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Re: Team Canada Basketball Thread 

Post#4641 » by Hair Canada » Fri Jun 8, 2018 7:27 pm

frumble wrote:Canada's U17 training camp roster announced today.

http://www.basketball.ca/tickets-on-sale-for-canada-vs-jamaica-p154191%26language=en/news-article/17-athletes-selected-for-u17-mens-national-team-training-camp?platform=hootsuite

Our leading scorers at last summer's U16s were McNeilly, SRM, and Sakota, with Ndur getting a lot of boards. They are all on the list, along with other rotation players from last summer Todd, Krikke, and Bediako.

Four players from our U16 team from last year are not on the list: Shand, Case, Koulibaly, and Radocaj.

Three underage players on the list:
Caleb Houstan (2003 born)
Charles Bediako (2002) (also on the U18 team)
Zach Edey (2002) (listed as 7'2")

Notable 01 borns on the list who did not play at the U16s last summer include include Patterson, Hemmings, and Moncrieffe.


Hair Canada,
Any insights on the roster? I know you have written about Houstan before. Any thoughts on Edey?

Do you think Patterson and Bediako are likely to play U17s given U18 participation?

Any thoughts on Paris Shand not being there?


Will write more once the final roster is out. But some preliminary thoughts:

First, this time, unlike last year, it's really the best roster we can put out, so that's great to see. Hopefully, this means that the feud that has plagued Canadian junior basketball last summer is behind us. Patterson, Hemmings and Moncrieff would be huge additions and Ambrose-Hylton might also surprise. I'd love to also see Houstan in the final roster, but we'll see. I think Patterson and Bediako should be available if they're part of the last 17.

Paris Shand not invited is a no-brainer for me. First, he's not a promising long-term prospect, a PF in the body of a guard (6'5 or 6'6) with limited athleticism and speed. But even if we just look at the short-run, he was really terrible in last year's championship. Undersized who managed to grab some offensive rebounds due to his strong physique, but mostly finished poorly and took way too many outside shots despite very poor shooting. I remember thinking that it's quite sad if that's the best we can offer on the interior. Also seen him this season at Bill Crothers in a couple of games and haven't noticed much improvement.

Anyway, not trying to dis Shand, who's a good guy and a hard worker. Just saying that he's really not good enough for this level of competition (much like Victor Radocaj or Matteus Case, who were also part of the team last summer), and I'm happy that we have better options this year.

Edey is completely a newcomer and is actually quite an impressive prospect for his size (perhaps even a 7'3). As might be expected, he's not very quick or agile and his offense is quite rudimentary. But he has a solid physique, he's not awkward, moves decently well, and can really protect the basket. Had something like 10 blocks in about 15 minutes in the biosteel futures game. Doesn't need to do much more than stretch his arms at this point. Reminds me a bit of Jordan Bachinsky, but Edey might be even bigger. Would really like to see him on the team, together with Bediako and Minott (or at least two of the three). Would be a great improvement to the center position from last year, when we were just eaten alive in the paint by the Americans.
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Re: Team Canada Basketball Thread 

Post#4642 » by WellYouKnow » Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:35 pm

USA announced their training camp roster for this window and there is zero NBA players. It's all g league guys.

Maybe this is a sign that we should take it a little easier on guys like Wiggins who aren't playing in this window
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Post#4643 » by mojo13 » Tue Jun 12, 2018 3:40 pm

WellYouKnow wrote:USA announced their training camp roster for this window and there is zero NBA players. It's all g league guys.

Maybe this is a sign that we should take it a little easier on guys like Wiggins who aren't playing in this window



Why? The USA is a completely different situation. They are 9-0 with G-League guys since the AmeriCup last summer, never really seriously being challenged. Why do they need to change anything? At this point I wouldn't expect anything different unless the US was actually facing peril of not qualifying. Plus the player pool of near-NBA players is endless - majority of their player roster has NBA experience. With this player pool they are dealing with far more talent than almost every other team in FIBA Americas. https://www.usab.com/news-events/news/2018/06/mwcq-training-roster.aspx Plus USA Basketball is far better run and better resourced than most other federations. Better systems, management, coaching etc.

