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Kawhi Thread, Numero 4 -- Traded to Raptors for DeRozan, others

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Re: Kawhi Update Thread, Numero 4 

Post#701 » by 87rottweiler » Tue Jul 3, 2018 3:37 am

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ddb wrote:Kawhi not wanting to play and sign in Boston is not true. His preference is to play in LA for the Lakers. If the Lakers cannot get a deal done with San Antonio, and Kawhi has a choice of staying in San Antonio, or going to Boston in a trade with assurance that he will sign an extension, Kawhi is at a point where he would prefer Boston. Especially, with LeBron out of the East. Boston equals a great chance to compete in the finals every year, endorsements, etc. His camp is still very much so in the LA-state of mind and trying to figure out a way to get him there. But it's not even close to being a guarantee....

Woj thinks he's still set on wanting LA as of yesterday. You're hearing different? What's up with Phili's package? that's sounds like hot air to get LA to pick up their offer more. I've all but given up hope we'll get Leonard.

My issue is that Kawhi has to know we'd be a seriously powerful team with him in the fold. Irving/Hayward/Leonard/Horford is pretty nuts, before you even add whatever youth we keep on top of that. So it's not like if we traded for him, and did really well next year, that he'd be all surprised and suddenly won over.

For some combination of reasons, perhaps some that have very little to do with basketball and competitive opportunity, he really specifically wants LA.

Forget for a second that it's our team. Try to divorce yourself from our rooting biases. Imagine that Chicago was stacked with Irving/Brown/Hayward/Tatum/Horford, and were in prime position to land Leonard, and we saw that he was expressing zero interest in going there. That would be really weird. That's exactly the kind of team players are trying to shoot their way to in this super team era.

It just tells me that it's less about basketball than it probably should be. For that reason, I'm very much not confident in our ability to resign him, even after a great year. I just don't think this is a normal situation. If we acquire him, I think he'll just view it as having his cake and eating it to: getting away from SAS and getting to compete in the upcoming season, before ultimately winding up exactly where he wants to be anyway.


Quality post mate, agree wholeheartedly.


If I could springboard from this to my own tangent for a second, we drafted Brown and Tatum, they’re OURS. Pure green, they know NOTHING else, and that carries plenty of weight in my book, especially in today’s travel guide to the NBA.

Lets get real here, San Antonio seem to have ****** this thing up nicely. They knew all of this was right around the corner, and imo consciously invested more into coach Pop and the current regime, rather than preparing well in advance to hand the keys over to Kawhi.

Over recent years we’ve often been referred to as the Spurs East. Quite honestly, that sounds more of an insult today than a compliment. What are the chances of Danny after having drafted Kawhi, watching him walk away at the peak of his powers? Zilch.

Think of how you would’ve described Kawhi to someone if asked a year or so ago, compared to today. Two totally different people.

As of right now I’d be far more confident in LeBron, KD, Cousins, literally ANYONE re-signing after spending a season as a Celtic, than I would be in Leonard.

On behalf of the Boston Celtics I VEHEMENTLY decline any deal involving Brown for potentially one year of Kawhi. GAGF mate.

If he convinces Danny of his intent to re-sign after ‘19, then as always it’s all on our GM’s shoulders. God I’d love to know how Ainge goes about questioning / evaluating him.


“So, Kawhi. Who the **** are you, and in your own words, would you like to explain the last 12 months or so?”


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Re: Kawhi Update Thread, Numero 4 

Post#702 » by Valid » Tue Jul 3, 2018 3:43 am

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Thank god they didn’t.

If Cousins took 5 million...anything is possible


Anything who thought Boogie was ever close to elite because stats got a hard lesson in basketball. Just as with IT, they will blame the injuries, but the stone cold truth of it is that teams do and did not view them the same way fans do.

Kings didn’t get jack when they traded him, the Pels didn’t even try to keep him, and no one offered him a big deal in free agency.

The reason is that he is widely known as a mentally soft, habitually disruptive, coach killing, locker room cancer who has been absolutely detested by hundreds of people who have worked with and around him.

Told you so.


Then why did Danny try to sign him?

Except he didn't. Cousins tried to get Danny to sign him.
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Re: Kawhi Update Thread, Numero 4 

Post#703 » by Valid » Tue Jul 3, 2018 3:47 am

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Thank god they didn’t.

