NBA Draft 2018 6.0: Lucky #7 and 22.

[Betta Bulleavit]

The Bulls are in talent acquisition mode. They are primed with cap space these next couple years and they are going to use it. They need to hit on these players regardless if they are safe or not so they can become an attractive destination for marquee free agents. Whether the stars want to play with them, or the youngins could be traded for other pieces. Which is why I'm ok with the safe pick for now. If the Bulls fans really think it all depends on this draft for the Bulls to make it or break it idk what to tell you. We are still gonna suck next year and be a bottom 7 team if we pick Mikal or Carter Jr. We arent in a position like Orlando yet where we have been a bottom feeder for multiple years wasting picks on boom or bust players and allocating all our money to mediocre free agents.

If we were Orlando than yeah, take the boom or bust guy no question. A little bit of hope that we can grasp onto to get us out this hell. But we're not there yet. So I don't think it's such a terrible thing to take the well rounded C with less than desired atheticism, or the prototype 3 & D wing with questionable upside over the scoring forward with a crap back.

I disagree. To become an attractive FA destination you need, IMO, either a top 10 player or 2 top 20 guys. We have:

1) I possible top 20 guy in Lauri
2) 2 unlikely top 20 guys in Dunn and Lavine

We are exactly where you say Orlando is.

No, we are not. I couldn't disagree with you more on this one Sco. Orlando has spent the last (what 4 or 5) seasons drafting...drafting...trading....drafting....and re-drafting and they practically have nothing to show for it. The Bulls are heading into season 2 of their rebuild and already have (what looks to be) a hit on their first major draft acquisition. Therefore, going "safe" this year makes a ton of sense because you don't want to go taking guys that aren't going to do anything but set your franchise back several years. Even if a guy like WCJ is never an all-star, he will likely keep the ship moving forward, which is a ton better becoming a swampland. From a FA perspective.

[HoopsterJones]

Still hoping the Bulls move up somehow in the draft. Should be an interesting couple of days leading up to the draft.

[Chi town]

Give me a guy (Carter) with a pedigree good enough to start freshmen year at Duke, smart enough for Harvard to have been his second choice, above average mobility (for a big), post moves to the left and right, versatile defensive skill, and hes what.. 18? 19?

If a one and done, smart, two way player from Duke has low upside... Im not sure where this hype process has gotten.

The modern game is more than chucking threes. It requires bigs who smart, versatile, and team oriented. Im not sure there is a better description for Wendall Carter.

Spot on. Carter is one of the most fundamentally sound players available and has a positive impact on winning games. It's not a sexy choice, but he checks a ton of boxes on both sides of the ball.

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If Carter was a wing he’d be the #1 pick. Problem is he isn’t and our best player plays the same position.

I’m ok w Carter but then Bobby needs to go and we won’t be playing much small ball.

[Fantastik_Goat]

Seriously? Drafted

2013 Tony Snell
2012 Marquis Teague
2010 Kevin Seraphin and traded him and Hinrich for a trade exemption
2009 James Johnson took 5 years before he was anything for other teams
2007 Aaron Gray 2nd round


They make mistakes and let's not even go into trades for Larry Hughes and Drew Gooden or FA signings that were awful

And sometimes they hit home runs.
2011 Cleveland had the 1 and 4 pick
Bulls had 28(James Johnson)and 30. Cleveland got kyrie and Tristan Thompson. Bulls got Niko and Butler. What do they have to show for it now?
Cleveland: way over payed Tristan Thompson and the 8th pick
Bulls: Lavine, Dunn, Lauri, and the 22nd pick. Not bad. Gar for retroactive 2011 GM of the year.

You have years and picks and timelines all mixed up. James Johnson was taken at 16 and not in 2011 but 09 I think. You forgot to mention Cleveland got Lebron back and the first title in franchise history because of Kyrie and TT. Also, I wouldn't call Lavine (or even Dunn) a good thing. At least not yet to the point of calling someone GM of the year for moves leading to those pickups. And lastly, how many #22 picks have been good NBA players?

Gar was GM of the Year in 2011 anyway. Everything you are talking about would count for the 2012 season. For his offseason pickups summer of 2010 of Boozer, Korver, and Ronnie Brewer that helped the Bulls win 62 games and get to the ECF's. He deserved it. It's just about everything that happened between then and now when he was (really) in charge that most people have a problem with.

