Frank Ntilikina - Sophomore Year

[thebuzzardman]

sometimes you forget the flashes this kid showed passing the ball. he was really fukkin good this game.

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Exactly why is he is long-term PG. Fucc outta here with the off-ball SG bs.

even worse that some already wanna move him to the 3

Two schools of thought on people who are moving him to 2 or 3 (I think)

Large portion of anti Frank Knick fans who think he sucks and doesn't have "it" in terms of driving the ball, aggression etc etc, so they want him at SG or PG to limit the damage and so they get some offensive favorite in his place. Smaller group who don't think he sucks but that his all around skill set profiles better at SG or SF and a "real" playmaker is needed at PG.

The pro PG group are another group of fans who feel like he has a good feel for the game as a PG, if not all the driving and aggression, which in part are limited by ability but also in large part because of a team first mentality and differential manner as a result of that but also in part because of personality, age and culture change. This group is banking on those attributes mixing with true untapped potential which will yield a good player. Further splits occur over just how good that team first player will be, from solid, to very good to awesome (smallest group of all).

And then there was Kinglee, who I'm pretty sure was convinced Frank boned his mom.

[Tron Carter]

I love frank because he’s the type of pg who can get everyone involved without dominating the ball. it’s a reason why I loved lonzo coming out of college as well. they are the type of passers who always have their heads up and get the ball out of their hands quickly. they don’t have to dribble the air out of the ball like a Westbrook or Harden. run the pick and roll efficiently and find open cutters.

[DOT]

Exactly why is he is long-term PG. Fucc outta here with the off-ball SG bs.

even worse that some already wanna move him to the 3

Two schools of thought on people who are moving him to 2 or 3 (I think)

Large portion of anti Frank Knick fans who think he sucks and doesn't have "it" in terms of driving the ball, aggression etc etc, so they want him at SG or PG to limit the damage and so they get some offensive favorite in his place. Smaller group who don't think he sucks but that his all around skill set profiles better at SG or SF and a "real" playmaker is needed at PG.

The pro PG group are another group of fans who feel like he has a good feel for the game as a PG, if not all the driving and aggression, which in part are limited by ability but also in large part because of a team first mentality and differential manner as a result of that but also in part because of personality, age and culture change. This group is banking on those attributes mixing with true untapped potential which will yield a good player. Further splits occur over just how good that team first player will be, from solid, to very good to awesome (smallest group of all).

And then there was Kinglee, who I'm pretty sure was convinced Frank boned his mom.

I see it as, he's a combo guard on offense, he has the vision to be a PG, but not the handles, so he'll need another playmaker next to him, but on defense he has insane potential when guarding opposing PGs, especially in today's game where forcing a mismatch from screens is a huge part of offenses. Against SGs, he's good defensively, but it's more valuable for him to be on the PG

If we're gonna pair him up with another PG, I don't want a small, defensively challenged guard like Burke or Trae Young, I want a guard that is big enough to defend either guard position, and has some playmaking ability. Which is why I like SGA in the draft as a trade down option, he checks all the boxes

Also, RIP Kinglee. Dude was one of the funnier posters on the board

[thebuzzardman]

even worse that some already wanna move him to the 3

Two schools of thought on people who are moving him to 2 or 3 (I think)

Large portion of anti Frank Knick fans who think he sucks and doesn't have "it" in terms of driving the ball, aggression etc etc, so they want him at SG or PG to limit the damage and so they get some offensive favorite in his place. Smaller group who don't think he sucks but that his all around skill set profiles better at SG or SF and a "real" playmaker is needed at PG.

The pro PG group are another group of fans who feel like he has a good feel for the game as a PG, if not all the driving and aggression, which in part are limited by ability but also in large part because of a team first mentality and differential manner as a result of that but also in part because of personality, age and culture change. This group is banking on those attributes mixing with true untapped potential which will yield a good player. Further splits occur over just how good that team first player will be, from solid, to very good to awesome (smallest group of all).

And then there was Kinglee, who I'm pretty sure was convinced Frank boned his mom.

I see it as, he's a combo guard on offense, he has the vision to be a PG, but not the handles, so he'll need another playmaker next to him, but on defense he has insane potential when guarding opposing PGs, especially in today's game where forcing a mismatch from screens is a huge part of offenses. Against SGs, he's good defensively, but it's more valuable for him to be on the PG

If we're gonna pair him up with another PG, I don't want a small, defensively challenged guard like Burke or Trae Young, I want a guard that is big enough to defend either guard position, and has some playmaking ability. Which is why I like SGA in the draft as a trade down option, he checks all the boxes

Also, RIP Kinglee. Dude was one of the funnier posters on the board

All good points. In my mind, your variation is part of 2nd group of posters who aren't totally into Frank as a PG but like how his playmaking profiles, but pretty sure I didn't really articulate that in there

Kinglee - Sometimes he irked me, but he'd make some good points, but would revert to self righteous thing which had to be his downfall. I liked to bust on him but actually enjoyed the back and forth.

[Manhattan Project]

Knick fans: "I wish we'd swing for the fences and draft a project but develop him"

Knicks draft project

Knick fans: "This guy sucks"

It's either that or hey we got a steal in Landry Fields.
One put back dunk.
UNTOUCHABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The trick is being able to find the fans that can see things for what they really are.

[1999]

Two schools of thought on people who are moving him to 2 or 3 (I think)

Large portion of anti Frank Knick fans who think he sucks and doesn't have "it" in terms of driving the ball, aggression etc etc, so they want him at SG or PG to limit the damage and so they get some offensive favorite in his place. Smaller group who don't think he sucks but that his all around skill set profiles better at SG or SF and a "real" playmaker is needed at PG.

