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Draft Thread 13 - The Field Thins

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Mikal
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Re: Draft Thread 13 - The Field Thins 

Post#1581 » by Fat » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:37 pm

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E-Balla wrote:Porter doesn't have handles stop lying bro. He's 6-11 with a jumper. Nothing else.




if he aint got handle i dont want to hear nothing about knox, miles, or mikal having handle because that looks alot more fluid than any of those guys with the ball


He barely dribbled in that video...Just basic stuff.


It’s still a indication of more pure control than those other guys. Whom basic dribbles look more loose

Remember that c Brickley video with Mikal showcasing his basic dribbles that was taken down? I don’t know if anyone still has it maybe illmatic does but they weren’t better than porters handle

Knox handle looks basic in his workouts as well

Miles got some handle but I always seen him more of an athletic power player. Not the dribbler type

I don’t agree porter doesn’t have handle I think he has the best handle out of all of them they need work but I don’t think he just doesn’t have any like balla proclaims.
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Re: Draft Thread 13 - The Field Thins 

Post#1582 » by BLACKFEET 2010 » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:37 pm

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Meh. I remember similar talk about Patrick Patterson. One guy said he spoke like a future senator.
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Re: Draft Thread 13 - The Field Thins 

Post#1583 » by god shammgod » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:37 pm

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he's not gonna be there when we draft...is he ?
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Re: Draft Thread 13 - The Field Thins 

Post#1584 » by magnumt » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:41 pm

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IN on Knox. The shot will translate. The off ball movement will translate. Just needs some more confidence.


Like I've said before, MPJr's injury risk scares me given our medical staff's history. I'd prefer Knox over MPJr, but I'd still root for whomever we Draft.

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Re: Draft Thread 13 - The Field Thins 

Post#1585 » by thebuzzardman » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:43 pm

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FrontOfficeEye wrote:I don't think there's a need to trade up, unless the price is fair. Trading a 2019 unprotected pick, or one that is not heavily protected, is a non-starter.


This draft is every thing for the new Front Office. If they bring a "pretty good" guy that doesn't turn the Knicks into playoff contender but even worse, they are just good enough to miss the playoffs.

There is no tomorrow.


If they bring in a pretty good guy that is a rotation / starting piece going forward, they're making the right step in a year in which KP is going to miss a huge chunk of the season. There is absolutely no reason to rush and make a rash decision like trading away assets to move up in the draft, when the Knicks will be terrible next year and have a high pick. Adding someone like Mikal, who I think the Knicks ultimately end up with, is the perfect piece for this roster. Add him this year, add a SG next year, and you have the backcourt set going forward. Or add Mikal this year, add a PF next year, and try to get a SG in FA (I consider THJr a 6th man on a good team, if that).

No reason to be short-sided here. Add rotation piece this year, let KP come back healthy on his own time without rushing (let him get some PT next year, but focusing on health), and go for playoffs in 2019-20. More cap space, a healthy KP, better Frank, 2nd year rookie from this year, rookie from next year, etc. Knicks aren't making the playoffs this year, and shouldn't try to. Don't trade picks.


Is Donic enough of a scorer/facilitator/culture changer to give up a pick in another year to get him? Not that it's happening - just the hypothetical. Or is the talent not quite enough to where losing a future pick isn't worth it?
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Re: Draft Thread 13 - The Field Thins 

Post#1586 » by knickstape4ever » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:46 pm

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he's not gonna be there when we draft...is he ?


nah, he will be. Who's he going above? Porter? Young? Carter? all of whom have more potential than Mikal
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Re: Draft Thread 13 - The Field Thins 

Post#1587 » by E-Balla » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:47 pm

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E-Balla wrote:Porter doesn't have handles stop lying bro. He's 6-11 with a jumper. Nothing else.




if he aint got handle i dont want to hear nothing about knox, miles, or mikal having handle because that looks alot more fluid than any of those guys with the ball

You won't hear anything from me about them having handles. They don't.
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Re: Draft Thread 13 - The Field Thins 

Post#1588 » by E-Balla » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:49 pm

Robert Covington ass handles.
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Re: Draft Thread 13 - The Field Thins 

Post#1589 » by Infinitimind » Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:06 pm

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Dr. Detfink wrote:I don't care whether or not the Knicks get Michael Porter Jr BUT the Knicks can ill afford not to move up in the draft. This reminds me A LOT of the year, the Knicks could not move up to get Steph Curry. They had EVERY reason to bet it all to get Curry and they stood pat and got Jordan Hill.