Sorry I was off by a year. Thanks for the little history lesson.
James johnson was traded for the 28 th pick, I thought it was obvious I was saying that because the Bulls flipped that pick with 2nds for the 23 and got Niko and niko was traded for this years 22, so the 22 pick this year is still return from the James Johnson pick.
Hinrich and the sariphin pick we’re traded to create 2 max slots to go after Lebron and Wade/Bosh in 2010. That cap space was used to build that 62 win team.
Snell 20
Teague 29
How many 20 or 29th picks have been good nba players?
The point I was making is that the Gar/pax team has had some success at making something out what seemed like nothing.

[mschmidt64]

I trust Pax too for the most part. The problem I have is that when he misses is when he veers from his typical pick and goes for the home run and takes a big risk. (ie- Tyrus, Teague, JJ). The player with all this "upside". That is the type of pick Porter is.

Yeah, but Markkanen wasn't entirely a "safe pick." The Derrick Rose selection was relatively "against the grain" because for a long time, Michael Beasley was considered the hands-down #1 overall pick. It required a lot of insight and projection, which worked for them.

They have a decent track record of selecting the right player.

[Truebiscuit]

Give me a guy (Carter) with a pedigree good enough to start freshmen year at Duke, smart enough for Harvard to have been his second choice, above average mobility (for a big), post moves to the left and right, versatile defensive skill, and hes what.. 18? 19?

If a one and done, smart, two way player from Duke has low upside... Im not sure where this hype process has gotten.

The modern game is more than chucking threes. It requires bigs who smart, versatile, and team oriented. Im not sure there is a better description for Wendall Carter.

Spot on. Carter is one of the most fundamentally sound players available and has a positive impact on winning games. It's not a sexy choice, but he checks a ton of boxes on both sides of the ball.

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If Carter was a wing he’d be the #1 pick. Problem is he isn’t and our best player plays the same position.

I’m ok w Carter but then Bobby needs to go and we won’t be playing much small ball.

Bobby would still be our 6th man, I don't think he'd need to go anywhere if we drafted WCJ. In terms of fit for our roster, he's right up there with Mikal Bridges. Unfortunately both those dudes are boring players and it won't resonate with our fan base (I'm guilty of this myself sometimes when I watch him play/think about MPJ developing his game here).

[sco]

I trust Pax too for the most part. The problem I have is that when he misses is when he veers from his typical pick and goes for the home run and takes a big risk. (ie- Tyrus, Teague, JJ). The player with all this "upside". That is the type of pick Porter is.

Yeah, but Markkanen wasn't entirely a "safe pick." The Derrick Rose selection was relatively "against the grain" because for a long time, Michael Beasley was considered the hands-down #1 overall pick. It required a lot of insight and projection, which worked for them.

They have a decent track record of selecting the right player.

I agree. The thing is, a draft pick is just a set of probabilities of a guy being great, good or bad. Those aren't guarantees and success has a lot to do with after draft things like whether a player can fix that one hole in his game or can avoid injury.

[Poohdini1]

My opinion - Jabari Parker is a better version of what I think MPJ will become. There's some differences stylistically but essentially, for a score-1st combo forward, I like Jabari more, and they both have their injury issues.

I think Jabari has proven that he can shoot the rock (37% from 3 the last couple of years and 49% FG), has slightly better chops as a ball handler and passer, boards well (around 7 per 40 over the last couple of seasons), has similar scoring volume (20ppg sort of guy given the role and minutes), plays within a team offense better and is much more viable at the 3 than MPJ.

Obviously, that all comes down to his price point, because MPJ would be coming on a rookie scale deal as opposed to Jabari if you signed him, but all that aside, if you don't like Jabari regardless of injury history, then I think you should question you interest in MPJ. I've seen people talk about MPJ's ability to get to his shot as a rare ability that should be coveted at a very high level, but just remember, some of you also bash guys like Lavine and Parker for their deficiencies in the same breath, so consider MPJ's flaws as well when evaluating him.

I'm not sure either guy is a perfect fit given the defensive issues surrounding both, but I do believe that Jabari has star potential when healthy.

