Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 6

gravytrain24 · Post #1741 » by **gravytrain24** » Mon Jul 2, 2018 2:56 am

Aaron Gordon a 20 million dollar guy, interesting. He must have showed them uncle drew footage.

pcbothwel · Post #1742 » by **pcbothwel** » Mon Jul 2, 2018 3:03 am

Wow... Noel, Boogie, Favors, Howard really getting left out

80sballboy · Post #1743 » by **80sballboy** » Mon Jul 2, 2018 3:03 am

LeBron, Lance, Lonzo, Lavar, and Javale. That's a reality show that would zoom to number one. Assuming LeBron and Magic don't trade Lonzo.

pcbothwel · Post #1744 » by **pcbothwel** » Mon Jul 2, 2018 3:05 am

Interesting to see the amount... but probably peanuts. Good choice by Payton

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pcbothwel · Post #1745 » by **pcbothwel** » Mon Jul 2, 2018 3:07 am

im sorry... but LAL doesnt deserve Lebron... You cant pull another star, so you then surround that young team with Lance and Javale... dumb

Eli Babak · Post #1746 » by **Eli Babak** » Mon Jul 2, 2018 3:12 am

I can't understand why the Lakers signed clowns like Stephenson and McGee. They also have LaVar to deal with. Well, at least they'll be getting so much attention because they've been nothing since Kobe retired. Though I've to admit I liked their young core (Ball, Hart, Ingram, Kuzma) but now they're flushing it all away because of LeBron. Crazy times.

verbal8 · Post #1747 » by **verbal8** » Mon Jul 2, 2018 10:55 am

gravytrain24 wrote:CP3 4y-160m resigning with the Rockets

I wonder if they make a push for Leonard? They seem to have a very narrow window now. I can't see the 2nd half of that deal looking very good for the team.

verbal8 · Post #1748 » by **verbal8** » Mon Jul 2, 2018 11:02 am

Shoe wrote:
Dark Faze wrote:So our Paul George rental might have actually worked out. Sigh.

There's still the Kawhi rental. Maybe the Spurs would trade him to us to spite every other team. Otto, Sato, Brown, 1st. Or Beal + stuff. I don't think Ingram or Fultz are as appealing as they should be for a number 1 & 2.

I think the Wizards should probably stop at offering Porter(or some package around Beal). If the Spurs are focused on future assets, they are going to get a lot better deal elsewhere. What the Wizards are in a unique position to offer is another player in the beginning of his prime, and would also end up taking a bad contract as filler.

Post #1749 » by **Rafael122** » Mon Jul 2, 2018 1:05 pm

I was such a fan of the Pacers in the playoffs, was intrigued about them going after Gordon, and then they go out and give Doug McDermott $22 million.

verbal8 · Post #1750 » by **verbal8** » Mon Jul 2, 2018 2:38 pm

Rafael122 wrote:I was such a fan of the Pacers in the playoffs, was intrigued about them going after Gordon, and then they go out and give Doug McDermott $22 million.

That is a head scratcher. The deal Ersan got was also surprising.

verbal8 · Post #1751 » by **verbal8** » Mon Jul 2, 2018 3:01 pm

A move in the past but OKC essentially turned Ibaka into Paul George:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/sabondo01.html -
Transactions section for Sabonis:

June 23, 2016: Traded by the Orlando Magic with Ersan Ilyasova and Victor Oladipo to the Oklahoma City Thunder for Serge Ibaka.

June 23, 2016: Drafted by the Orlando Magic in the 1st round (11th pick) of the 2016 NBA Draft.

August 12, 2016: Signed a multi-year contract with the Oklahoma City Thunder

July 6, 2017: Traded by the Oklahoma City Thunder with Victor Oladipo to the Indiana Pacers for Paul George.

payitforward · Post #1752 » by **payitforward** » Mon Jul 2, 2018 3:11 pm

verbal8 wrote:A move in the past but OKC essentially turned Ibaka into Paul George:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/sabondo01.html -
Transactions section for Sabonis:
June 23, 2016: Traded by the Orlando Magic with Ersan Ilyasova and Victor Oladipo to the Oklahoma City Thunder for Serge Ibaka.

June 23, 2016: Drafted by the Orlando Magic in the 1st round (11th pick) of the 2016 NBA Draft.

August 12, 2016: Signed a multi-year contract with the Oklahoma City Thunder

July 6, 2017: Traded by the Oklahoma City Thunder with Victor Oladipo to the Indiana Pacers for Paul George.

Sounds good, doesn't it?

Except, what they really did was turn Oladipo & Sabonis into nothing at all.

PG is unrestricted.

verbal8 · Post #1753 » by **verbal8** » Mon Jul 2, 2018 3:18 pm

payitforward wrote:
verbal8 wrote:A move in the past but OKC essentially turned Ibaka into Paul George:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/sabondo01.html -
Transactions section for Sabonis:
June 23, 2016: Traded by the Orlando Magic with Ersan Ilyasova and Victor Oladipo to the Oklahoma City Thunder for Serge Ibaka.

June 23, 2016: Drafted by the Orlando Magic in the 1st round (11th pick) of the 2016 NBA Draft.

August 12, 2016: Signed a multi-year contract with the Oklahoma City Thunder

July 6, 2017: Traded by the Oklahoma City Thunder with Victor Oladipo to the Indiana Pacers for Paul George.