Canada on the other hand has lost to the USVI, Argentina and DR since the the AmeriCup with our non-NBA squad - and are in position to not qualify if things break the wrong way. Clearly we need reinforcements to secure these wins when we can access our NBA/EL talent. Plus this round is on home soil which creates numerous other incentives for us to bring in the big guns (financial, marketing exposure, etc.). The USA is playing away games in Havana and Mexico City.
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Post#4644 » by frumble » Tue Jun 12, 2018 4:23 pm

With camp a week away, and the first exhibition game against China in 10 days, anyone hearing anything else re the participation of Murray, Pangos, or any of the other invitees?
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Post#4645 » by slothrop8 » Tue Jun 12, 2018 4:39 pm

mojo13 wrote:
WellYouKnow wrote:USA announced their training camp roster for this window and there is zero NBA players. It's all g league guys.

Maybe this is a sign that we should take it a little easier on guys like Wiggins who aren't playing in this window



Why? The USA is a completely different situation. They are 9-0 with G-League guys since the AmeriCup last summer, never really seriously being challenged. Why do they need to change anything? At this point I wouldn't expect anything different unless the US was actually facing peril of not qualifying. Plus the player pool of near-NBA players is endless - majority of their player roster has NBA experience. With this player pool they are dealing with far more talent than almost every other team in FIBA Americas. https://www.usab.com/news-events/news/2018/06/mwcq-training-roster.aspx Plus USA Basketball is far better run and better resourced than most other federations. Better systems, management, coaching etc.

Canada on the other hand has lost to the USVI, Argentina and DR since the the AmeriCup with our non-NBA squad - and are in position to not qualify if things break the wrong way. Clearly we need reinforcements to secure these wins when we can access our NBA/EL talent. Plus this round is on home soil which creates numerous other incentives for us to bring in the big guns (financial, marketing exposure, etc.). The USA is playing away games in Havana and Mexico City.


Exactly, @ Mexico might be quasi-competitive, and @ Cuba is going to be a blowout. Uruguay and Argentina play each other in their cross-over group - so the USA is pretty much certain to start the next round in 1st place in their group even if Mexico pulls the upset, which is fairly improbable. They play the 2nd and 3rd place finishers from Group A to start the next phase in September - they can bring in a few of their NBA guys and blow their Group wide open then if they have to - but chances are they won't have to.
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Re: Team Canada Basketball Thread 

Post#4646 » by WellYouKnow » Tue Jun 12, 2018 6:22 pm

mojo13 wrote:
WellYouKnow wrote:USA announced their training camp roster for this window and there is zero NBA players. It's all g league guys.

Maybe this is a sign that we should take it a little easier on guys like Wiggins who aren't playing in this window



Why? The USA is a completely different situation. They are 9-0 with G-League guys since the AmeriCup last summer, never really seriously being challenged. Why do they need to change anything? At this point I wouldn't expect anything different unless the US was actually facing peril of not qualifying. Plus the player pool of near-NBA players is endless - majority of their player roster has NBA experience. With this player pool they are dealing with far more talent than almost every other team in FIBA Americas. https://www.usab.com/news-events/news/2018/06/mwcq-training-roster.aspx Plus USA Basketball is far better run and better resourced than most other federations. Better systems, management, coaching etc.

Canada on the other hand has lost to the USVI, Argentina and DR since the the AmeriCup with our non-NBA squad - and are in position to not qualify if things break the wrong way. Clearly we need reinforcements to secure these wins when we can access our NBA/EL talent. Plus this round is on home soil which creates numerous other incentives for us to bring in the big guns (financial, marketing exposure, etc.). The USA is playing away games in Havana and Mexico City.

Not sure why were including the americup in this. Has no effect or relevance at all really.



In reality these games are still relatively unimportant, and will be very easy victories with our squad.


I'd love for Wiggins to be out there, but we have more than enough to get through these games without him and its not worth bashing one of our most talented players for not playing in what wil be blowout wins either way.
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Re: Team Canada Basketball Thread 

Post#4647 » by WellYouKnow » Tue Jun 12, 2018 6:32 pm

slothrop8 wrote:
mojo13 wrote:
WellYouKnow wrote:USA announced their training camp roster for this window and there is zero NBA players. It's all g league guys.

Maybe this is a sign that we should take it a little easier on guys like Wiggins who aren't playing in this window



Why? The USA is a completely different situation. They are 9-0 with G-League guys since the AmeriCup last summer, never really seriously being challenged. Why do they need to change anything? At this point I wouldn't expect anything different unless the US was actually facing peril of not qualifying. Plus the player pool of near-NBA players is endless - majority of their player roster has NBA experience. With this player pool they are dealing with far more talent than almost every other team in FIBA Americas. https://www.usab.com/news-events/news/2018/06/mwcq-training-roster.aspx Plus USA Basketball is far better run and better resourced than most other federations. Better systems, management, coaching etc.

