Zach Lavine: Offered 4/80 from Kings update p26 Bulls Matched

[KingFox]

Well that was short lived. Glad the Bullls didn’t wait too long to do it. I don’t feel great about it, but we haven’t had too many people with as much raw talent as LaVine. At a certain point you have to take a chance and rely on your coachingg staff and players to put the work in and develop their game.

I will say, i have more confidence in you all helping to further develop his game than i do in my kings. At the moment anyway. I actually like our current front office but im not sure Coach Joerger is the right fit for young guys like this

[Stratmaster]

They got Lauri and Dunn out of the deal. That's a solid starter at worst and another potential solid starter or at worst solid backup PG on a contender.

Information changed from the time of the trade to now and the Bulls, rather than be happy that they got good value (good job scouting team on Lauri) decided to "go big or go home" when there was ZERO reason to go big or go home.

The biggest problem the FO has is that they are incredibly rigid in their thought process and do not adapt on the fly.

What information changed?

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Lauri turned into the potential 2nd banana on the next great Bulls team and Zach gave 25+ games of evidence that he's the same no D playing chucker that he was before the injury.

So what if you didn't get three studs from the trade, you got one and possibly one solid starter. Just move on.

What does Lauri bring better than expected have to do with how much Zach is worth?

I guess if you want to judge a guy's career on 25 games coming back mid season from injury you can do that.

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[WindyCityBorn]

I don't even feel the need to respond any more. A day later I'm still elated.

[Stratmaster]

Only the analytic geeks who don't watch games and are angry.4 years 78 mil with injury protection is a good deal for a 23 year old

If lavine doesn't workout like the bulls hope then they can trade him.There's always some dumb ass desperate team like the kings or nets who will take him.

You don't let assets walk for silly pie in the sky scenarios like 2 max slots

Nice analysis.

I watch the games, and he didn't look like a winning basketball player at any stage.

And (eventually) winning is the point here. The point is not for LaVine to average 26ppg in losses or to get him an All-Star nod.

So you think the Bulls should have let him walk? Is that the latest great tank strategy? Gather assets and then just let them walk?

I can't believe how far off this board is on this take. We sound clueless.

What price should you have been willing to match?

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[Stratmaster]

What on Earth do you mean? They didn't have to pay him.

Sure. They can let Dunn walk when he comes up too. Acquiring young assets, and then letting them walk for nothing. What a great tank strategy.

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And of course they absolutely should let Dunn walk if he doesn't improve significantly. Players are really only assets if they are good Beyond their rookie contracts.

Miami let #2 overall pick Michael Beasley walk for nothing to the tune of 4 consecutive finals and 2 rings. The Lakers just let a top 10 pick walk in Randle so they could sign Lebron. The list goes on and on. Great teams don't commit to mediocre players for the long term. Unless they are already great and the mediocre player in question is an important role player who fills a need.

So...get young assets...tank... then let the assets walk. Makes great sense.

Did the Bulls just miss it on LBJ because they signed Lavine?

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[madvillian]

Only the analytic geeks who don't watch games and are angry.4 years 78 mil with injury protection is a good deal for a 23 year old

If lavine doesn't workout like the bulls hope then they can trade him.There's always some dumb ass desperate team like the kings or nets who will take him.

You don't let assets walk for silly pie in the sky scenarios like 2 max slots

Nice analysis.

I watch the games, and he didn't look like a winning basketball player at any stage.

And (eventually) winning is the point here. The point is not for LaVine to average 26ppg in losses or to get him an All-Star nod.

So you think the Bulls should have let him walk? Is that the latest great tank strategy? Gather assets and then just let them walk?

I can't believe how far off this board is on this take. We sound clueless.

What price should you have been willing to match?

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He's not an asset at 20 million a year. It's debatable if he's an asset if he was willing to play for free. This isn't even a Kris Dunn like situation where the advanced stats are mixed or lukewarm at best -- this is a guy consistently ranked almost dead **** lost in the league when you factor in his incredibly awful defense.

[Stratmaster]

Sure. They can let Dunn walk when he comes up too. Acquiring young assets, and then letting them walk for nothing. What a great tank strategy.

