Wendell Carter Jr - The Block Panther Edition

[bad knees]

I just read in KC’s article in the hard copy Chicago Tribune that the Bulls declined to trade up with MEM because “the Bulls weren’t interested in swallowing the two years and $49 million remaining on Chandler Parsons’ contract.”

Make me barf. We’d rather spend that cap space on what - overpaying LaVine and then overpaying Portis?

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Goodwill and KC are both confirming that Memphis wanted us to give up 7, a future first and to take on Parsons contract.

That is not a good trade. We would've been stuck with a rebuilding team this year with no remaining cap to take on contracts and we wouldn't even get our own pick.

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Yeah that makes sense. It only takes DAL one future protected pick to move from 5 to 3 to take Doncic, but it would have cost the Bulls a future pick plus $49 M in cap space to move from 7 to 4 to take JJJ. The lengths some people will go to defend this FO never cease to amaze me.


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[Red Larrivee]

I just read in KC’s article in the hard copy Chicago Tribune that the Bulls declined to trade up with MEM because “the Bulls weren’t interested in swallowing the two years and $49 million remaining on Chandler Parsons’ contract.”

Make me barf. We’d rather spend that cap space on what - overpaying LaVine and then overpaying Portis?

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Goodwill and KC are both confirming that Memphis wanted us to give up 7, a future first and to take on Parsons contract.

That is not a good trade. We would've been stuck with a rebuilding team this year with no remaining cap to take on contracts and we wouldn't even get our own pick.

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Yeah that makes sense. It only takes DAL one future protected pick to move from 5 to 3 to take Doncic, but it would have cost the Bulls a future pick plus $49 M in cap space to move from 7 to 4 to take JJJ. The lengths some people will go to defend this FO never cease to amaze me.

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I'm merely going off what KC and Goodwill have both said.

KC:

The Bulls held trade talks with the Hawks, who owned the third pick, and the Grizzlies, who owned the fourth. In both cases, they didn’t want to sacrifice the future first-round picks it would’ve cost to move up a few spots for Jackson or Trae Young.

Vincent:

Trade offers were around, and the Bulls were enamored with Jaren Jackson Jr. and Marvin Bagley III in addition to their interest in Mohamed Bamba. But the price of swapping picks, along with giving up the 22nd spot and a future first-rounder was too rich for the Bulls, according to sources.

But sure continue to pretend Chicago didn't make a deal because they were too cheap or inept.

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[MGB8]

I just want to remind everyone that JJJ and Wendell Carter Jr have extremely similar measurements and JJJ isn't exactly an elite athlete.

JJJ is an elite athlete. Have you watched him. He's explosive - just as quick and explosive as Bagley. The issue is that he's not the natural offensive talent that Bagley is, and while more advanced on defense, still has a lot of refinement that he needs to do.

But he's a guy who you can compare to a young Amare or young McDyess - a potential top 10 player in the NBA at some point in time.

While Carter, while still clearly a good NBA prospect, is at best an Al Horford type (where Horford was more refined coming into the NBA, with more college seasoning - but therefore a better prospect coming in) and more comparable to the very good / very solid, but non-franchise corner-stone type talent, of a Myles Turner.

If it was just Parsons contract that was the issue (and that's how I read KC's article), the Bulls should have gotten that trade done. There's just a seriously big difference in talent level between JJJ vs. Carter.

[Ralphb07]

I just read in KC’s article in the hard copy Chicago Tribune that the Bulls declined to trade up with MEM because “the Bulls weren’t interested in swallowing the two years and $49 million remaining on Chandler Parsons’ contract.”

Make me barf. We’d rather spend that cap space on what - overpaying LaVine and then overpaying Portis?

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Goodwill and KC are both confirming that Memphis wanted us to give up 7, a future first and to take on Parsons contract.

That is not a good trade. We would've been stuck with a rebuilding team this year with no remaining cap to take on contracts and we wouldn't even get our own pick.