I think a combo forward needs to be on the cards somehow over the next few years. Miles Bridges, Knox or MPJ in this draft, Jabari in FA, or one of the many names like Zion Williamson, Sekou Doumbouya, Nassir Little, Rui Hachimura, Deandre Hunter in the 2019 draft.. there's plenty of avenues to acquire this piece. Either way, somebody who can both man that SF spot and slide up to the 4 effectively and allowing Lauri to play the 5 makes a tonne of sense. Out of those names, I'm not sure MPJ is an ideal fit unless he can make major changes to his decision making, passing, and most importantly, defense.

I agree with most of your assessment, but what have you seen from Jabari that makes you think he's a better option playing the 3 than MPJ?

For me, he's clearly a 4 in today's NBA which complicates his fit in Milwaukee because Giannis plays there primarily. Jabari's done his ACL twice now and has a huge frame, and that's without taking into account he didn't have much lateral speed to guard the perimeter coming into the league before he got hurt.

I think he's got more upside than MPJ overall, but his most successful position will be the 4 and I've seen little from him to show otherwise.

[NecessaryEvil]

Outside of the Doug deal, what recent Bulls drafting would have you to believe selecting Porter would be a mistake?

Denzel's going to be good, Portis is going to be even better. Nwaba was GREAT pick up & they may have even been right about Cameron Payne, who showed admirable signs in Fred's system. Lauri is going to be legend.

I trust Paxson & co. when it comes to draft picks. I expect the 22nd pick to be an excellent selection as well.

Seriously? Drafted

2013 Tony Snell
2012 Marquis Teague
2010 Kevin Seraphin and traded him and Hinrich for a trade exemption
2009 James Johnson took 5 years before he was anything for other teams
2007 Aaron Gray 2nd round


They make mistakes and let's not even go into trades for Larry Hughes and Drew Gooden or FA signings that were awful

None of these were very recent. 2013's tony snell/erik murphy draft sounds like Gar Forman. I think they Bulls have been trying to develop a working formula on draft picks in the last 5 years or so, which is why they've been more successful.

But if you want to go back, why not list Jimmy Butler from 2011? The year they took Gray, they took Noah also.

Let's not NOT aknowledge that the Bulls generally draft fairly well the majority of the time.

[navdeep_singh]

No way Beasley was consensus number 1.

JJ and Teague were reasonable gambles taken at end of 1st round . JJ has stuck around and has an NBA career.

Tyrus has all the tools but he was a mental midget .

McDermott was the only really WTF are you doing moment

[NecessaryEvil]

My opinion - Jabari Parker is a better version of what I think MPJ will become. There's some differences stylistically but essentially, for a score-1st combo forward, I like Jabari more, and they both have their injury issues.

I think Jabari has proven that he can shoot the rock (37% from 3 the last couple of years and 49% FG), has slightly better chops as a ball handler and passer, boards well (around 7 per 40 over the last couple of seasons), has similar scoring volume (20ppg sort of guy given the role and minutes), plays within a team offense better and is much more viable at the 3 than MPJ.

Obviously, that all comes down to his price point, because MPJ would be coming on a rookie scale deal as opposed to Jabari if you signed him, but all that aside, if you don't like Jabari regardless of injury history, then I think you should question you interest in MPJ. I've seen people talk about MPJ's ability to get to his shot as a rare ability that should be coveted at a very high level, but just remember, some of you also bash guys like Lavine and Parker for their deficiencies in the same breath, so consider MPJ's flaws as well when evaluating him.

I'm not sure either guy is a perfect fit given the defensive issues surrounding both, but I do believe that Jabari has star potential when healthy.

I think a combo forward needs to be on the cards somehow over the next few years. Miles Bridges, Knox or MPJ in this draft, Jabari in FA, or one of the many names like Zion Williamson, Sekou Doumbouya, Nassir Little, Rui Hachimura, Deandre Hunter in the 2019 draft.. there's plenty of avenues to acquire this piece. Either way, somebody who can both man that SF spot and slide up to the 4 effectively and allowing Lauri to play the 5 makes a tonne of sense. Out of those names, I'm not sure MPJ is an ideal fit unless he can make major changes to his decision making, passing, and most importantly, defense.

