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[yosemiteben]

It's one thing to say we don't know what Monk will be yet. I completely agree with that.

But it's a real dumb argument to compare MCW's rookie season to Mitchell's, and to say Mitchell didn't play in any meaningful games.

Calling me dumb without backing it up... Real mature.

I didn't call you dumb. I said it was a real dumb argument, because it is.

It's dumb to say a team that advanced in the playoffs didn't play any meaningful games, and comparing it to a 19 win PHI team.

It's dumb to act like MCW's rookie stats are at all comparable to Mitchell's.

Like I said, I agree with your point that Monk is an unknown, but you are undermining your own credibility by acting like Mitchell has done anything yet.

By the way, Mitchell had a 1.1 bpm for the season. Lamb had a 0.9. Mitchell's bpm in the playoffs was 1.3. For anybody watching at home, Lamb's was a 12.8 in 2016.

What was MCW's his rookie season?

[316Hornets]

Gobert had a 4.3 for season and 5.1 bpm in playoffs. He's a big reason they advanced, not Mitchell.

MCW had a -0.2 bpm his rookie year.

[yosemiteben]

Gobert had a 4.3 for season and 5.1 bpm in playoffs. He's a big reason they advanced, not Mitchell.

So Mitchell averaging 28.5 ppg, 7.2 rpg, and 2.7 apg on 46.2% FG, 36.4% 3PT (on 7 attempts), and a TS% of 55.5% during their OKC series was not a big reason they advanced?

This is an absurd line of argument. It's ok to acknowledge that Mitchell was really good.

[316Hornets]

Gobert had a 4.3 for season and 5.1 bpm in playoffs. He's a big reason they advanced, not Mitchell.

So Mitchell averaging 28.5 ppg, 7.2 rpg, and 2.7 apg on 46.2% FG, 36.4% 3PT (on 7 attempts), and a TS% of 55.5% during their OKC series was not a big reason they advanced?

This is an absurd line of argument. It's ok to acknowledge that Mitchell was really good.

Zzz okc zzzzz. 2.7 assists is pathetic btw for a guy with 29 usage.

[CatgutStitches]

I think Mitchell is an excellent player, but IMO if you don't think Monk would have at LEAST matched (or exceeded) his scoring out put with his usage and long leash you're crazy. I can acknowledge his skills, but I still think we made the right pick overall.

[yosemiteben]

Gobert had a 4.3 for season and 5.1 bpm in playoffs. He's a big reason they advanced, not Mitchell.

So Mitchell averaging 28.5 ppg, 7.2 rpg, and 2.7 apg on 46.2% FG, 36.4% 3PT (on 7 attempts), and a TS% of 55.5% during their OKC series was not a big reason they advanced?

This is an absurd line of argument. It's ok to acknowledge that Mitchell was really good.

Zzz okc zzzzz. 2.7 assists is pathetic btw for a guy with 29 usage.

It is not possible for a player to average 29 ppg in a playoff series and not be a "big reason" why they advance. This is just silly.

If Monk posted that stat line, would you be trying to belittle it like you are with Mitchell?

[Liver_Pooty]

when he plays an important role in a meaningful game.

I guess you didn’t watch the playoffs then. I’m hoping monk will come good as well, but Mitchell has already had his meaningful successes in important games

I mean... say what? 24ppg, 6rpg, 4apg in 11 playoff games, while making it further in playoffs than hornets have been in 20 years.

this monk v mitchell debate reminds me of felton vs paul in 2005. one was a future HoF and one was a future spunky love chunks.

prove me wrong monk. do it. i dare you. best crow ever.

Monk needs to worry about becoming better than Luke Kennard, let alone Mitchell right now.

Monk will be fine though.

[316Hornets]

So Mitchell averaging 28.5 ppg, 7.2 rpg, and 2.7 apg on 46.2% FG, 36.4% 3PT (on 7 attempts), and a TS% of 55.5% during their OKC series was not a big reason they advanced?

This is an absurd line of argument. It's ok to acknowledge that Mitchell was really good.

Zzz okc zzzzz. 2.7 assists is pathetic btw for a guy with 29 usage.

It is not possible for a player to average 29 ppg in a playoff series and not be a "big reason" why they advance. This is just silly.

If Monk posted that stat line, would you be trying to belittle it like you are with Mitchell?

