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Draft Thread 13 - The Field Thins

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Re: Draft Thread 13 - The Field Thins 

Post#1521 » by NoLayupRule » Wed Jun 13, 2018 6:45 pm

Jay10 wrote:
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okay.

Let's have a player coming off a torn ACL defend quicker guards on the perimeter.
classic false narrative

No one ever suggested what you are saying


what false narrative?

If Kristaps plays the power forward this year, he's guaranteed to defend quicker players on the perimeter.

Better pray the person he's guarding on the perimeter shows him mercy.

The problem you are baiting and switching to is not a problem of Kp and the false claim of his lack of quickness

The issue is that Pfs and centers shouldn’t be set up to guard quick players on the perrimiter every time there is a pick or screen

You might as well cry about franks lack of ability to guard and rebound against the leagues strongest Pfs and centers
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Re: Draft Thread 13 - The Field Thins 

Post#1522 » by Jay10 » Wed Jun 13, 2018 6:58 pm

NoLayupRule wrote:
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NoLayupRule wrote:classic false narrative

No one ever suggested what you are saying


what false narrative?

If Kristaps plays the power forward this year, he's guaranteed to defend quicker players on the perimeter.

Better pray the person he's guarding on the perimeter shows him mercy.

The problem you are baiting and switching to is not a problem of Kp and the false claim of his lack of quickness

The issue is that Pfs and centers shouldn’t be set up to guard quick players on the perrimiter every time there is a pick or screen

You might as well cry about franks lack of ability to guard and rebound against the leagues strongest Pfs and centers


Frank isn't guarding power forwards and centers because that isn't his strength (physically).

If Kristaps' strength is blocking shots, what the hell is he doing playing a position that doesn't take advantage of his strength?
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Re: Draft Thread 13 - The Field Thins 

Post#1523 » by BLACKFEET 2010 » Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:02 pm

The top five guys will not drop.
Nobody with a top five pick is looking a gift horse in the mouth. Chicago has never struck me as a savvy front office in terms of manipulating the media; they’ve been pretty deliberate. Carter at 6 and Hutch at 22. Orlando needs Trae. Cleveland will pick one of Carter, Sexton or Mikal. They’re a trade back candidate. I think if we leverage Timmy’s actual production and upside and take back a shorter bad contract of a less productive player we can move up without including another draft pick or Frank. This is all assuming Porter really is the target. Timmy and 9 for Parsons and 4, ok a reach. First tier guys available there. But 6, 7 or 8 are ripe for a fair trade. Scott go get your guy.
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Re: Draft Thread 13 - The Field Thins 

Post#1524 » by NoLayupRule » Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:03 pm

Jay10 wrote:
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what false narrative?

If Kristaps plays the power forward this year, he's guaranteed to defend quicker players on the perimeter.

Better pray the person he's guarding on the perimeter shows him mercy.

The problem you are baiting and switching to is not a problem of Kp and the false claim of his lack of quickness

The issue is that Pfs and centers shouldn’t be set up to guard quick players on the perrimiter every time there is a pick or screen

You might as well cry about franks lack of ability to guard and rebound against the leagues strongest Pfs and centers


Frank isn't guarding power forwards and centers because that isn't his strength.

If Kristaps' strength is blocking shots, what the hell is he doing playing a position that doesn't take advantage of his strength?

You’re constantly creating these false stories and adjusting the narrative to hide that you are confused, as you said yourself

You claim the issue is that KP shouldn’t be guarding fast players
But then you can’t follow the concept to understand that the switch is when this happens and therefore it’s a mismatch for whoever is on the other side of the switch as well

Unless you’re under the impression that the Knicks are playing KP as a guard

Porzingis is playing power forward or center
He will always put one of those two positions

If opposing offenses want to create a mismatch with him against a small quicker player than that is something we will have to deal with regardless of where we have him slotted

If you were trying to make an argument that we should not draft another center or big and that’s one thing but to create this false claim and repeat it over and over and over again doesn’t do that.
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Re: Draft Thread 13 - The Field Thins 

Post#1525 » by BLACKFEET 2010 » Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:03 pm

OR....trade back and get two top 21 picks.
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Re: Draft Thread 13 - The Field Thins 

Post#1526 » by Clyde_Style » Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:04 pm

K-DOT wrote:
K P 6 wrote:Mikal posted a pic and his legs looks super super skinny

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That's Tyson though, but nice try
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Re: Draft Thread 13 - The Field Thins 

Post#1527 » by Fat » Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:07 pm

yall do know defense is team oriented you can put a small ball 4 next to kp and we would still get lit up from 3 it only takes one for the dominoes to fall. KP playing the 4 is not why we were not a good defense. Jack/hardaway are not defenders you defense is already screwed in the backcourt that puts extra pressure on your front court to pickup your defensive lapses

Kanter is not a defender either that puts additional pressure on your help defender in porzingis to not only concentrate on whats happening on the perimeter but now he has to try and cheat off his man in order to save face at the rim.
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Re: Draft Thread 13 - The Field Thins 

Post#1528 » by Clyde_Style » Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:08 pm

NoLayupRule wrote:
Jay10 wrote:
NoLayupRule wrote:The problem you are baiting and switching to is not a problem of Kp and the false claim of his lack of quickness

The issue is that Pfs and centers shouldn’t be set up to guard quick players on the perrimiter every time there is a pick or screen

You might as well cry about franks lack of ability to guard and rebound against the leagues strongest Pfs and centers


Frank isn't guarding power forwards and centers because that isn't his strength.

