Howard signs a 2 year deal for the tax MLE with a player option per Woj

[dckingsfan]

People get stupid when you mention Wall. Disagree with me all you want, but if you call me an idiot you better have a mirror to know what one looks like for sure.

It isn't stupid - it is emotional.

For (SWAG) 1/2 of the posters on this forum - John is their favorite player.

And for the longest time - we didn't make the playoffs - those same fans don't want to start a rebuild regardless of how short.

Talking about salary cap constraints against actually watching their favorite player play - you aren't going to change anyone's mind.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

John Wall has been a Wizard for like 8 years.

Suggesting a trade to the Lakers is something that can put him in the Hall of Fame some day.

It is also something that can project the Wizards with more wins in the future.

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People get stupid when you mention Wall. Disagree with me all you want, but if you call me an idiot you better have a mirror to know what one looks like for sure.

It isn't stupid - it is emotional.

For (SWAG) 1/2 of the posters on this forum - John is their favorite player.

And for the longest time - we didn't make the playoffs - those same fans don't want to start a rebuild regardless of how short.

Talking about salary cap constraints against actually watching their favorite player play - you aren't going to change anyone's mind.

Add to that the fact that maybe most posters are Wizards fans but maybe not necessarily overall NBA fans. They only really know a lot about one team, the Wizards.

For that reason, it's difficult for them to assess other teams' players in comparison to ours. Sometimes that can lead them to have too high an opinion of one of our guys (Beal is the poster boy for that), but it can also make them underestimate one of the Wizards (Porter is the poster boy for that).

But they are right about one important thing -- being in the playoffs beats missing the playoffs. It's really a whole lot better! For that reason, they are quite a good corrective against extremists such as myself -- all I care about is building a team that can legitimately contend for a title. If we need to crash & burn first -- get to it!!

That's the way I am, & I ain't changing. But, that doesn't make it the only reasonable point of view, right?

Yes it does!!!!! Does Does Does Does!!!

[gambitx777]

I've been on the trade wall wagon for a few months now, i just think we need players who are around as talented as wall but it is more important to have players who value winning a tittle and being great as much as they value being rich, spending money, and banging strippers. Wall is a really special player, and if he ever took this seriously or if he ever did we would be a contender. But he has not and probably never will. So trade him NOW! before his contract becomes un movable.

[FAH1223]

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I've been on the trade wall wagon for a few months now, i just think we need players who are around as talented as wall but it is more important to have players who value winning a tittle and being great as much as they value being rich, spending money, and banging strippers. Wall is a really special player, and if he ever took this seriously or if he ever did we would be a contender. But he has not and probably never will. So trade him NOW! before his contract becomes un movable.

John Wall has been a Wizard for like 8 years.

Suggesting a trade to the Lakers is something that can put him in the Hall of Fame some day.

It is also something that can project the Wizards with more wins in the future.

The salary cap is going to $108M next year and then $116M the year after.

John's contract won't be that bad going forward.

My issue with moving him is, they never got a truly innovative coach for him to play for here. They never picked off someone who ran a motion offense with intensive movement and cutting of all guys on the court. He'd have that in LA with Luke Walton.

If there's one thing Wall could be great at is being an off ball player because of his size and athleticism... and its good he's improved his shot.

[80sballboy]

Dwight Howard has played for how many coaches? 15? He's known as a coach killer so for those who hate Scott Brooks, this might be a blessing in disguise.

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Salient quote from Kev's article: "...this isn’t a move I would have made"

[FAH1223]

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

You'd take Ball over John Wall???

Then I was 100% correct before when I said you were an idiot you just made my case for me

ROOKIE DEAL PLAYER 1
Player 1 https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/balllo01.html

$7,461,960
$8,719,320
$11,003,782


SUPER MAX CONTRACT PLAYER 2
Player 2 https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/walljo01.html

$19,169,800
$37,800,000
$40,824,000

$43,848,000
$46,872,000

BurtGummer Lonzo Ball will make $27.2M over the next three years, COMBINED. John Wall will make $97.8M over the next 3 season...so, that's $70M right there. (You're going to pay 23M a year more PLUS whatever luxury tax)... AND YOU WILL STILL OWE WALL $102 MILLION MORE in years 4 and 5 (his player option)...REGARDLESS OF HIS KNEEs which might require additional surgery...


NOTE: The Wizards are over the luxury tax (I would rather have 2nd year Ball, in hopes he improves, because his salary is MUCH MORE COST EFFECTIVE).

Wall's super max is an albatross.

YOU CALLED ME AN IDIOT BUT PERHAPS YOU DIDN'T READ well.. THAT'S WHY I PUT BIG FONT and EVEN RED so that your comprehension can be enhanced.

So if Ball is cheaper that makes him better?Not to mention the bs that his father brings
If you'd seriously take Ball then I'd suggest you need to remove your head from your a**

I'm disabled with a mental health condition so you are NOT the first to think my head is up my arse...

You're prone to launch personal attacks.

A discussion really shouldn't get personal but okay I'll play your game. It's kind of fun because we got nothing else to do over the summer. Great minds talk about ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small-minded people talk about people.

It's kind of a Moneyball thing with Lonzo ball as far as I'm concerned. He is not better but if you look at 20 year old wall and compare him with 19 year old Lonzo Ball they're in the same ballpark no pun intended.

Neither one of them can shoot. I remember a season where John Wall made three 3-pointers out of 41 attempts. Now John Wall can hit and open 3 and most often does when he sets his feet right. John squares his shoulders and he has a nice follow through but it's a very slow release on his open threes. In clutch time I think he is a poor shooter even at this point in his career.