I don't even know what you are trying to argue. I just said Mitchell isn't all that and I project his raw game won't continue to see much progress. I'm not saying the guy is crap. But he's not this star that half this board is mad we missed.

[316Hornets]

By the way I love how people take one sentence out of my post and argue while ignoring everything else I said.

[yosemiteben]

By the way I love how people take one sentence out of my post and argue while ignoring everything else I said.

It's way too early to say Mitchell is...good at all.

I'll decide whether Mitchell is the real deal when he plays an important role in a meaningful game.

Mitchell's usage is through the roof so of course his stats are going to be padded

[Gobert's] a big reason they advanced, not Mitchell.


These are all absurd statements.

[TheKingofSting]

Cliff should have been fired as soon as he showed his ass by standing up on top of a table throwing a hissy fit, so unprofessional of a move!


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[MasterIchiro]

I wanted to snag Rivers for backup PG and for his expiring. I knew the Clippers were committed to SGA after trading up for him. They also have Beverly. Obviously they didn't want to take on salary. Yet one more testament to the difficulty in moving MKG and Marvin.

[LofJ]

I wanted to snag Rivers for backup PG and for his expiring. I knew the Clippers were committed to SGA after trading up for him. They also have Beverly. Obviously they didn't want to take on salary. Yet one more testament to the difficulty in moving MKG and Marvin.

We'll be able to move one of them, Mitch just needs to wait until free agency plays out.

[MasterIchiro]

I wanted to snag Rivers for backup PG and for his expiring. I knew the Clippers were committed to SGA after trading up for him. They also have Beverly. Obviously they didn't want to take on salary. Yet one more testament to the difficulty in moving MKG and Marvin.

We'll be able to move one of them, Mitch just needs to wait until free agency plays out.

I'm stressed about it. No team has ever been rumored to be interested in either player. Plus Cho failed to move either at the deadline despite his job being on the line. Damn I hope you're right.

[LofJ]

I wanted to snag Rivers for backup PG and for his expiring. I knew the Clippers were committed to SGA after trading up for him. They also have Beverly. Obviously they didn't want to take on salary. Yet one more testament to the difficulty in moving MKG and Marvin.

We'll be able to move one of them, Mitch just needs to wait until free agency plays out.

I'm stressed about it. No team has ever been rumored to be interested in either player. Plus Cho failed to move either at the deadline despite his job being on the line. Damn I hope you're right.

The only time the media reports on this team is when they want to trash MJ or talk about Dwight, Kemba, or Clifford (since he's so well liked by them). We don't have a good idea what teams are willing to trade for our guys.

[316Hornets]

About the only team in worse position than the Hornets in regards to the cap are the Washington Wizards. After giving Wall the supermax, they are squeezed hard to get talent. The most recent trade of Gortat for Rivers is an example of them trying to come up with some way to improve. I'm not impressed and expect them to trend downward while they pay Wall his royalty.

[countryboi]

About the only team in worse position than the Hornets in regards to the cap are the Washington Wizards. After giving Wall the supermax, they are squeezed hard to get talent. The most recent trade of Gortat for Rivers is an example of them trying to come up with some way to improve. I'm not impressed and expect them to trend downward while they pay Wall his royalty.

it didnt help that Wall and Gortat did get along, some times this game is about way more than money and talent.

[316Hornets]

Pretty sure PG13 is staying in OKC. He's not going to leave Melo and RB after one season.

So, the Lakers big 3 going have to be Kawhi, James, Kemba. Is that good enough to take out the Warriors?

All hypothetical of course. I don't think Magic Johnson is going to trade all his assets unless it's for a sure thing.

[LofJ]

Pretty sure PG13 is staying in OKC. He's not going to leave Melo and RB after one season.

So, the Lakers big 3 going have to be Kawhi, James, Kemba. Is that good enough to take out the Warriors?

All hypothetical of course. I don't think Magic Johnson is going to trade all his assets unless it's for a sure thing.

There is a lot of manufactured nonsense going around right now. It's being done to make it seem like Paul George and Lebron joining the Lakers was a tough decision for them, but they've both already decided. And Magic Johnson wishes the Spurs would trade Kawhi to him, but that isn't happening. Kawhi is most likely going to be traded to the 76'ers or Knicks.