If Kristaps' strength is blocking shots, what the hell is he doing playing a position that doesn't take advantage of his strength?

You’re constantly creating these false stories and adjusting the narrative to hide that you are confused, as you said yourself

You claim the issue is that KP shouldn’t be guarding fast players
But then you can’t follow the concept to understand that the switch is when this happens and therefore it’s a mismatch for whoever is on the other side of the switch as well

Unless you’re under the impression that the Knicks are playing KP as a guard

Porzingis is playing power forward or center
He will always put one of those two positions

If opposing offenses want to create a mismatch with him against a small quicker player than that is something we will have to deal with regardless of where we have him slotted

If you were trying to make an argument that we should not draft another center or big and that’s one thing but to create this false claim and repeat it over and over and over again doesn’t do that.


On defense, KP will always be a case of giveth vs. taketh

At his height and build, the laws of physics will always have him being outquicked some of the time on the perimeter

The only workaround is having a starting unit with impressive wingspans and good defensive instincts to stop the gaps when they occur

but KP will always get beat on the perimeter multiple times per game no matter what our roster construction is
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Re: Draft Thread 13 - The Field Thins 

Post#1529 » by Fat » Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:12 pm

The sad part is the knicks wouldnt even thrive with small ball you NEED a dominant threat on the perimeter to cause havoc and get your shooters open. The knicks have nothing like this on there roster, you might as well draft Miles Bridges because he's the closes one that can cause that kind of havoc once he puts the ball on the floor and makes a move towards the rim which opens the gates for the rest of your offense and he can fill that void at small forward.
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Re: Draft Thread 13 - The Field Thins 

Post#1530 » by Jay10 » Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:15 pm

Nyk_Fatboy wrote:The sad part is the knicks wouldnt even thrive with small ball you NEED a dominant threat on the perimeter to cause havoc and get your shooters open. The knicks have nothing like this on there roster, you might as well draft Miles Bridges because he's the closes one that can cause that kind of havoc once he puts the ball on the floor and makes a move towards the rim which opens the gates for the rest of your offense.


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Re: Draft Thread 13 - The Field Thins 

Post#1531 » by thebuzzardman » Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:16 pm

K-DOT wrote:
K P 6 wrote:Mikal posted a pic and his legs looks super super skinny

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Re: Draft Thread 13 - The Field Thins 

Post#1532 » by Fat » Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:21 pm

Jay10 wrote:
Nyk_Fatboy wrote:The sad part is the knicks wouldnt even thrive with small ball you NEED a dominant threat on the perimeter to cause havoc and get your shooters open. The knicks have nothing like this on there roster, you might as well draft Miles Bridges because he's the closes one that can cause that kind of havoc once he puts the ball on the floor and makes a move towards the rim which opens the gates for the rest of your offense.


THJr.




this guy that was depressed in his interviews because he was in a big slump and couldn't hit a shot? no thank you lol timmy belongs in a 6th man role as does trey burke.

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Re: Draft Thread 13 - The Field Thins 

Post#1533 » by NoLayupRule » Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:21 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:
NoLayupRule wrote:
Jay10 wrote:
Frank isn't guarding power forwards and centers because that isn't his strength.

If Kristaps' strength is blocking shots, what the hell is he doing playing a position that doesn't take advantage of his strength?

You’re constantly creating these false stories and adjusting the narrative to hide that you are confused, as you said yourself

You claim the issue is that KP shouldn’t be guarding fast players
But then you can’t follow the concept to understand that the switch is when this happens and therefore it’s a mismatch for whoever is on the other side of the switch as well

Unless you’re under the impression that the Knicks are playing KP as a guard

Porzingis is playing power forward or center
He will always put one of those two positions

If opposing offenses want to create a mismatch with him against a small quicker player than that is something we will have to deal with regardless of where we have him slotted

If you were trying to make an argument that we should not draft another center or big and that’s one thing but to create this false claim and repeat it over and over and over again doesn’t do that.