THAT'S the Knicks. Complacent.

New York is trying to rebuild NOW. This is not something that you luck into. The Knicks have 2 very good to greatness in Frank Nicotine and KP...you BETTER go all out and get the 3rd piece because despite what every one talks "patience" there is every reason to believe the Knicks WANT to make the playoffs.


I don't think there's a need to trade up, unless the price is fair. Trading a 2019 unprotected pick, or one that is not heavily protected, is a non-starter.


This team has not shown the ability to tank , why would make you believe next year will be different. You rather have the 9th pick this year and 9th pick next year or Luka this year .


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Re: Draft Thread 13 - The Field Thins 

Post#1590 » by Tron Carter » Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:06 pm

FrontOfficeEye wrote:
Dr. Detfink wrote:
FrontOfficeEye wrote:I don't think there's a need to trade up, unless the price is fair. Trading a 2019 unprotected pick, or one that is not heavily protected, is a non-starter.


This draft is every thing for the new Front Office. If they bring a "pretty good" guy that doesn't turn the Knicks into playoff contender but even worse, they are just good enough to miss the playoffs.

There is no tomorrow.


If they bring in a pretty good guy that is a rotation / starting piece going forward, they're making the right step in a year in which KP is going to miss a huge chunk of the season. There is absolutely no reason to rush and make a rash decision like trading away assets to move up in the draft, when the Knicks will be terrible next year and have a high pick. Adding someone like Mikal, who I think the Knicks ultimately end up with, is the perfect piece for this roster. Add him this year, add a SG next year, and you have the backcourt set going forward. Or add Mikal this year, add a PF next year, and try to get a SG in FA (I consider THJr a 6th man on a good team, if that).

No reason to be short-sided here. Add rotation piece this year, let KP come back healthy on his own time without rushing (let him get some PT next year, but focusing on health), and go for playoffs in 2019-20. More cap space, a healthy KP, better Frank, 2nd year rookie from this year, rookie from next year, etc. Knicks aren't making the playoffs this year, and shouldn't try to. Don't trade picks.


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Re: Draft Thread 13 - The Field Thins 

Post#1591 » by bleedblue3303 » Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:07 pm

I would have originally said no way Porter drops to us. But with the news that the Bulls are not happy with Dunn and Cleveland not wanting to risk on Porter. I think we have real chance. I would be thrilled.
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Post#1592 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:10 pm

Infinitimind wrote:
FrontOfficeEye wrote:
Dr. Detfink wrote:I don't care whether or not the Knicks get Michael Porter Jr BUT the Knicks can ill afford not to move up in the draft. This reminds me A LOT of the year, the Knicks could not move up to get Steph Curry. They had EVERY reason to bet it all to get Curry and they stood pat and got Jordan Hill.

THAT'S the Knicks. Complacent.

New York is trying to rebuild NOW. This is not something that you luck into. The Knicks have 2 very good to greatness in Frank Nicotine and KP...you BETTER go all out and get the 3rd piece because despite what every one talks "patience" there is every reason to believe the Knicks WANT to make the playoffs.


I don't think there's a need to trade up, unless the price is fair. Trading a 2019 unprotected pick, or one that is not heavily protected, is a non-starter.


This team has not shown the ability to tank , why would make you believe next year will be different. You rather have the 9th pick this year and 9th pick next year or Luka this year .


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You saw how bad this team was without KP. I’m probably Luka’s second biggest fan on here besides Rasho. I just think the Knicks will be that bad that trading the pick would come back to haunt them.
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Re: Draft Thread 13 - The Field Thins 

Post#1593 » by 2010 » Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:13 pm

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he's not gonna be there when we draft...is he ?