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And of course they absolutely should let Dunn walk if he doesn't improve significantly. Players are really only assets if they are good Beyond their rookie contracts.

Miami let #2 overall pick Michael Beasley walk for nothing to the tune of 4 consecutive finals and 2 rings. The Lakers just let a top 10 pick walk in Randle so they could sign Lebron. The list goes on and on. Great teams don't commit to mediocre players for the long term. Unless they are already great and the mediocre player in question is an important role player who fills a need.

Got to know when to hold em and went to fold em. LaVine couldn’t have been worse here, was bad in Minnesota, and his moronic tweets, statements coming through the media only make it worse.

I barely saw any more reason to give him $80M than valentine, Nwaba, and kilpatrick.

Your last sentence says it all.

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[Betta Bulleavit]

Nice analysis.

I watch the games, and he didn't look like a winning basketball player at any stage.

And (eventually) winning is the point here. The point is not for LaVine to average 26ppg in losses or to get him an All-Star nod.

So you think the Bulls should have let him walk? Is that the latest great tank strategy? Gather assets and then just let them walk?

I can't believe how far off this board is on this take. We sound clueless.

What price should you have been willing to match?

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He's not an asset at 20 million a year. It's debatable if he's an asset if he was willing to play for free. This isn't even a Kris Dunn like situation where the advanced stats are mixed or lukewarm at best -- this is a guy consistently ranked almost dead **** lost in the league when you factor in his incredibly awful defense.

So one of the worst (if not the worst) player in the league just got offered two 20M a year contracts?

[League Circles]

Sure. They can let Dunn walk when he comes up too. Acquiring young assets, and then letting them walk for nothing. What a great tank strategy.

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And of course they absolutely should let Dunn walk if he doesn't improve significantly. Players are really only assets if they are good Beyond their rookie contracts.

Miami let #2 overall pick Michael Beasley walk for nothing to the tune of 4 consecutive finals and 2 rings. The Lakers just let a top 10 pick walk in Randle so they could sign Lebron. The list goes on and on. Great teams don't commit to mediocre players for the long term. Unless they are already great and the mediocre player in question is an important role player who fills a need.

So...get young assets...tank... then let the assets walk. Makes great sense.

Did the Bulls just miss it on LBJ because they signed Lavine?

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We'll never know how committing this money to LaVine may negatively affect our free agents outcomes. But it's definitely feasible that it ends up being the difference between adding two and zero high impact free agents next summer for example.

And how we arrived at this situation should not bear any impact on how we should handle it. I did not want to tank. I never wanted Zach LaVine particularly. the fact that we tanked and that we traded Jimmy Butler a drastically Superior player for Zach LaVine should bear no impact on how we assess whether or not Zach is good to have on the contract that we are signing him to right now.

[BR0D1E86]

And his response should be “While we respect the thoughts and opinions of our fan base, it’s important to understand that we are tasked with the responsibility of seeing the cube rather than just a square. Fans have the luxury of calling shots from a keyboard with emotional rationalizations. As true professionals in this field, we don’t have that luxury. We must operate with logic and see the big picture. And that is why we made the logical decision to match this offer. It fits where we are trying to go and we are confident that people will see that in due time”. Yeah...that’s about right. And I’d endorse that 100%.

Yep, I totally agree. But if this thread has done one thing it's given the FO haters a platform and a chance to fully reveal themselves.

Except that I'm notorious here as one of the biggest FO supporters/apologists. I just can't justify this move.

Same. I’ve been openly mocked as a front office apologist. But when they do something like this that is so predictably obvious to fail, it is what it is.

[blicka]

This forum seriously has to stop overrating jimmy butler.The dude was a good player,stop actin like he was a superstar

The bulls got essentially 4 players who were drafted 5-13 for a 30th pick who overachieved and broke out at age 25.I'll take that trade off anyday of the week

[madvillian]

So you think the Bulls should have let him walk? Is that the latest great tank strategy? Gather assets and then just let them walk?

I can't believe how far off this board is on this take. We sound clueless.

What price should you have been willing to match?