On defense, KP will always be a case of giveth vs. taketh

At his height and build, the laws of physics will always have him being outquicked some of the time on the perimeter

The only workaround is having a starting unit with impressive wingspans and good defensive instincts to stop the gaps when they occur

but KP will always get beat on the perimeter multiple times per game no matter what our roster construction is

Sure
Exploiting mismatches and running pick and rolls are a big part of the game along with iso and post ups.

Hopefully we can learn to exploit a mismatch here and there on our end
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Re: Draft Thread 13 - The Field Thins 

Post#1534 » by HEZI » Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:23 pm

Nyk_Fatboy wrote:yall do know defense is team oriented you can put a small ball 4 next to kp and we would still get lit up from 3 it only takes one for the dominoes to fall. KP playing the 4 is not why we were not a good defense. Jack/hardaway are not defenders you defense is already screwed in the backcourt that puts extra pressure on your front court to pickup your defensive lapses

Kanter is not a defender either that puts additional pressure on your help defender in porzingis to not only concentrate on whats happening on the perimeter but now he has to try and cheat off his man in order to save face at the rim.


It's not even just the defense for me, I want them to play A LOT faster. I'm sick of this team being slow and always playing in the half court while teams just kill us in transition with quickness and versatility. I want some horses that can get up and down the floor with the best of them, I don't see how having two centers makes us more dynamic on offense. The only big that I really see being able to provide that type of versatility for us would be Marvin Bagley
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Re: Draft Thread 13 - The Field Thins 

Post#1535 » by Jay10 » Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:25 pm

Nyk_Fatboy wrote:
Jay10 wrote:
Nyk_Fatboy wrote:The sad part is the knicks wouldnt even thrive with small ball you NEED a dominant threat on the perimeter to cause havoc and get your shooters open. The knicks have nothing like this on there roster, you might as well draft Miles Bridges because he's the closes one that can cause that kind of havoc once he puts the ball on the floor and makes a move towards the rim which opens the gates for the rest of your offense.


THJr.




this guy that was depressed in his interviews because he was in a big slump and couldn't hit a shot? no thank you lol timmy belongs in a 6th man role as does trey burke.

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The strange thing about THJr., is the man can get to the basket but settles for jumpers on every trip.
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Re: Draft Thread 13 - The Field Thins 

Post#1536 » by jvsimonetti0514 » Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:27 pm

Nyk_Fatboy wrote:The sad part is the knicks wouldnt even thrive with small ball you NEED a dominant threat on the perimeter to cause havoc and get your shooters open. The knicks have nothing like this on there roster, you might as well draft Miles Bridges because he's the closes one that can cause that kind of havoc once he puts the ball on the floor and makes a move towards the rim which opens the gates for the rest of your offense and he can fill that void at small forward.


That's why I'm leaning toward Sexton and Walker at 9. We still need more guys to get that can get into the paint and get the defense rotating.
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Re: Draft Thread 13 - The Field Thins 

Post#1537 » by WajaBawl » Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:28 pm

Jay10 wrote:
Nyk_Fatboy wrote:
Jay10 wrote:
THJr.




this guy that was depressed in his interviews because he was in a big slump and couldn't hit a shot? no thank you lol timmy belongs in a 6th man role as does trey burke.

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The strange thing about THJr., is the man can get to the basket but settles for jumpers on every trip.


It's not that strange tbh. He's a bench scorer. Sometimes he'll have it, sometimes he won't.
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Re: Draft Thread 13 - The Field Thins 

Post#1538 » by dakomish23 » Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:28 pm

Nyk_Fatboy wrote:
Jay10 wrote:
Nyk_Fatboy wrote:The sad part is the knicks wouldnt even thrive with small ball you NEED a dominant threat on the perimeter to cause havoc and get your shooters open. The knicks have nothing like this on there roster, you might as well draft Miles Bridges because he's the closes one that can cause that kind of havoc once he puts the ball on the floor and makes a move towards the rim which opens the gates for the rest of your offense.


THJr.




this guy that was depressed in his interviews because he was in a big slump and couldn't hit a shot? no thank you lol timmy belongs in a 6th man role as does trey burke.

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Re: Draft Thread 13 - The Field Thins 

Post#1540 » by vallen » Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:31 pm

Jay10 wrote:
NoLayupRule wrote:
Jay10 wrote:
what false narrative?

If Kristaps plays the power forward this year, he's guaranteed to defend quicker players on the perimeter.

Better pray the person he's guarding on the perimeter shows him mercy.

The problem you are baiting and switching to is not a problem of Kp and the false claim of his lack of quickness

The issue is that Pfs and centers shouldn’t be set up to guard quick players on the perrimiter every time there is a pick or screen

You might as well cry about franks lack of ability to guard and rebound against the leagues strongest Pfs and centers


Frank isn't guarding power forwards and centers because that isn't his strength (physically).

If Kristaps' strength is blocking shots, what the hell is he doing playing a position that doesn't take advantage of his strength?




He earned the strength of blocking shots while playing the 4.
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