If Mikal isn't that means Porter Jr. will 8-)
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Re: Draft Thread 13 - The Field Thins 

Post#1594 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:15 pm

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FrontOfficeEye wrote:
Dr. Detfink wrote:
This draft is every thing for the new Front Office. If they bring a "pretty good" guy that doesn't turn the Knicks into playoff contender but even worse, they are just good enough to miss the playoffs.

There is no tomorrow.


If they bring in a pretty good guy that is a rotation / starting piece going forward, they're making the right step in a year in which KP is going to miss a huge chunk of the season. There is absolutely no reason to rush and make a rash decision like trading away assets to move up in the draft, when the Knicks will be terrible next year and have a high pick. Adding someone like Mikal, who I think the Knicks ultimately end up with, is the perfect piece for this roster. Add him this year, add a SG next year, and you have the backcourt set going forward. Or add Mikal this year, add a PF next year, and try to get a SG in FA (I consider THJr a 6th man on a good team, if that).

No reason to be short-sided here. Add rotation piece this year, let KP come back healthy on his own time without rushing (let him get some PT next year, but focusing on health), and go for playoffs in 2019-20. More cap space, a healthy KP, better Frank, 2nd year rookie from this year, rookie from next year, etc. Knicks aren't making the playoffs this year, and shouldn't try to. Don't trade picks.


Is Donic enough of a scorer/facilitator/culture changer to give up a pick in another year to get him? Not that it's happening - just the hypothetical. Or is the talent not quite enough to where losing a future pick isn't worth it?


I don’t think so, and I’m a huge fan. I’d give a heavily protected pick next year, or a 2020 unprotected though.
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Re: Draft Thread 13 - The Field Thins 

Post#1595 » by Infinitimind » Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:18 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
FrontOfficeEye wrote:
Dr. Detfink wrote:
This draft is every thing for the new Front Office. If they bring a "pretty good" guy that doesn't turn the Knicks into playoff contender but even worse, they are just good enough to miss the playoffs.

There is no tomorrow.


If they bring in a pretty good guy that is a rotation / starting piece going forward, they're making the right step in a year in which KP is going to miss a huge chunk of the season. There is absolutely no reason to rush and make a rash decision like trading away assets to move up in the draft, when the Knicks will be terrible next year and have a high pick. Adding someone like Mikal, who I think the Knicks ultimately end up with, is the perfect piece for this roster. Add him this year, add a SG next year, and you have the backcourt set going forward. Or add Mikal this year, add a PF next year, and try to get a SG in FA (I consider THJr a 6th man on a good team, if that).

No reason to be short-sided here. Add rotation piece this year, let KP come back healthy on his own time without rushing (let him get some PT next year, but focusing on health), and go for playoffs in 2019-20. More cap space, a healthy KP, better Frank, 2nd year rookie from this year, rookie from next year, etc. Knicks aren't making the playoffs this year, and shouldn't try to. Don't trade picks.


Is Donic enough of a scorer/facilitator/culture changer to give up a pick in another year to get him? Not that it's happening - just the hypothetical. Or is the talent not quite enough to where losing a future pick isn't worth it?


He will have a Ben Simmons type impact I feel.


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Re: Draft Thread 13 - The Field Thins 

Post#1596 » by Fat » Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:26 pm

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lol who do you even want? You not active in the thread like you used to be.
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Post#1597 » by 2010 » Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:28 pm

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lol who do you even want? You not active in the thread like you used to be.


He hate everybody except Bagley :lol:
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Post#1598 » by Dr. Detfink » Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:31 pm

If the Knicks draft a point guard, it means they're going to try and make a run at Kyrie Irving. BET ON THAT.

If the Knicks draft anyone else, it'll be due to other teams taking Porter Jr, Doncic, Mo Bamba...and that player will be "Ok."
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lol who do you even want? You not active in the thread like you used to be.


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Post#1600 » by BLACKFEET 2010 » Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:38 pm

I’m back on my trade down for Miles ish.
Lol
We gotta stick to the script.
Porter might be that guy but he really doesn’t fit the profile of what we say we are looking for. Mikal does but I don’t know how much dog he has in him and with him we are really station to station at every position, with no creativity or ability to take their matchup off the dribble. Except maybe Tim (who I demand be traded lol or I’ll know we ain’t the real thing).