Sounds good, doesn't it?

Except, what they really did was turn Oladipo & Sabonis into nothing at all.

PG is unrestricted.

He agreed to re-sign in OKC.

gtn130 · Post #1754 » by **gtn130** » Mon Jul 2, 2018 3:20 pm

Do people also think John Wall on a super max is an extremely valuable asset? Maxed Paul George is a neutral asset at best, along with virtually every other maxed tier 2-3 player.

Sam Presti has drafted well, and failed at basically everything else.

payitforward · Post #1755 » by **payitforward** » Mon Jul 2, 2018 3:24 pm

Irrelevant. PG was an unrestricted FA. W/o any of those previous moves they could have signed him.

The strategy behind those previous moves (incl. acquiring Melo) was to go all in & contend for a title. They'd lost Harden & Durant; Presti felt he had to make some kind of attempt to put a flag on the wall before he lost Westbrook too.

It didn't work.

Kanyewest · Post #1756 » by **Kanyewest** » Mon Jul 2, 2018 4:20 pm

The odds of Paul George going to OKC would have significantly decreased had George not spent the last season with the Thunder where he was sold on living in Oklahoma City, playing with OKC, and its culture.

The Thunder essentially traded Ibaka for Paul George.

That being said, their prospects are limited based on how the Melo trade turned out.

dckingsfan · Post #1757 » by **dckingsfan** » Mon Jul 2, 2018 4:37 pm

gtn130 wrote:Do people also think John Wall on a super max is an extremely valuable asset? Maxed Paul George is a neutral asset at best, along with virtually every other maxed tier 2-3 player.

Sam Presti has drafted well, and failed at basically everything else.

He might be with San Antonio depending on the direction they want to go. Maybe?

Post #1758 » by **nate33** » Mon Jul 2, 2018 4:51 pm

I'm trying to get my arms around what LA is doing.

They had a payroll of $41M consisting of Ball, Ingram, Kuzma, Ennis, Hart, Wagner, Zubac and Deng's corpse.
They added Lebron at $36M, KCP and $12M, Mcgee at $2.4M and Lance at $4.5M, getting them up to a payroll of $96M for the following roster:

PG Ball, Ennis
SG Ingram, Hart
SF KCP, Lance, Deng
PF Lebron, Kuzma, Wagner
C McGee, Zubac

They still have about $3.5M of cap room left to spend, plus they can then spend the $4.4M Room Exception.

Next year, everyone comes off the books except Lebron, Ball, Ingram, Kuzma, Hart, Wagner and Deng; giving them a payroll of $78M. That should result in $32M in cap room to throw at Kawhi.

In the meantime, they are in need of cheap depth at center so they don't have to rely on McGee. I'd have to assume Noel is a priority, though a guy like O'Quinn might make more sense from a locker room professionalism perspective.

We're probably going to have to offer more than their best offer of $4.4M to get Noel. I don't know if Ted is willing to do that.

I'm a bit surprised at the Lance Stephenson signin, but everything else makes a lot of sense. It's a 2 year plan. This year they'll be as good as Lebron can take them, but not really in the class of Golden State. Next year, they're contenders.

Post #1759 » by **nate33** » Mon Jul 2, 2018 4:54 pm

pcbothwel wrote:Interesting to see the amount... but probably peanuts. Good choice by Payton

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Weird how the Pelicans have a bunch of guards who can't really shoot: Payton, Rondo, Jrue. They somehow made it work last year. We'll see if it can continue. Maybe they're planning on letting Rondo walk?

Post #1760 » by **LyricalRico** » Mon Jul 2, 2018 5:43 pm

nate33 wrote:I'm trying to get my arms around what LA is doing.

They had a payroll of $41M consisting of Ball, Ingram, Kuzma, Ennis, Hart, Wagner, Zubac and Deng's corpse.
They added Lebron at $36M, KCP and $12M, Mcgee at $2.4M and Lance at $4.5M, getting them up to a payroll of $96M for the following roster:

PG Ball, Ennis
SG Ingram, Hart
SF KCP, Lance, Deng
PF Lebron, Kuzma, Wagner
C McGee, Zubac

They still have about $3.5M of cap room left to spend, plus they can then spend the $4.4M Room Exception.

Next year, everyone comes off the books except Lebron, Ball, Ingram, Kuzma, Hart, Wagner and Deng; giving them a payroll of $78M. That should result in $32M in cap room to throw at Kawhi.

In the meantime, they are in need of cheap depth at center so they don't have to rely on McGee. I'd have to assume Noel is a priority, though a guy like O'Quinn might make more sense from a locker room professionalism perspective.

We're probably going to have to offer more than their best offer of $4.4M to get Noel. I don't know if Ted is willing to do that.

I'm a bit surprised at the Lance Stephenson signin, but everything else makes a lot of sense. It's a 2 year plan. This year they'll be as good as Lebron can take them, but not really in the class of Golden State. Next year, they're contenders.

Don't they also still have Randle's rights? Bringing him back and adding another vet like Tyreke Evans would definitely help. Even so, jumping on Lance/JaVale is still curious since I'd expect both of them to still be there a couple days from now. Once it sunk in around the league that LeBron was going to LA, I wonder what else might have opened up for them.

Oh and I wouldn't be surprised if they somehow still made a move involving Lonzo Ball, even if it's not for Kawhi Leonard.