I agree with most of your assessment, but what have you seen from Jabari that makes you think he's a better option playing the 3 than MPJ?

For me, he's clearly a 4 in today's NBA which complicates his fit in Milwaukee because Giannis plays there primarily. Jabari's done his ACL twice now and has a huge frame, and that's without taking into account he didn't have much lateral speed to guard the perimeter coming into the league before he got hurt.

I think he's got more upside than MPJ overall, but his most successful position will be the 4 and I've seen little from him to show otherwise.

Not only that but Jabari Parker is not very good anymore.

[Poohdini1]

My opinion - Jabari Parker is a better version of what I think MPJ will become. There's some differences stylistically but essentially, for a score-1st combo forward, I like Jabari more, and they both have their injury issues.

I think Jabari has proven that he can shoot the rock (37% from 3 the last couple of years and 49% FG), has slightly better chops as a ball handler and passer, boards well (around 7 per 40 over the last couple of seasons), has similar scoring volume (20ppg sort of guy given the role and minutes), plays within a team offense better and is much more viable at the 3 than MPJ.

Obviously, that all comes down to his price point, because MPJ would be coming on a rookie scale deal as opposed to Jabari if you signed him, but all that aside, if you don't like Jabari regardless of injury history, then I think you should question you interest in MPJ. I've seen people talk about MPJ's ability to get to his shot as a rare ability that should be coveted at a very high level, but just remember, some of you also bash guys like Lavine and Parker for their deficiencies in the same breath, so consider MPJ's flaws as well when evaluating him.

I'm not sure either guy is a perfect fit given the defensive issues surrounding both, but I do believe that Jabari has star potential when healthy.

I think a combo forward needs to be on the cards somehow over the next few years. Miles Bridges, Knox or MPJ in this draft, Jabari in FA, or one of the many names like Zion Williamson, Sekou Doumbouya, Nassir Little, Rui Hachimura, Deandre Hunter in the 2019 draft.. there's plenty of avenues to acquire this piece. Either way, somebody who can both man that SF spot and slide up to the 4 effectively and allowing Lauri to play the 5 makes a tonne of sense. Out of those names, I'm not sure MPJ is an ideal fit unless he can make major changes to his decision making, passing, and most importantly, defense.

I agree with most of your assessment, but what have you seen from Jabari that makes you think he's a better option playing the 3 than MPJ?

For me, he's clearly a 4 in today's NBA which complicates his fit in Milwaukee because Giannis plays there primarily. Jabari's done his ACL twice now and has a huge frame, and that's without taking into account he didn't have much lateral speed to guard the perimeter coming into the league before he got hurt.

I think he's got more upside than MPJ overall, but his most successful position will be the 4 and I've seen little from him to show otherwise.

Not only that but Jabari Parker is not very good anymore.

Yeah he was very inconsistent this season, especially in the playoffs. It's a shame because he was really coming into his own in 2016 before his 2nd ACL tear.

[samwana]

My opinion - Jabari Parker is a better version of what I think MPJ will become. There's some differences stylistically but essentially, for a score-1st combo forward, I like Jabari more, and they both have their injury issues.

I think Jabari has proven that he can shoot the rock (37% from 3 the last couple of years and 49% FG), has slightly better chops as a ball handler and passer, boards well (around 7 per 40 over the last couple of seasons), has similar scoring volume (20ppg sort of guy given the role and minutes), plays within a team offense better and is much more viable at the 3 than MPJ.

Obviously, that all comes down to his price point, because MPJ would be coming on a rookie scale deal as opposed to Jabari if you signed him, but all that aside, if you don't like Jabari regardless of injury history, then I think you should question you interest in MPJ. I've seen people talk about MPJ's ability to get to his shot as a rare ability that should be coveted at a very high level, but just remember, some of you also bash guys like Lavine and Parker for their deficiencies in the same breath, so consider MPJ's flaws as well when evaluating him.

I'm not sure either guy is a perfect fit given the defensive issues surrounding both, but I do believe that Jabari has star potential when healthy.