Trade 9 and cash for 10 and 26.
Miles at 10. Frazier at 26.
We need athleticism and versatility. We need dogs.

Sexton is a dog but I don’t think he’s a better option at point than Frank. And playing them together wouldn’t be ideal to me as neither are good shooters at this point (but you just know Frank is gonna be a good shooter). I don’t think you wanna Matsui our Reyes. Frank is our pg.

Carter is gonna be a solid pro but KP, especially coming off this injury, is the center of the future. We traded Wily and probably are praying Kanter opts out—so I don’t know if we’re high on the burly below the rim type big.
Not with such a high pick. Not with our two burlies (Enes and Kyle) spinning in the wind. Hard pass on Wendell.

I been trying to talk myself into Knox’s upside but I don’t see it, sorry. He’s a pup and I get that but I don’t see anything standout in his game. Good shooter, nice floater. Very good measurables. Youth. Cool.

...but ummm I don’t see a game in between all that.
I so know I could be wrong. Maybe he grows two more inches in two years and everyone looks like fools for passing him. I dunno. I don’t want Knox.

Walker is getting a bit overrated I feel.
Zhaire, underrated but he’d get a guy fired.
Mikal is such a single. Can’t trip if he’s the guy because his floor is solid but it’s so not the sexy pick. And sexiness counts. The media is gonna be ready to pounce on Pills regardless. We need a guy to make them look good out the box.

Porter.
Sigh. We can’t take a chance on the back.
And the personality concerns usually are on point with guys honestly. It shows its head eventually. NYC is a helluva place to grow up under the spotlight. Can’t dismiss the character concerns. Even the Trump thing. Might not go well in our locker room; it’s not a should or shouldn’t thing there, it’s just a reality. Fiz wants these guys to be close and fight for each other. MPJ doesn’t strike me as the ‘rallying the troops’ type from afar.

I also factor that this kid hasn’t been coached in big game situations outside of AAU. He’s more skilled than he showed in the tourney cameo for sure so I wouldn’t even consider it tape on him. But there’s no denying he’s just such an obvious (possible) amalgamation of so many Knick mistakes of the past:

Amare/Allan/LJ/Gallo from a health risk standpoint.
Steph/Melo from a ‘bigger than the team’ standpoint (and I admit I don’t know if it’s fair to assume that but hey, I do; the stuff with his dad and all that reminded me of Starbury and his peoples running the garden in their time or CAA’s stronghold during the Chris Smith era and all that).

I’d really look past so much of this if the back wasn’t such a concern. And I don’t trust our medical staff that much so yeah, there’s that. Hard pass on Porter. Bluff til a second is left on the clock but pass. Maybe the Clips want to move up and we squeeze 12 and 13 out of em. But I’m trying to trade back and grab an asset or two in the process.

Of the trade up guys only Doncic makes sense and I’m sure the price doesn’t. And he also doesn’t fit what we say we want to do as an organization. Last year we traded Melo for two total non defenders a day after saying we would be a defensive team going forward. It was a good trade all things considered and we couldn’t be too particular with the return so I give Pills a pass. But the draft is supposed to be where we build our vision from. Show me what a Scott Perry player looks like.

I think listening to all three of these men (Scott, Steve and Fiz) that Miles checks off the most boxes across all their boards if we take them at their word about defense and athleticism and versatility and all that.

Athleticism matters. Miles, I think, is gonna be a better pro than college player (with the space and high usage again, my opinion and assumption of how we’d use him) and he was a pretty good college player to say the least. There’s no way he isn’t a double digit scorer out the gate and a mainstay on ESPN. For us, it really matters.

We gotta clean out all the junk between KP and Frank.
Fill in the blanks with some young and hungry dogs that’ll understand and seize the moment here.

But yeah....the trade Tim thing tho?
It needs to be a thing.
Everything else to me is in essence ‘same old Knicks’ if they aren’t trying to come up off that contract. He’s tradeable. Don’t buy the bullshucks. It’s our misguided sense of loyalty and marketing and whatever else keeps the garden cauldron churning that’ll keep him a Knick.
Trade him. Please. Get a B level asset. Whatever.
Just come up off that.

But yeah. I’m back on my Miles ish.

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