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Yeah that makes sense. It only takes DAL one future protected pick to move from 5 to 3 to take Doncic, but it would have cost the Bulls a future pick plus $49 M in cap space to move from 7 to 4 to take JJJ. The lengths some people will go to defend this FO never cease to amaze me.


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Bulls picked 7 as the Mavs picked 5. Young was going 6 so the Hawks weren’t going to get their guy so obviously they’d want more to compensate that

[bad knees]

I just read in KC’s article in the hard copy Chicago Tribune that the Bulls declined to trade up with MEM because “the Bulls weren’t interested in swallowing the two years and $49 million remaining on Chandler Parsons’ contract.”

Make me barf. We’d rather spend that cap space on what - overpaying LaVine and then overpaying Portis?


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Did the article mention that the Bulls intention is to use the money to overpay LaVine and Portis?

No, it did not, as you likely knew from how I phrased my post. That’s just my prediction. Let’s see what happens. If the Bulls have a brain, they will force LaVine to take a 1+1 contract this summer so that they can potentially have two max FA slots available next summer. But we all know in our heart of hearts that a large four year contract is coming.

And Portis will be kept and paid to come off the bench - do you think they will let him walk? I foresee 4/40, which would be the functional equivalent of stretching Parsons’ contract.


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[MGB8]

Goodwill and KC are both confirming that Memphis wanted us to give up 7, a future first and to take on Parsons contract.

That is not a good trade. We would've been stuck with a rebuilding team this year with no remaining cap to take on contracts and we wouldn't even get our own pick.

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Yeah that makes sense. It only takes DAL one future protected pick to move from 5 to 3 to take Doncic, but it would have cost the Bulls a future pick plus $49 M in cap space to move from 7 to 4 to take JJJ. The lengths some people will go to defend this FO never cease to amaze me.

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I'm merely going off what KC and Goodwill have both said.

KC:

The Bulls held trade talks with the Hawks, who owned the third pick, and the Grizzlies, who owned the fourth. In both cases, they didn’t want to sacrifice the future first-round picks it would’ve cost to move up a few spots for Jackson or Trae Young.

Vincent:

Trade offers were around, and the Bulls were enamored with Jaren Jackson Jr. and Marvin Bagley III in addition to their interest in Mohamed Bamba. But the price of swapping picks, along with giving up the 22nd spot and a future first-rounder was too rich for the Bulls, according to sources.

But sure continue to pretend Chicago didn't make a deal because they were too cheap or inept.

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I take KC's article to mean that the Grizzlies would have moved down either for Parsons or for future picks / 22... and Atlanta wanted the 22 and a future first.

[Ralphb07]

Goodwill and KC are both confirming that Memphis wanted us to give up 7, a future first and to take on Parsons contract.

That is not a good trade. We would've been stuck with a rebuilding team this year with no remaining cap to take on contracts and we wouldn't even get our own pick.

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Yeah that makes sense. It only takes DAL one future protected pick to move from 5 to 3 to take Doncic, but it would have cost the Bulls a future pick plus $49 M in cap space to move from 7 to 4 to take JJJ. The lengths some people will go to defend this FO never cease to amaze me.

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I'm merely going off what KC and Goodwill have both said.

KC:

The Bulls held trade talks with the Hawks, who owned the third pick, and the Grizzlies, who owned the fourth. In both cases, they didn’t want to sacrifice the future first-round picks it would’ve cost to move up a few spots for Jackson or Trae Young.

Vincent:

Trade offers were around, and the Bulls were enamored with Jaren Jackson Jr. and Marvin Bagley III in addition to their interest in Mohamed Bamba. But the price of swapping picks, along with giving up the 22nd spot and a future first-rounder was too rich for the Bulls, according to sources.

But sure continue to pretend Chicago didn't make a deal because they were too cheap or inept.

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I loved this draft because of depth but outside of Ayton, Bagley and Doncic I don’t think JJJ, Bamba and Young separate themselves much from Carter either so I am happy they didn’t give up the farm for one of them.

[MGB8]

Goodwill and KC are both confirming that Memphis wanted us to give up 7, a future first and to take on Parsons contract.