I think a combo forward needs to be on the cards somehow over the next few years. Miles Bridges, Knox or MPJ in this draft, Jabari in FA, or one of the many names like Zion Williamson, Sekou Doumbouya, Nassir Little, Rui Hachimura, Deandre Hunter in the 2019 draft.. there's plenty of avenues to acquire this piece. Either way, somebody who can both man that SF spot and slide up to the 4 effectively and allowing Lauri to play the 5 makes a tonne of sense. Out of those names, I'm not sure MPJ is an ideal fit unless he can make major changes to his decision making, passing, and most importantly, defense.

I agree with most of your assessment, but what have you seen from Jabari that makes you think he's a better option playing the 3 than MPJ?

For me, he's clearly a 4 in today's NBA which complicates his fit in Milwaukee because Giannis plays there primarily. Jabari's done his ACL twice now and has a huge frame, and that's without taking into account he didn't have much lateral speed to guard the perimeter coming into the league before he got hurt.

I think he's got more upside than MPJ overall, but his most successful position will be the 4 and I've seen little from him to show otherwise.

MPJ's best position will be at the 4 too. I've seen a ton of footage of him and with every minute more I'm more convinced he will be a 4 in the NBA. He and Lauri will not complement each other well, because they use the same spots. I don't know why some are convinced he is a 3, because he seems like a prototype stretch 4 to me.

[JimmyJammer]

Give me a guy (Carter) with a pedigree good enough to start freshmen year at Duke, smart enough for Harvard to have been his second choice, above average mobility (for a big), post moves to the left and right, versatile defensive skill, and hes what.. 18? 19?

If a one and done, smart, two way player from Duke has low upside... Im not sure where this hype process has gotten.

The modern game is more than chucking threes. It requires bigs who smart, versatile, and team oriented. Im not sure there is a better description for Wendall Carter.

Spot on. Carter is one of the most fundamentally sound players available and has a positive impact on winning games. It's not a sexy choice, but he checks a ton of boxes on both sides of the ball.

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I have no problem with Carter if neither Porter, Trae Young or Bamba is on the board.

[Truebiscuit]

I couldn't agree more. Too bad it's all we have of Porter other than two games of college from a couple of months ago where he looked undraftable and blamed it on back pain. That was 5 months after his surgery. Wow. just another reason to love the kid.

It was a given he was going to tank his draft stock. He shouldn't have been playing. Totally out of shape, and too soon. He knew that and played anyway. It's a credit to his character to put team ahead of his NBA career. There are other things to critique him with that are fair game.

Not so sure he put his team ahead of his career.
https://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/jeff-gordon/tipsheet-nba-scouts-saw-good-and-bad-in-michael-porter/article_d975c297-ef6b-527c-b0fa-31bf359058fc.html

There was criticism of him disrupting the Mizzou offense and with a 36% usage rate and 1 assist total in all his college minutes I can see where that comes from. Not flattering at all.
LaVine comes to mind with that kind of stats and not in a good way.

If we take him I hope he succeeds, I don't see it with him though.

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The shine is coming off him a little bit, isn't it? I go back and forth on MPJ... one the one hand, the fans here that have argued 'we tanked for nothing' if we draft a WCJ or Bridges make sense to me. On the other hand, if we are being honest with ourselves, WCJ had a much better overall season last year (I understand MPJ was hurt, but that adds to the negative narrative I'm painting here). Then you look at fit and, honestly guys, Dunn/LaVine/MPJ/Markkanen/Lopez is a terrible lineup. You have three ball dominant players, one of which who truly looks to facilitate (Dunn) and two others that like to look for their own shot (LaVine, MPJ). How does that work?

You can do a LOT with WCJ on this team, he's not a diva and truly seems to be a team-first young man. I think he can anchor our defense for the next 10 years -- no, he's not an elite athlete, but he times his blocks so well that I don't really worry about him not having a 40" vertical.

[NecessaryEvil]

My opinion - Jabari Parker is a better version of what I think MPJ will become. There's some differences stylistically but essentially, for a score-1st combo forward, I like Jabari more, and they both have their injury issues.

I think Jabari has proven that he can shoot the rock (37% from 3 the last couple of years and 49% FG), has slightly better chops as a ball handler and passer, boards well (around 7 per 40 over the last couple of seasons), has similar scoring volume (20ppg sort of guy given the role and minutes), plays within a team offense better and is much more viable at the 3 than MPJ.

