Zach Lavine: Offered 4/80 from Kings update p26 Bulls Matched

Dresden · Post #181 » by **Dresden** » Sat Jul 7, 2018 12:25 am

We'll be better off without him. He bogged down the offense, he shot poorly, he and Dunn did not mesh well, and by one measure at least, he was one the 5 worst defenders in the league last year. What about that is worth 20 mil a year?

Plug Blakeney/Hutch into the 2 spot and let them have at it. Much rather do that than have that albatross of a contract hanging over us for 4 years.

TheStig · Post #182 » by **TheStig** » Sat Jul 7, 2018 12:25 am

Please don't match, please don't match, please don't match!

I wish him luck in Sac. He's gonna need it!

Post #183 » by **DASMACKDOWN** » Sat Jul 7, 2018 12:25 am

nomorezorro wrote:i still think the bulls should prrrrobably match just from a talent-retention perspective but this is basically right at my breaking point. not going to sweat it either way, honestly

i think the biggest takeaway is that it's a bad idea to start your rebuild by acquiring a questionable prospect coming off ACL surgery and destined for free agency in one year

There are also a combination of unforseen actions that also makes the decision even harder.

Think of it this way...

1)He is coming off a serious injury so what we saw is probably no where near what he is capable of. But its still in question
2)Lauri by all accounts wasnt predicted to be this good. At least not right away. That totally changed the outlook.
3) Dunn, Lavine and Lauri played liked 30 total minutes together. And in those 30 minutes, had like zero chemistry.

Its hard because suppose we resign Zach and the trio of Dunn, Lavine and Lauri just have no chemistry. And its rather horrible. We will instantly regret the deal and probably would be looking to trade Zach or someone else probably a month into the season.

Im sure the Bulls dont want those problems.

I can understand if they do match his offer if they really believe in him. But I am also fine with letting him go and making this fully Lauri's and rest of the young squad.

Then play the lottery game one mroe time to get RJ Barrett or Zion or some other stud in this draft.

Red8911 · Post #184 » by **Red8911** » Sat Jul 7, 2018 12:26 am

JohnnyTapwater wrote:Once the price-tag exceeded 17.25M per IMO, we were overpaying IMO.
Once you get as high as Sac was willing to go, you need that player to make a positive impact on the defensive side of the game.
20M is way too much for a 1 dimensional player that believes he's something that he's not.

I WOULD like to get SOMETHING for him. How would a sign-and trade work for Buddy Hield?

Does anybody know?

Idk the answer but I wouldn’t mind Hield. Hes nothing special and inconsistent but he might actually be a better fit with Dunn or a very good off the bench scorer. If thats available bulls should do it right away,this way at least they don’t lose Lavine for nothing and don’t pay that ridiculous contract.

madvillian · Post #185 » by **madvillian** » Sat Jul 7, 2018 12:26 am

let zach walk and sign Jabari to a 1+1 and call it an off-season. If Jabari balls out, he's trade bait. If he sucks, who cares, he's off the books next summer.

League Circles · Post #186 » by **League Circles** » Sat Jul 7, 2018 12:26 am

I don't think a poll can be added or changed or whatever to the other thread so I thought we should have a concise place to see how the fan base feels.

Let's keep the discussion over there and just have the poll.

Costa78 · Post #187 » by **Costa78** » Sat Jul 7, 2018 12:27 am

When Aaron Gordon signed his 4yr 84 Million contract i said that it set the market for Zach. Same age, athletic potential, and inconsistencies so it seemed like a solid comparison. Someone told me it was like comparing apples to oranges, yet here we are with nearly identical offers. Now its on GarPax to detemine whether or not they have the stones to pay $20m for Zachs potential. If not, can they possibly extract some assets from Sacramento in return.

HoopsterJones · Post #188 » by **HoopsterJones** » Sat Jul 7, 2018 12:27 am

If he walks then the Bulls are proper tanking next year right?

IliketheBullsNBearstoo · Post #189 » by **IliketheBullsNBearstoo** » Sat Jul 7, 2018 12:27 am

madvillian wrote:What kind of dude gets a 80 million dollar guaranteed contract offer and his first instinct is to go on Twitter and bash his current team?

