron at the max plus another max or pretty close to max FA to team up with him, plus a room MLE vet role player. Giving us a rotation of:

LBJ
2nd max or near max FA
Lauri
Dunn
#7
Lavine (signed after LBJ and other FA to utilize his low cap hold)
Portis
Valentine
22
Room MLE vet
Felicio

IMO that is likely a real step up from the Cavs and lets him play Jordan.


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If LeBron indicates he'll come here, then we'll do whatever we need to do.

We gave away Kirk Hinrich and cash to create max cap space. The golden child and the "gold" so to speak. If LeBron wants to come here, we'll do whatever it takes.

Heck we have the perfect team to put up next to him.

Dunn / Payne / Trae Young
Holiday / Valentine
LeBron / #22
Lauri / Portis
Lopez / Felicio

With a bunch of ring seeking vets / LeBron jock-riders following in.

The question isn't will the Bulls do what is necessary if he's saying he'll come, the question is what could we do to maximize the chances that he'll come.

Perfect team? Wouldn't the perfect team for him have way better players than the roster you list?

The perfect team for LeBron requires smart players who will ONLY listen to him.

[League Circles]

If LeBron indicates he'll come here, then we'll do whatever we need to do.

We gave away Kirk Hinrich and cash to create max cap space. The golden child and the "gold" so to speak. If LeBron wants to come here, we'll do whatever it takes.

Heck we have the perfect team to put up next to him.

Dunn / Payne / Trae Young
Holiday / Valentine
LeBron / #22
Lauri / Portis
Lopez / Felicio

With a bunch of ring seeking vets / LeBron jock-riders following in.

The question isn't will the Bulls do what is necessary if he's saying he'll come, the question is what could we do to maximize the chances that he'll come.

Perfect team? Wouldn't the perfect team for him have way better players than the roster you list?

The perfect team for LeBron requires smart players who will ONLY listen to him.

Talent doesn't factor into it? And what makes those players so smart and subservient relative to other rosters?