That is not a good trade. We would've been stuck with a rebuilding team this year with no remaining cap to take on contracts and we wouldn't even get our own pick.

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Yeah that makes sense. It only takes DAL one future protected pick to move from 5 to 3 to take Doncic, but it would have cost the Bulls a future pick plus $49 M in cap space to move from 7 to 4 to take JJJ. The lengths some people will go to defend this FO never cease to amaze me.


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Bulls picked 7 as the Mavs picked 5. Young was going 6 so the Hawks weren’t going to get their guy so obviously they’d want more to compensate that

Bad knees is talking about the Grizs (Bulls trading up from 7 to 4 - Atlanta had the #3).

[TheSuzerain]

The roster isn't locked in, but we don't have a war-chest of draft picks with which to transform the roster.

If the roster is to be transformed, it's to be with free agency and trades.

And our own draft picks. Which for at least one more year should be pretty valuable. But yes, more quality draft picks is even better.

I don't view that as transformative. It's one lotto pick per year.

If we are fortunate enough to draft a genuine superstar in the next couple years, then this will probably work out. But that's not a strategy, it's prayer.

[Red Larrivee]

Yeah that makes sense. It only takes DAL one future protected pick to move from 5 to 3 to take Doncic, but it would have cost the Bulls a future pick plus $49 M in cap space to move from 7 to 4 to take JJJ. The lengths some people will go to defend this FO never cease to amaze me.

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I'm merely going off what KC and Goodwill have both said.

KC:

The Bulls held trade talks with the Hawks, who owned the third pick, and the Grizzlies, who owned the fourth. In both cases, they didn’t want to sacrifice the future first-round picks it would’ve cost to move up a few spots for Jackson or Trae Young.

Vincent:

Trade offers were around, and the Bulls were enamored with Jaren Jackson Jr. and Marvin Bagley III in addition to their interest in Mohamed Bamba. But the price of swapping picks, along with giving up the 22nd spot and a future first-rounder was too rich for the Bulls, according to sources.

But sure continue to pretend Chicago didn't make a deal because they were too cheap or inept.

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I take KC's article to mean that the Grizzlies would have moved down either for Parsons or for future picks / 22... and Atlanta wanted the 22 and a future first.

It would've been 7 in both trades. Why would Memphis or Atlanta trade 3 or 5 for 22+? They didn't want out of the lottery. Atlanta wanted Young and Woj said Memphis had been working on selling Jackson on playing in Memphis all day.

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[Leslie Forman]

Great, so why are the other 28 teams lacking? You're acting like the majority of the NBA is switching and centers are defending guards on every play effectively, while our team is stuck in 1991 with two plodding bigs.

Carter and Markkanen both fit the profile of what teams want from a big now. Markkanen had respectable perimeter defense last season and Carter is way above the defensive curve of what most bigs have when they enter the league.

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The rest of the league is trying to get there. Look at what Phoenix did, basically making Josh Jackson their power forward. Look at the Clippers, who got rid of their pure power forward and then just drafted wings last night. Look at Houston, who just flat out stopped playing Ryan Anderson in the playoffs.

Markkanen is the biggest starting 4 in the league. "Respectable" at perimeter D? Please. The guy had worse defensive impact numbers than any big on this roster other than Felicio. Carter is obviously going to be one of the slowest and least explosive centers in this league. One of them you could probably get away with. Both of them together? Why?

Seriously why would you intentionally try to build a team like its 1990? This very damn franchise won titles basically playing small ball. This isn't some new thing. The Suns played Shawn Marion at the 4 for years. Larry Bird was actually a 4 when he first came into the league. Throw in today's more switch-heavy schemes and this looks like just being a luddite for the hell of it.

[JohnnyTapwater]

I now dub thee..

"Mr. Wendell"

Watch on YouTube

[waffle]

Lauri absolutely has the chance to be a superstar. Not predicting it but it is far from an impossibility.