If Cousins took 5 million...anything is possible


Anything who thought Boogie was ever close to elite because stats got a hard lesson in basketball. Just as with IT, they will blame the injuries, but the stone cold truth of it is that teams do and did not view them the same way fans do.

Kings didn’t get jack when they traded him, the Pels didn’t even try to keep him, and no one offered him a big deal in free agency.

The reason is that he is widely known as a mentally soft, habitually disruptive, coach killing, locker room cancer who has been absolutely detested by hundreds of people who have worked with and around him.

Told you so.


He literally only has to play at 50% in the playoffs and they won’t lose a single game. The upgrade from Zaza to him at half strength is insane. But I agree With you as a whole

I have seen this posted twice now and it is absolutely asinine. They just lost five games in this past year's playoffs. To think that a hobbled Cousins who has never played on a winning team in his life is going to suddenly come through midseason and help lead the Warriors to an undefeated postseason is ridiculous.
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Re: Kawhi Update Thread, Numero 4 

Post#704 » by The Corey's » Tue Jul 3, 2018 3:57 am

Warriors are winning next years championship. Regardless of cousins play or not. Who Cares
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Re: Kawhi Update Thread, Numero 4 

Post#705 » by K For Three » Tue Jul 3, 2018 3:58 am

The Corey's wrote:Celtics are winning next years championship. Regardless of cousins play or not. Who Cares


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Re: Kawhi Update Thread, Numero 4 

Post#706 » by Captain_Caveman » Tue Jul 3, 2018 4:01 am

chrisab123 wrote:
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He literally only has to play at 50% in the playoffs and they won’t lose a single game. The upgrade from Zaza to him at half strength is insane. But I agree With you as a whole


The next time Boogie contributes to winning will be the first time. Couldn’t even do it in college.

He is overrated trash.


He’s an NBA champion now. There is zero chance this Warriors team doesn’t win.


So weak lol.
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Re: Kawhi Update Thread, Numero 4 

Post#707 » by The Corey's » Tue Jul 3, 2018 4:01 am

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The Corey's wrote:Celtics are winning next years championship. Regardless of cousins play or not. Who Cares


Fixed.


Maybe if curry breaks his leg and Tatum makes the same kind if jump brown did and Leonard gives us 25 minutes of defense. Might push it to 6
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Re: Kawhi Update Thread, Numero 4 

Post#708 » by FlatearthZorro » Tue Jul 3, 2018 5:00 am

The Corey's wrote:
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The Corey's wrote:Celtics are winning next years championship. Regardless of cousins play or not. Who Cares


Fixed.


Maybe if curry breaks his leg and Tatum makes the same kind if jump brown did and Leonard gives us 25 minutes of defense. Might push it to 6


If Leonard is on this team and we don't trade any of our core, the Warriors are done. They can sign Kevin Love to play with Cousins, too and it wont matter. Cousins is a fraud, and I wont be shocked if he gets exposed on this Warriors team as he can't play on defense at all!
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PLO wrote:Tatum played OK - took advantage of a few mismatches - decent on the defensive end. He is what we thought he was going into the season - a technically very proficient player operating close to his career ceiling as a rookie.
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Re: Kawhi Update Thread, Numero 4 

Post#709 » by chrisab123 » Tue Jul 3, 2018 5:20 am

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Captain_Caveman wrote:
Anything who thought Boogie was ever close to elite because stats got a hard lesson in basketball. Just as with IT, they will blame the injuries, but the stone cold truth of it is that teams do and did not view them the same way fans do.

Kings didn’t get jack when they traded him, the Pels didn’t even try to keep him, and no one offered him a big deal in free agency.

The reason is that he is widely known as a mentally soft, habitually disruptive, coach killing, locker room cancer who has been absolutely detested by hundreds of people who have worked with and around him.

Told you so.


He literally only has to play at 50% in the playoffs and they won’t lose a single game. The upgrade from Zaza to him at half strength is insane. But I agree With you as a whole

I have seen this posted twice now and it is absolutely asinine. They just lost five games in this past year's playoffs. To think that a hobbled Cousins who has never played on a winning team in his life is going to suddenly come through midseason and help lead the Warriors to an undefeated postseason is ridiculous.


Is it? They’re upgrading from Zaza/McGee and a hobbled Cousins who is still at 50% more talented than most of the centers in the league. Not ridiculous to think about that at all. The Warriors went from borderline D league talent at the 5 to an actual NBA center. I don’t think anyone is saying he’s going to be a beast but teams now will have to plan for him in the playoffs.