The pro PG group are another group of fans who feel like he has a good feel for the game as a PG, if not all the driving and aggression, which in part are limited by ability but also in large part because of a team first mentality and differential manner as a result of that but also in part because of personality, age and culture change. This group is banking on those attributes mixing with true untapped potential which will yield a good player. Further splits occur over just how good that team first player will be, from solid, to very good to awesome (smallest group of all).

And then there was Kinglee, who I'm pretty sure was convinced Frank boned his mom.

I see it as, he's a combo guard on offense, he has the vision to be a PG, but not the handles, so he'll need another playmaker next to him, but on defense he has insane potential when guarding opposing PGs, especially in today's game where forcing a mismatch from screens is a huge part of offenses. Against SGs, he's good defensively, but it's more valuable for him to be on the PG

If we're gonna pair him up with another PG, I don't want a small, defensively challenged guard like Burke or Trae Young, I want a guard that is big enough to defend either guard position, and has some playmaking ability. Which is why I like SGA in the draft as a trade down option, he checks all the boxes

Also, RIP Kinglee. Dude was one of the funnier posters on the board

All good points. In my mind, your variation is part of 2nd group of posters who aren't totally into Frank as a PG but like how his playmaking profiles, but pretty sure I didn't really articulate that in there

Kinglee - Sometimes he irked me, but he'd make some good points, but would revert to self righteous thing which had to be his downfall. I liked to bust on him but actually enjoyed the back and forth.

What happened to kinglee? Perma ban?


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[Tron Carter]

[fatalogic]

I know it's a tough angle but if they are both listed at 6'6 right now, Frank looks broader. Dotson is listed at 205lbs so I wonder what Frank is at now.

[Juco24]

Damn! Dotson looks beefy as well!!! Wow, great job guys!!

[Jalen Bluntson]

nobody talking bout KP2 in the pic? Swole city!!! That is him right?

[Juco24]

nobody talking bout KP2 in the pic? Swole city!!! That is him right?

Lol. Uummmm he's sweating hard! Keep it up Luke!!

[levendis]

meanwhile...

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[Nazrmohamed]

I know it's a tough angle but if they are both listed at 6'6 right now, Frank looks broader. Dotson is listed at 205lbs so I wonder what Frank is at now.

Dotson is 6'5 and that might even be rounded up. He's also not a long player but solid. Remember he was a 23 yr old rookie. But in any case, Frank looks huge. Can't wait.

[KnicksGadfly]

I mean what did people expect? When we drafted Frank he was going to be a project, you knew his rookie year was going to be not as stellar as some of his fellow draft mates. However Frank is starting to look the part of a NBA player, no strength and conditioning up until this year. He's putting in the work to transform his body, he's putting in the work to improve his game.

He's looking the part of a NBA player. Talent with Frank isn't the problem, it's confidence and mental. I'm expecting a nice step forward from him next year and year three he really emerges as an great two way player. Just imagine, he's going to be even better defensively next year because of the strength.

Knick fans: "I wish we'd swing for the fences and draft a project but develop him"

Knicks draft project

Knick fans: "This guy sucks"

Knicks fans: “let’s combine all the Knicks fans with their various opinions on this board into one poster and create a straw man so I can sound smart and point out how they disagree with each other”


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[F N 11]

Small sample size of dominance with Kp and Frank is enough for me. Kid is a Point Guard. Get Mikal in here.

[thebuzzardman]

I mean what did people expect? When we drafted Frank he was going to be a project, you knew his rookie year was going to be not as stellar as some of his fellow draft mates. However Frank is starting to look the part of a NBA player, no strength and conditioning up until this year. He's putting in the work to transform his body, he's putting in the work to improve his game.

He's looking the part of a NBA player. Talent with Frank isn't the problem, it's confidence and mental. I'm expecting a nice step forward from him next year and year three he really emerges as an great two way player. Just imagine, he's going to be even better defensively next year because of the strength.

Knick fans: "I wish we'd swing for the fences and draft a project but develop him"

Knicks draft project

Knick fans: "This guy sucks"

Knicks fans: “let’s combine all the Knicks fans with their various opinions on this board into one poster and create a straw man so I can sound smart and point out how they disagree with each other”


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Or it could be that you missed that it's exaggerating to make a joke.

[Clyde_Style]

The Mudiay Pedicure is sad funny. The guy obviously is completely clueless that people would take that as a bad omen. Which it probably is. Nobody cares anyway I guess. He'lll be a practice player for one season and then gone unless Fiz is some kind of miracle worker

[Moose]

The Mudiay Pedicure is sad funny. The guy obviously is completely clueless that people would take that as a bad omen. Which it probably is. Nobody cares anyway I guess. He'lll be a practice player for one season and then gone unless Fiz is some kind of miracle worker

To be fair, I assume most of these players get this sort of treatment. Their feet get beat up and they have to (or at least should) take care if them.

But it also doesn't mean you have to post a video about it

[Clyde_Style]

The Mudiay Pedicure is sad funny. The guy obviously is completely clueless that people would take that as a bad omen. Which it probably is. Nobody cares anyway I guess. He'lll be a practice player for one season and then gone unless Fiz is some kind of miracle worker

To be fair, I assume most of these players get this sort of treatment. Their feet get beat up and they have to (or at least should) take care if them.

But it also doesn't mean you have to post a video about it

Would have been much more entertaining though if he posted a video of him giggling in a Michael Jackson voice, "I'm so ticklish!" while getting one of these fish pedictures

[NYKAL]

Small sample size of dominance with Kp and Frank is enough for me. Kid is a Point Guard. Get Mikal in here.