[Ralphb07]

Yeah that makes sense. It only takes DAL one future protected pick to move from 5 to 3 to take Doncic, but it would have cost the Bulls a future pick plus $49 M in cap space to move from 7 to 4 to take JJJ. The lengths some people will go to defend this FO never cease to amaze me.


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Bulls picked 7 as the Mavs picked 5. Young was going 6 so the Hawks weren’t going to get their guy so obviously they’d want more to compensate that

Bad knees is talking about the Grizs (Bulls trading up from 7 to 4 - Atlanta had the #3).

Even then Memphis was in a different situation as they wanted to shed salary to move back.

[kulaz3000]

I just want to remind everyone that JJJ and Wendell Carter Jr have extremely similar measurements and JJJ isn't exactly an elite athlete.

JJJ is an elite athlete. Have you watched him. He's explosive - just as quick and explosive as Bagley.

I have to disagree with you there. Bagley is an elite athlete. JJJ is a good athelte.

[Poohdini1]

Great, so why are the other 28 teams lacking? You're acting like the majority of the NBA is switching and centers are defending guards on every play effectively, while our team is stuck in 1991 with two plodding bigs.

Carter and Markkanen both fit the profile of what teams want from a big now. Markkanen had respectable perimeter defense last season and Carter is way above the defensive curve of what most bigs have when they enter the league.

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The rest of the league is trying to get there. Look at what Phoenix did, basically making Josh Jackson their power forward. Look at the Clippers, who got rid of their pure power forward and then just drafted wings last night. Look at Houston, who just flat out stopped playing Ryan Anderson in the playoffs.

Markkanen is the biggest starting 4 in the league. "Respectable" at perimeter D? Please. The guy had worse defensive impact numbers than any big on this roster other than Felicio. Carter is obviously going to be one of the slowest and least explosive centers in this league. One of them you could probably get away with. Both of them together? Why?

Seriously why would you intentionally try to build a team like its 1990? This very damn franchise won titles basically playing small ball. This isn't some new thing. The Suns played Shawn Marion at the 4 for years. Larry Bird was actually a 4 when he first came into the league. Throw in today's more switch-heavy schemes and this looks like just being a luddite for the hell of it.

Exactly. Both of them together will surely never log big minutes in the playoffs. One of them will have to sit. What are we going to do vs Philly when they finish with Embiid as their only big? Ask Lauri to guard Simmons? Same goes for Boston, Milwaukee, etc.

[MGB8]

First: I don't hate the pick, I think he was arguably the BPA. That said, I hate that "A" part of the BPA. I'm not sure what trade was possible that could have netted us Bamba, but if it was Bobby or 22 that Donyell Marshall'd us I will be very mad. If there really wasn't a trade available, I guess I can accept that.

Second: I feel like the whole C narrative on this kid is need driven. He is 6'10 in shoes. That's undersized for a C. Especially with mediocre speed and leaping ability. His size and game are best suited to PF. It is the same argument that is used for Denzel Valentine playing SF. We already have a SG and Valentine is too slow to guard SG's.

Third: After watching him, I definitely see a bevvy of post and perimeter scoring skills, but I see a guy who is slow-footed and a guy who lacks defensive tenacity. He is smart, but so is Valentine, so is McDermott and that doesn't stop quick guys from blowing by them or bigger guys going over them.

My take-away is that we will force-fit this kid to a position where he will be routinely outmatched and remain a turn-style to the rim defensive team.

I wouldn't be so worried about forced fit.

Here are WCJrs combine measurements:

Wendell Carter C-PF 7.85% 8.50 9.00 6' 8.75'' 6' 10'' 9' 1'' 251.4 7' 4.5''

Here is C Jarrett Allen's from last year, virtually identical:

Jarrett Allen C 7.40% 9.50 10.50 6' 9'' 6' 10.25'' 9' 1.5'' 233.6 7' 5.25

Here's Steve Adams (taller, but no meaningful difference in reach, identical wingspan)

Steven Adams C 6.65% 9.50 11.00 6' 10.75'' 7' 0'' 9' 1.5'' 254.5 7' 4.5''

Nerlens Noel only has an extra inch in reach, and less wingspan...