Canada on the other hand has lost to the USVI, Argentina and DR since the the AmeriCup with our non-NBA squad - and are in position to not qualify if things break the wrong way. Clearly we need reinforcements to secure these wins when we can access our NBA/EL talent. Plus this round is on home soil which creates numerous other incentives for us to bring in the big guns (financial, marketing exposure, etc.). The USA is playing away games in Havana and Mexico City.


Exactly, @ Mexico might be quasi-competitive, and @ Cuba is going to be a blowout. Uruguay and Argentina play each other in their cross-over group - so the USA is pretty much certain to start the next round in 1st place in their group even if Mexico pulls the upset, which is fairly improbable. They play the 2nd and 3rd place finishers from Group A to start the next phase in September - they can bring in a few of their NBA guys and blow their Group wide open then if they have to - but chances are they won't have to.

Saying it's highly improbable mexico pulls off the upset is a stretch. Mexico has a very good squad for this window and far better US teams have lost to teams with similar talent levels to Mexico.


I think it's silly to bash and harp on one guy not being there when we probably have the most talented squad for this window in any of the Fiba regions.
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Post#4648 » by slothrop8 » Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:09 pm

WellYouKnow wrote:Saying it's highly improbable mexico pulls off the upset is a stretch. Mexico has a very good squad for this window and far better US teams have lost to teams with similar talent levels to Mexico.


Fairly improbable might be a tad strong - the game is in Mexico and means a fair bit to Mexico and relatively little to the USA, and officiating may well be highly dubious. That being said, Van Gundy and the Gleaguers are something like 9-0 so far in Americup and the Americas Qualifying - they'll be a tough test for Mexico for sure - but yes, fairly improbable was likely too strong.
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Post#4649 » by TooBad » Wed Jun 13, 2018 6:24 am

Positive signs i'm seeing regarding Murray. He was in Denver last week training and now he has been spotted in Waterloo. Hopefully, this means he's getting ready for camp.
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Post#4650 » by TooBad » Wed Jun 13, 2018 6:28 am

Does anyone know if Horford and Towns are playing for the dominican this month?
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Post#4651 » by Pooh_Jeter » Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:08 am

I'm purely speculating, but I'm thinking there has been that tepid response in terms of availability because it makes sense for the more established dudes to just play in the games that matter and not be tied to an entire training camp and the exhibition games against China.

We are looking at a minimum commitment of June 20th to July 2nd if a player is attending the training camp and playing the exhibition games. That is a pretty big commitment for 2 qualifying games. I completely understand why they would want to continue their own off-season training regiment over being in National Team camp. It's not like this is the Olympics or the World Cup it's just a set of qualifying games. Certainly it's important, but the main focus is them being at those games, not the 2 week commitment.
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Post#4652 » by mojo13 » Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:24 am

TooBad wrote:Does anyone know if Horford and Towns are playing for the dominican this month?



My sources tell me neither will be playing. Horford is having a baby in July. Not sure Towns excuse.

I understand the may both play in August which are home games for DR if true that great news for Canada.

My sources are Google Translate so not that reliable.
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Post#4653 » by mojo13 » Fri Jun 15, 2018 2:15 pm

mojo13 wrote:
TooBad wrote:Does anyone know if Horford and Towns are playing for the dominican this month?



My sources tell me neither will be playing. Horford is having a baby in July. Not sure Towns excuse.

I understand the may both play in August which are home games for DR if true that great news for Canada.

My sources are Google Translate so not that reliable.


A few more Spanish language reports have come up indicating the DR is going with the same team as the last windows vs Canada and Bahamas. They seem to be pressing Towns/Horford and Angel Degodo for the Aug/Sept home games rather than this one. We should know better soon as most other decent teams have announced their camp rosters.
ARG, BRA, PR, USA, MEX all listed here:
http://www.fiba.basketball/basketballworldcup/2019/americas-qualifiers/news

I think it would be nice for them to get some second round wins in Sept/Aug by using Towns/Horford and pressing down the win total against other teams we are competing for a slot with.
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Post#4654 » by aminiaturebuddha » Fri Jun 15, 2018 4:07 pm

mojo13 wrote:
mojo13 wrote:
TooBad wrote:Does anyone know if Horford and Towns are playing for the dominican this month?