Obviously, that all comes down to his price point, because MPJ would be coming on a rookie scale deal as opposed to Jabari if you signed him, but all that aside, if you don't like Jabari regardless of injury history, then I think you should question you interest in MPJ. I've seen people talk about MPJ's ability to get to his shot as a rare ability that should be coveted at a very high level, but just remember, some of you also bash guys like Lavine and Parker for their deficiencies in the same breath, so consider MPJ's flaws as well when evaluating him.

I'm not sure either guy is a perfect fit given the defensive issues surrounding both, but I do believe that Jabari has star potential when healthy.

I think a combo forward needs to be on the cards somehow over the next few years. Miles Bridges, Knox or MPJ in this draft, Jabari in FA, or one of the many names like Zion Williamson, Sekou Doumbouya, Nassir Little, Rui Hachimura, Deandre Hunter in the 2019 draft.. there's plenty of avenues to acquire this piece. Either way, somebody who can both man that SF spot and slide up to the 4 effectively and allowing Lauri to play the 5 makes a tonne of sense. Out of those names, I'm not sure MPJ is an ideal fit unless he can make major changes to his decision making, passing, and most importantly, defense.

I agree with most of your assessment, but what have you seen from Jabari that makes you think he's a better option playing the 3 than MPJ?

For me, he's clearly a 4 in today's NBA which complicates his fit in Milwaukee because Giannis plays there primarily. Jabari's done his ACL twice now and has a huge frame, and that's without taking into account he didn't have much lateral speed to guard the perimeter coming into the league before he got hurt.

I think he's got more upside than MPJ overall, but his most successful position will be the 4 and I've seen little from him to show otherwise.

MPJ's best position will be at the 4 too. I've seen a ton of footage of him and with every minute more I'm more convinced he will be a 4 in the NBA. He and Lauri will not complement each other well, because they use the same spots. I don't know why some are convinced he is a 3, because he seems like a prototype stretch 4 to me.

Greg Anthony recently called him the 'prototype' 3 in the nba

MPJ, himself, stated the Bulls needed an SF so he would be a fit there.

I watch his 'horrible' hs film, like the more recent 52 game one posted and only see a sf/pf

I guess people see what they want to see.

[NewEra21]

Give me a guy (Carter) with a pedigree good enough to start freshmen year at Duke, smart enough for Harvard to have been his second choice, above average mobility (for a big), post moves to the left and right, versatile defensive skill, and hes what.. 18? 19?

If a one and done, smart, two way player from Duke has low upside... Im not sure where this hype process has gotten.

The modern game is more than chucking threes. It requires bigs who smart, versatile, and team oriented. Im not sure there is a better description for Wendall Carter.

Spot on. Carter is one of the most fundamentally sound players available and has a positive impact on winning games. It's not a sexy choice, but he checks a ton of boxes on both sides of the ball.

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I have no problem with Carter if neither Porter, Trae Young or Bamba is on the board.

I would, cuz if that happens JJJ is available

[JimmyJammer]

My opinion - Jabari Parker is a better version of what I think MPJ will become. There's some differences stylistically but essentially, for a score-1st combo forward, I like Jabari more, and they both have their injury issues.

I think Jabari has proven that he can shoot the rock (37% from 3 the last couple of years and 49% FG), has slightly better chops as a ball handler and passer, boards well (around 7 per 40 over the last couple of seasons), has similar scoring volume (20ppg sort of guy given the role and minutes), plays within a team offense better and is much more viable at the 3 than MPJ.

Obviously, that all comes down to his price point, because MPJ would be coming on a rookie scale deal as opposed to Jabari if you signed him, but all that aside, if you don't like Jabari regardless of injury history, then I think you should question you interest in MPJ. I've seen people talk about MPJ's ability to get to his shot as a rare ability that should be coveted at a very high level, but just remember, some of you also bash guys like Lavine and Parker for their deficiencies in the same breath, so consider MPJ's flaws as well when evaluating him.

I'm not sure either guy is a perfect fit given the defensive issues surrounding both, but I do believe that Jabari has star potential when healthy.