Not one I want around.

Did he actually go on twitter and bash his team?

He's not the only RFA not happy with not getting an offer from his current team.

Benedict Miller · Post #190 » by **Benedict Miller** » Sat Jul 7, 2018 12:27 am

C - Carter
PF - Markkanen
SF - Valentine
SG - Hutchison
PG - Dunn

Lottery bound for the next few years.

In need of wings, point guards and shooters.

HoopsterJones · Post #191 » by **HoopsterJones** » Sat Jul 7, 2018 12:28 am

Costa78 wrote:When Aaron Gordon signed his 4yr 84 Million contract i said that it set the market for Zach. Same age, athletic potential, and inconsistencies so it seemed like a solid comparison. Someone told me it was like comparing apples to oranges, yet here we are with nearly identical offers. Now its on GarPax to detemine whether or not they have the stones to pay $20m for Zachs potential. If not, can they possibly extract some assets from Sacramento in return.

Comparison is similar except Zach had torn his ACL. I think the Kings are guessing that the Bulls won’t match.

JohnnyTapwater · Post #192 » by **JohnnyTapwater** » Sat Jul 7, 2018 12:28 am

RedBulls23 wrote:

Read on Twitter
?s=19

Yeah, please let this dude walk.

I think the fan base is in lock step on this turn of events.

This comment screams douche-bag. It makes it much easier for me to accept passing.

I want RJ Barrett anyway.

Post #193 » by **RedBulls23** » Sat Jul 7, 2018 12:28 am

Read on Twitter

?s=19

Just do the opposite of what the kings do and you'll probably be okay in building a team.

RememberLu · Post #194 » by **RememberLu** » Sat Jul 7, 2018 12:29 am

IliketheBullsNBearstoo wrote:
madvillian wrote:What kind of dude gets a 80 million dollar guaranteed contract offer and his first instinct is to go on Twitter and bash his current team?

Not one I want around.

Did he actually go on twitter and bash his team?

He's not the only RFA not happy with not getting an offer from his current team.

He didn't bash the team, he said I'm disappointed and I guess the Kings want me more.

Ugly Duckling · Post #195 » by **Ugly Duckling** » Sat Jul 7, 2018 12:29 am

We should have offered him 5/87.5 like I've been saying

Jcool0 · Post #196 » by **Jcool0** » Sat Jul 7, 2018 12:29 am

Read on Twitter

Betta Bulleavit · Post #197 » by **Betta Bulleavit** » Sat Jul 7, 2018 12:29 am

RedBulls23 wrote:

Read on Twitter
?s=19

Yeah, please let this dude walk.

This is nothing more than posturing on Zach’s part. He wants to be a Bull and he’s simply saying “hey, you challenged me to test the market, I did and this is what’s out there for me. Didn’t want to but you made me...”. Let’s not get off into our feelings about it too much.

Post #198 » by **AshyLarrysDiaper** » Sat Jul 7, 2018 12:30 am

JohnnyTapwater wrote:
RedBulls23 wrote:

Read on Twitter
?s=19

Yeah, please let this dude walk.

I think the fan base is in lock step on this turn of events.

This comment screams douche-bag. It makes it much easier for me to accept passing.

I want RJ Barrett anyway

The silver lining is Zach’s here to help you get him.

nomorezorro · Post #199 » by **nomorezorro** » Sat Jul 7, 2018 12:30 am

BoogieTime wrote:I got nothing...

Please match

i gotta say i admired your faith that your front office was not comprised of total morons

i remember when i was that naive...

TheJordanRule · Post #200 » by **TheJordanRule** » Sat Jul 7, 2018 12:30 am

G Buckets wrote:
ryan44 wrote:
G Buckets wrote:If they have decided to let him walk, we could hear them going after Parker soon.

Double the ACL surgeries = double the potential?

Just going by the report a few days ago that they have interest in Parker. Felt like plan B.

That would be incredibly stupid. There are good SGs still available. And Parker has had two ACLs. Yuck.

Match? 4 yrs 78 mil