My sources tell me neither will be playing. Horford is having a baby in July. Not sure Towns excuse.

I understand the may both play in August which are home games for DR if true that great news for Canada.

My sources are Google Translate so not that reliable.


A few more Spanish language reports have come up indicating the DR is going with the same team as the last windows vs Canada and Bahamas. They seem to be pressing Towns/Horford and Angel Degodo for the Aug/Sept home games rather than this one. We should know better soon as most other decent teams have announced their camp rosters.
ARG, BRA, PR, USA, MEX all listed here:
http://www.fiba.basketball/basketballworldcup/2019/americas-qualifiers/news

I think it would be nice for them to get some second round wins in Sept/Aug by using Towns/Horford and pressing down the win total against other teams we are competing for a slot with.


I hadn't thought about it that way, mojo, so I'm curious about your thinking on that one. I would have thought that since us and the DR have already qualified for the second round, we would actually want them to lose once we get to the second round, as I think they'll be one of the teams we're battling with to end up in that final group of 7 that qualifies.

Now that I look at it more carefully, let's say that we beat the DR in June and end up 1st in our group. That would make them D2 and mean that in September they would likely play Brazil (B1) and Chile (B3). I see the DR as a bigger threat than Chile, but Brazil will probably go through their first round undefeated, so in those games I think we would want the DR to lose to Chile and beat Brazil. An unlikely scenario, especially playing with the same team, but it would be best for us.

Of course, if they finish 1st in group D and we finish second, the calculation changes a bit. Then they would likely play Venezuela and Chile. I think in that scenario we would want the DR to lose both games.

Either way, obviously, we need Canada to just keep winning as many games as possible by high scoring margins. It's way too complicated to count on other teams.
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Post#4655 » by Mirotic12 » Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:49 pm

mojo13 wrote:
WellYouKnow wrote:USA announced their training camp roster for this window and there is zero NBA players. It's all g league guys.

Maybe this is a sign that we should take it a little easier on guys like Wiggins who aren't playing in this window



Why? The USA is a completely different situation. They are 9-0 with G-League guys since the AmeriCup last summer, never really seriously being challenged. Why do they need to change anything? At this point I wouldn't expect anything different unless the US was actually facing peril of not qualifying. Plus the player pool of near-NBA players is endless - majority of their player roster has NBA experience. With this player pool they are dealing with far more talent than almost every other team in FIBA Americas. https://www.usab.com/news-events/news/2018/06/mwcq-training-roster.aspx Plus USA Basketball is far better run and better resourced than most other federations. Better systems, management, coaching etc.

Canada on the other hand has lost to the USVI, Argentina and DR since the the AmeriCup with our non-NBA squad - and are in position to not qualify if things break the wrong way. Clearly we need reinforcements to secure these wins when we can access our NBA/EL talent. Plus this round is on home soil which creates numerous other incentives for us to bring in the big guns (financial, marketing exposure, etc.). The USA is playing away games in Havana and Mexico City.


The thing is, during the season, almost all teams are sending B teams or even C teams. So that's 9-0 with D-League players against 2nd and 3rd tier national teams. The other countries probably can come with some of there better players during summer.
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Post#4656 » by WellYouKnow » Sat Jun 16, 2018 10:22 pm

The Bahamas has Ayton and Buddy Hield on their premilinary squad. Also added a bunch of NCAA players.

http://www.tribune242.com/news/2018/jun/15/big-names-bahamas-team-fiba-world-cup-qualifiers/

Could be good news for us as DR plays them in this window.

I doubt Ayton will actually play but Hield and the ncca kids should give them a big boost
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Post#4657 » by TheFutureMM » Sun Jun 17, 2018 11:56 am

The U18s got thumped last night. Watched all the way up until the middle of 3rd. Our guys struggled against their length and typical USA capitalized on every turnover. Still a fun watch and the boys have a lot to be proud of - we should be looked at as the clear #2 on the boys level now in the America's.

Only annoying thing I could think of was if the score would be different with RJ out there.
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Post#4658 » by Hair Canada » Sun Jun 17, 2018 3:31 pm

ESPN singling out Justin Jackson as a potential second-round sleeper/steal. Here's the write-up:


Justin Jackson | SF/PF | Maryland

Potential role: Two-way combo forward

Why he fits: Jackson fits the physical component of the two-way combo forward archetype perfectly, standing 6-foot-6 barefoot, with a 7-foot-3 wingspan and 229-pound frame. Our historical measurements database (which has more than 9,000 entries) tells us he's almost an exact match to Kawhi Leonard physically, with OG Anunoby being his second-closest comparison. Rudy Gay and Draymond Green aren't far behind. Jackson has the frame, length and reach to see some minutes at the center position even in small-ball lineups, even if he never got a chance to show that in college, where he saw quite a few minutes at small forward.