Has zero to do with him being elite and everything to do with the Warriors getting a legitimate center. Took away the one weakness (center) they had for the post season. Cousins at 50% is a major upgrade in the post season over those stiffs they’ve been running out there the last few years.
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Post#710 » by Fencer reregistered » Tue Jul 3, 2018 7:39 am

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I don't know if this is a statement from your point of view or you have sources on this, but if Kahwi gives an assurance to resign i think every player outside of Tatum should be available in a trade.


Wait a moment. Kawhi wants out of San Antonio so urgently that he'd rather be traded now with a commitment to stay in the new city rather than play out the year and be a free agent?
Spurs won't let Kawhi play a year then just bail. They aren't the Thunder.

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That's not really an answer. The Spurs control where Kawhi plays next season. But Kawhi controls what promises he makes now for what he'll do after that. You predicted that Kawhi would commit to Boston once it became clear he wasn't getting traded to the Lakers. I don't understand why Kawhi should be expected to do that.
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Re: Kawhi Update Thread, Numero 4 

Post#711 » by djFan71 » Tue Jul 3, 2018 8:18 am

How do people think Boogie at 50-70% is going to be able to play any D whatsoever? Conceivably he tries harder, IF it all goes right, but his lateral quickness is going to be nil.
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Re: Kawhi Update Thread, Numero 4 

Post#712 » by FootGurlie » Tue Jul 3, 2018 8:38 am

Marcus Morris, Semi Ojeleye, Yabu, Kings pick, Celtics 2019 pick - for Kawhi Leonard (one year rental)

Take down Cousins and Golden State in 2019.
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Re: Kawhi Update Thread, Numero 4 

Post#713 » by FootGurlie » Tue Jul 3, 2018 8:38 am

And then sign Jabari Parker for added depth.
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Re: Kawhi Update Thread, Numero 4 

Post#714 » by Fencer reregistered » Tue Jul 3, 2018 8:58 am

FootGurlie wrote:Marcus Morris, Semi Ojeleye, Yabu, Kings pick, Celtics 2019 pick - for Kawhi Leonard (one year rental)

Take down Cousins and Golden State in 2019.


Why, at this late stage in the discussion, did you bother proposing a trade that is illegal under league rules?
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Re: Kawhi Update Thread, Numero 4 

Post#715 » by Asian Celtic » Tue Jul 3, 2018 9:00 am

Somebody should make a list / poll for the believers and non-believers. So we'll see who eats crow. I'd rather roll with our team even if the odds are the same as fighting Thanos. I was emotionally high earlier and realized it was a mistake for caving in to the Warriors.

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Re: Kawhi Update Thread, Numero 4 

Post#716 » by Afam » Tue Jul 3, 2018 9:01 am

These trade proposals are bad. No chance of it happening especially for a star player.
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Re: Kawhi Update Thread, Numero 4 

Post#717 » by Asian Celtic » Tue Jul 3, 2018 9:03 am

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FootGurlie wrote:Marcus Morris, Semi Ojeleye, Yabu, Kings pick, Celtics 2019 pick - for Kawhi Leonard (one year rental)

Take down Cousins and Golden State in 2019.


Why, at this late stage in the discussion, did you bother proposing a trade that is illegal under league rules?


I think a Ballboy can have a pass eh? Take it easy sir. :wink:

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Re: Kawhi Update Thread, Numero 4 

Post#718 » by batabatuta » Tue Jul 3, 2018 9:03 am

If only Kwahi agrees to commit to Boston, even if you trade either one of Jaylen or Rozier, this could've been a matchup of epic proportions. Boston vs. GSW. All stars vs. all -stars.
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Re: Kawhi Update Thread, Numero 4 

Post#719 » by Asian Celtic » Tue Jul 3, 2018 9:09 am

Cousins is the Warriors' scapegoat.
They win the Chip = all good.
They lose = he's a locker room cancer.
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Re: Kawhi Update Thread, Numero 4 

Post#720 » by Tyakack » Tue Jul 3, 2018 9:37 am

batabatuta wrote:If only Kwahi agrees to commit to Boston, even if you trade either one of Jaylen or Rozier, this could've been a matchup of epic proportions. Boston vs. GSW. All stars vs. all -stars.


Still holding out hope for leonard until the bitter end. That finals matchup would be nuts.

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