I think a combo forward needs to be on the cards somehow over the next few years. Miles Bridges, Knox or MPJ in this draft, Jabari in FA, or one of the many names like Zion Williamson, Sekou Doumbouya, Nassir Little, Rui Hachimura, Deandre Hunter in the 2019 draft.. there's plenty of avenues to acquire this piece. Either way, somebody who can both man that SF spot and slide up to the 4 effectively and allowing Lauri to play the 5 makes a tonne of sense. Out of those names, I'm not sure MPJ is an ideal fit unless he can make major changes to his decision making, passing, and most importantly, defense.

I agree with most of your assessment, but what have you seen from Jabari that makes you think he's a better option playing the 3 than MPJ?

For me, he's clearly a 4 in today's NBA which complicates his fit in Milwaukee because Giannis plays there primarily. Jabari's done his ACL twice now and has a huge frame, and that's without taking into account he didn't have much lateral speed to guard the perimeter coming into the league before he got hurt.

I think he's got more upside than MPJ overall, but his most successful position will be the 4 and I've seen little from him to show otherwise.

MPJ's best position will be at the 4 too. I've seen a ton of footage of him and with every minute more I'm more convinced he will be a 4 in the NBA. He and Lauri will not complement each other well, because they use the same spots. I don't know why some are convinced he is a 3, because he seems like a prototype stretch 4 to me.

We are not in a position to draft for need, we just should take the best player on the board with the highest potential. Besides, when all is said and done, Lauri will end up playing most of his minutes at the 5. Porter is the pick if he is there.

[johnnyvann840]

No way Beasley was consensus number 1.

JJ and Teague were reasonable gambles taken at end of 1st round . JJ has stuck around and has an NBA career.

Tyrus has all the tools but he was a mental midget .

McDermott was the only really WTF are you doing moment

Actually Taj was the late 1st that year they drafted James Johnson. JJ was actually picked early mid 1st, at 16th. Nevertheless, a good overall draft because they got Taj at high value.

The McDermott also has Gar written all over it. Iowa connections. Snell also as you said, (New Mexico). Teague is hard to get upset at (any 30th pick is likely going to be a fringe player) other than the reports that came out later from Ron Adams that Thibs and the coaching staff really really wanted Draymond Green. So, there's that. It wasn't just the draft day moves of the McDermott draft but the Taj and Doug trade later that were bad moves. All we have left from

the 16th and 19th pick along with the Bulls and Portlands 2nd the next year (one of which went to Philly and became Richaun Holmes) and an additional 2nd, AND Taj Gibson. Is Cameron Payne.

So, we not only botched that draft but all we recovered from it was Cam Payne. That is one hell of a haul to give up for Cam, especially when you look at the players that replaced those picks..

To break it all down, the Bulls traded Gary Harris, Jusef Nurkic, Richaun Holmes, Taj Gibson and two additional 2nd round picks for Cameron Payne

[mschmidt64]

Outside of the Doug deal, what recent Bulls drafting would have you to believe selecting Porter would be a mistake?

Denzel's going to be good, Portis is going to be even better. Nwaba was GREAT pick up & they may have even been right about Cameron Payne, who showed admirable signs in Fred's system. Lauri is going to be legend.

I trust Paxson & co. when it comes to draft picks. I expect the 22nd pick to be an excellent selection as well.

Seriously? Drafted

2013 Tony Snell
2012 Marquis Teague
2010 Kevin Seraphin and traded him and Hinrich for a trade exemption
2009 James Johnson took 5 years before he was anything for other teams
2007 Aaron Gray 2nd round


They make mistakes and let's not even go into trades for Larry Hughes and Drew Gooden or FA signings that were awful

None of these were very recent. 2013's tony snell/erik murphy draft sounds like Gar Forman. I think they Bulls have been trying to develop a working formula on draft picks in the last 5 years or so, which is why they've been more successful.

But if you want to go back, why not list Jimmy Butler from 2011? The year they took Gray, they took Noah also.

Let's not NOT aknowledge that the Bulls generally draft fairly well the majority of the time.

Also, why is Aaron Gray being listed as an example of bad drafting? Most second rounders are nothing, absolutely nothing.

Gray had a career in the league as a backup, if anything he's a positive example of a second rounder.