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He's not an asset at 20 million a year. It's debatable if he's an asset if he was willing to play for free. This isn't even a Kris Dunn like situation where the advanced stats are mixed or lukewarm at best -- this is a guy consistently ranked almost dead **** lost in the league when you factor in his incredibly awful defense.

So one of the worst (if not the worst) player in the league just got offered two 20M a year contracts?

Yep by the Kings and Bulls. Two of the worst run franchises in the league.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

That just means he’d be paid like the 2nd best player on the typical roster. Is he that guy? Hasn’t played like it (or anywhere close).

I know. 24 games under his belt after ACL tear..he should have been well rested and playing in midseason form.

He was killing his teams before the ACL tear too. His impact last year was not a new thing.

Not to mention we’ve seen guys like Jamal Crawford come back from an ACL on the Bulls and didn’t look that terrible.

Right. We’re talking about the last four years.

[Betta Bulleavit]

Yep, I totally agree. But if this thread has done one thing it's given the FO haters a platform and a chance to fully reveal themselves.

Except that I'm notorious here as one of the biggest FO supporters/apologists. I just can't justify this move.

Same. I’ve been openly mocked as a front office apologist. But when they do something like this that is so predictably obvious to fail, it is what it is.

What exactly makes failure so predictable here? Oh....the stats right? No offense, but you guys are being very very short sighted here.

[Betta Bulleavit]

He's not an asset at 20 million a year. It's debatable if he's an asset if he was willing to play for free. This isn't even a Kris Dunn like situation where the advanced stats are mixed or lukewarm at best -- this is a guy consistently ranked almost dead **** lost in the league when you factor in his incredibly awful defense.

So one of the worst (if not the worst) player in the league just got offered two 20M a year contracts?

Yep by the Kings and Bulls. Two of the worst run franchises in the league.

Okay. I respect the solidarity of your stance. But I think it’s highly irrational. And I will leave it there.

[madvillian]

So one of the worst (if not the worst) player in the league just got offered two 20M a year contracts?

Yep by the Kings and Bulls. Two of the worst run franchises in the league.

Okay. I respect the solidarity of your stance. But I think it’s highly irrational. And I will leave it there.

I hope Zach makes a fool out of me. Obviously I just don't see it.

[Jcool0]

He's not an asset at 20 million a year. It's debatable if he's an asset if he was willing to play for free. This isn't even a Kris Dunn like situation where the advanced stats are mixed or lukewarm at best -- this is a guy consistently ranked almost dead **** lost in the league when you factor in his incredibly awful defense.

So one of the worst (if not the worst) player in the league just got offered two 20M a year contracts?

Yep by the Kings and Bulls. Two of the worst run franchises in the league.

How are the Bulls one of the two worst run franchises? Some of you really love being overly dramatic here.

[Stratmaster]

He's not an asset at 20 million a year. It's debatable if he's an asset if he was willing to play for free. This isn't even a Kris Dunn like situation where the advanced stats are mixed or lukewarm at best -- this is a guy consistently ranked almost dead **** lost in the league when you factor in his incredibly awful defense.

So one of the worst (if not the worst) player in the league just got offered two 20M a year contracts?

Yep by the Kings and Bulls. Two of the worst run franchises in the league.

This has now passed the point of being ridiculous. Y'all keep moaning and crying about something we knew was going to happen when the Butler trade was made. What is so maddening is none of these slams against Lavine were brought up before his 24 game mid season return from injury.

Seems like all the Lauri fans are afraid somehow Lauri won't get his shots now. All the Butler fans think this is going to prevent a Butler return (which in and of itself would make the 20 mil worth it).

So I willl ask again. What was the right number for the contract? You in the MLE camp?



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[Jcool0]

Yep by the Kings and Bulls. Two of the worst run franchises in the league.

Okay. I respect the solidarity of your stance. But I think it’s highly irrational. And I will leave it there.

I hope Zach makes a fool out of me. Obviously I just don't see it.

[madvillian]

Okay. I respect the solidarity of your stance. But I think it’s highly irrational. And I will leave it there.

I hope Zach makes a fool out of me. Obviously I just don't see it.

Trust me I follow the laundry dude. If Lavine is great, leads the Bulls back to relevancy I literally couldn't care less about some stickers on an Internet forum.