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Jackson was projected as the No. 14 pick in the draft after a strong showing at the Adidas Nations camp in Houston in August, scoring 44 points in 84 minutes (6-of-11 on 3-pointers) against top-level competition. Unfortunately, a torn labrum he suffered after the camp completely derailed his sophomore season. According to sources close to Jackson, he was encouraged by the Maryland coaching staff to fight through the injury, playing 11 games, until getting a second opinion and being advised he would be wise to have surgery. The damage was already done by then, as his jumpshot had completely abandoned him (his 3-point percentage dropped from 44 to 25 percent), and his draft stock cratered. Jackson still hasn't been cleared for five-on-five competition (that will reportedly happen in the next few weeks), and he's largely out of sight, out of mind at this stage.

Considering the type of injury he was playing through, it seems like holding his 3-point shooting numbers against him doesn't make a great deal of sense after he made 40-90 spot-up jumpers as a freshman while showing good shooting mechanics. Even if Jackson regresses to the mean and ends up being just an average 3-point shooter in the NBA (he hit 73 percent of his free throws in college, a solid figure), he could still have quite a bit of value considering the playmaking ability he brings on the defensive end. Jackson averaged 9.4 rebounds, 1.2 blocks and 1.2 steals per-40 minutes in college, despite mostly guarding perimeter players.

One NBA executive told us that he has identified Jackson's college coach at Maryland, Mark Turgeon, as having one of the most glaring lists of players who exceeded their collegiate production in the NBA, potentially leading to a market inefficiency. Some of Turgeon's past players include Khris Middleton (No. 39), DeAndre Jordan (No. 35), Alex Len (No. 5, but hasn't really panned out), Donald Sloan (undrafted, played five seasons in the NBA), Gal Mekel (a middling player at Wichita State, who vastly exceeded those expectations as a pro), and most recently Kevin Heurter, whose stock exploded once he left Maryland and was seen in other settings. While Jackson has plenty going for him already in terms of his measurements and 3-and-D potential, this is another factor teams will likely want to consider in terms of projecting him to the NBA.

Key stat: Career 80-209 (38 percent) from 3 in 79 games; 41 percent if ignoring his 11-game injury-riddled sophomore season.

Drawbacks: At 21.3 years old, Jackson is older than a handful of juniors projected to be drafted. The fact that he only has 43 games of college experience underneath his belt isn't ideal. Jackson's 44 2-point percentage in college, combined with his poor passing metrics (8 assist percentage, 16.8 turnover percentage) indicate some red flags in regards to his feel and ability to make decisions with the ball in his hands, something that is backed up on film. While a capable spot-up shooter, Jackson has traditionally struggled shooting the ball off the dribble. Jackson is more long and powerful than he is freakishly athletic, being somewhat mechanical in his movements, and likely rendering him better suited for the power forward and center positions in the NBA than on the wing like he played most of his career.

Justin Jackson Physical Comps
PLAYER AGE HT WT WS
Justin Jackson 21.2 6-7 229 7-3
Kawhi Leonard 20.0 6-7 227 7-3
OG Anunoby 19.8 6-7¾ 232 7-2¼
Draymond Green 22.3 6-7½ 236 7-1¼
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Post#4659 » by Hair Canada » Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:15 pm

TheFutureMM wrote:The U18s got thumped last night. Watched all the way up until the middle of 3rd. Our guys struggled against their length and typical USA capitalized on every turnover. Still a fun watch and the boys have a lot to be proud of - we should be looked at as the clear #2 on the boys level now in the America's.

Only annoying thing I could think of was if the score would be different with RJ out there.


Yes, disappointing, but was fun to watch the tournament as a whole, with some excellent individual performances.
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Post#4660 » by frumble » Mon Jun 18, 2018 2:36 pm

NBA draft is 3 days away.

SGA's position in most mocks hasn't moved much the past couple months.
Six of the 10 mock drafts shown on NBA.com have SGA going between 11th and 14th.
ESPN 11
SB Nation 11
NBA.com 12
Net Scouts 13
CBS Sportsline 13
SI 14

The other four have him out of the lottery.

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