Nerlens Noel C 4.15% 9.50 10.00 6' 10'' 6' 11.75'' 9' 2'' 206.4 7' 3.75''

[Red Larrivee]

Great, so why are the other 28 teams lacking? You're acting like the majority of the NBA is switching and centers are defending guards on every play effectively, while our team is stuck in 1991 with two plodding bigs.

Carter and Markkanen both fit the profile of what teams want from a big now. Markkanen had respectable perimeter defense last season and Carter is way above the defensive curve of what most bigs have when they enter the league.

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The rest of the league is trying to get there. Look at what Phoenix did, basically making Josh Jackson their power forward. Look at the Clippers, who got rid of their pure power forward and then just drafted wings last night. Look at Houston, who just flat out stopped playing Ryan Anderson in the playoffs.

Markkanen is the biggest starting 4 in the league. "Respectable" at perimeter D? Please. The guy had worse defensive impact numbers than any big on this roster other than Felicio. Carter is obviously going to be one of the slowest and least explosive centers in this league. One of them you could probably get away with. Both of them together? Why?

Seriously why would you intentionally try to build a team like its 1990? This very damn franchise won titles basically playing small ball. This isn't some new thing. The Suns played Shawn Marion at the 4 for years. Larry Bird was actually a 4 when he first came into the league. Throw in today's more switch-heavy schemes and this looks like just being a luddite for the hell of it.

And look at Boston, whose most common lineup included Aron Baynes and Al Horford up front.

Markkanen's perimeter defense was respectable last season. He was able to switch on guards and stay with them. He held his own in the mid post against quicker players. His defense was the biggest surprise of his game last season. Of course it didn't make a difference because Chicago was an awful defensive team last season.

This franchise won titles playing Michael Jordan. LeBron James won a title with a mediocre defensive frontcourt of Kevin Love and Tristan Thompson. The Warriors played JaVale **** McGee at center. If you have an all-time talent, you can get away with a lot of things in the NBA.

Chicago's frontcourt is far from outdated, nor does it lack overall mobility and athleticism.

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[bad knees]

Goodwill and KC are both confirming that Memphis wanted us to give up 7, a future first and to take on Parsons contract.

That is not a good trade. We would've been stuck with a rebuilding team this year with no remaining cap to take on contracts and we wouldn't even get our own pick.

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Yeah that makes sense. It only takes DAL one future protected pick to move from 5 to 3 to take Doncic, but it would have cost the Bulls a future pick plus $49 M in cap space to move from 7 to 4 to take JJJ. The lengths some people will go to defend this FO never cease to amaze me.

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I'm merely going off what KC and Goodwill have both said.

KC:

The Bulls held trade talks with the Hawks, who owned the third pick, and the Grizzlies, who owned the fourth. In both cases, they didn’t want to sacrifice the future first-round picks it would’ve cost to move up a few spots for Jackson or Trae Young.

Vincent:

Trade offers were around, and the Bulls were enamored with Jaren Jackson Jr. and Marvin Bagley III in addition to their interest in Mohamed Bamba. But the price of swapping picks, along with giving up the 22nd spot and a future first-rounder was too rich for the Bulls, according to sources.

But sure continue to pretend Chicago didn't make a deal because they were too cheap or inept.

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So you have quotes that say the Bulls balked at the pick, and I have an article that does not mention the pick but rather focuses on Parsons’ contract. Do you detect some dissembling?

And I am not talking about the Bulls being cheap. We are talking about cap space below the salary cap floor, not money out of Reinsdorf’s pocket. Dont try to label me as a Rein$dorfer.


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And if the trade wasn’t there, they should have just taken Mikal. Much more likely to build a championship team that includes Lauri and Mikal than one that includes Lauri and Wendell.

[Stanford]

I think this is a great pick. I love your frontcourt.

ofcourse you do. you are not fan of this team. But thanks. Good luck in Finals next year!