Lonzo Ball is taller and longer than John Wall I think. John is faster but I believe Lonzo is every bit as quick especially on defense. I believe Lonzo is a better defender than John Wall but I could be very wrong about that.

BG, the lower salary allows WASHINGTON'S FRONT OFFICE TO HAVE OPTIONS and choices with NO LUXURY TAX.

They can quietly pursue Kawhi Leonard if he's healthy. They might end up with Lonzo and somebody like LaMarcus Aldridge and a draft pick in place of John Wall...

I put an awful lot of thought into that Wall for Ball +.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

People get stupid when you mention Wall. Disagree with me all you want, but if you call me an idiot you better have a mirror to know what one looks like for sure.

It isn't stupid - it is emotional.

For (SWAG) 1/2 of the posters on this forum - John is their favorite player.

And for the longest time - we didn't make the playoffs - those same fans don't want to start a rebuild regardless of how short.

Talking about salary cap constraints against actually watching their favorite player play - you aren't going to change anyone's mind.

Add to that the fact that maybe most posters are Wizards fans but maybe not necessarily overall NBA fans. They only really know a lot about one team, the Wizards.

For that reason, it's difficult for them to assess other teams' players in comparison to ours. Sometimes that can lead them to have too high an opinion of one of our guys (Beal is the poster boy for that), but it can also make them underestimate one of the Wizards (Porter is the poster boy for that).

But they are right about one important thing -- being in the playoffs beats missing the playoffs. It's really a whole lot better! For that reason, they are quite a good corrective against extremists such as myself -- all I care about is building a team that can legitimately contend for a title. If we need to crash & burn first -- get to it!!

That's the way I am, & I ain't changing. But, that doesn't make it the only reasonable point of view, right?

Yes it does!!!!! Does Does Does Does!!!

Bradley Beal is definitely overvalued and Otto Porter is undervalued. Agreed.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I've been on the trade wall wagon for a few months now, i just think we need players who are around as talented as wall but it is more important to have players who value winning a tittle and being great as much as they value being rich, spending money, and banging strippers. Wall is a really special player, and if he ever took this seriously or if he ever did we would be a contender. But he has not and probably never will. So trade him NOW! before his contract becomes un movable.

I believe he takes it seriously. He is a guy that thinks fast and run fast that is kind of set in his ways. He needs a much better Coach than the one we have right now.

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

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I've been on the trade wall wagon for a few months now, i just think we need players who are around as talented as wall but it is more important to have players who value winning a tittle and being great as much as they value being rich, spending money, and banging strippers. Wall is a really special player, and if he ever took this seriously or if he ever did we would be a contender. But he has not and probably never will. So trade him NOW! before his contract becomes un movable.

John Wall has been a Wizard for like 8 years.

Suggesting a trade to the Lakers is something that can put him in the Hall of Fame some day.

It is also something that can project the Wizards with more wins in the future.

The salary cap is going to $108M next year and then $116M the year after.

John's contract won't be that bad going forward.

My issue with moving him is, they never got a truly innovative coach for him to play for here. They never picked off someone who ran a motion offense with intensive movement and cutting of all guys on the court. He'd have that in LA with Luke Walton.

If there's one thing Wall could be great at is being an off ball player because of his size and athleticism... and its good he's improved his shot.

Terrific post!

Thanks, FAH. This Wizards coach is not going to win a damn thing

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Dwight Howard has played for how many coaches? 15? He's known as a coach killer so for those who hate Scott Brooks, this might be a blessing in disguise.

Yessir.

Ernie grunfeld made a lot of bold moves but if they fail I don't know how he can have a 16th or 17th year as GM

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

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Salient quote from Kev's article: "...this isn’t a move I would have made"

And a guy like me would just say I think they f***** up

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[montestewart]

Dwight Howard has played for how many coaches? 15? He's known as a coach killer so for those who hate Scott Brooks, this might be a blessing in disguise.

Yessir.

Ernie grunfeld made a lot of bold moves but if they fail I don't know how he can have a 16th or 17th year as GM

You don't have to know how. Where there's a Terd, there's a way.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Sad but true

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Wow. What a colossal mistake by Charlotte!

[nate33]

So if Ball is cheaper that makes him better?Not to mention the bs that his father brings
If you'd seriously take Ball then I'd suggest you need to remove your head from your a**

I think people overstate the impact of his father. It was a big deal under the bright lights of LA when Ball was still coming off the glow of being a #2 overall pick. But it won't matter as much here because there just isn't as much obsession over the Wizards. Also, rather than being a highly promising #2 overall pick, Lonzo will be a guy with a modestly disappointing first season who got traded. The give a s--t factor will be greatly diminished. Mr. Ball may run to a media microphone or his twitter account to say outrageous things, but I don't think people would really care.

[BurtGummer]

So if Ball is cheaper that makes him better?Not to mention the bs that his father brings
If you'd seriously take Ball then I'd suggest you need to remove your head from your a**

I think people overstate the impact of his father. It was a big deal under the bright lights of LA when Ball was still coming off the glow of being a #2 overall pick. But it won't matter as much here because there just isn't as much obsession over the Wizards. Also, rather than being a highly promising #2 overall pick, Lonzo will be a guy with a modestly disappointing first season who got traded. The give a s--t factor will be greatly diminished. Mr. Ball may run to a media microphone or his twitter account to say outrageous things, but I don't think people would really care.

The thing is tho that this is what you think with the word think being key,we have no clue how it would turn out.If Howard decides to be a jerk in the locker room here too and the bs from Balls dad (if he does it) it would doom the franchise (although that's what alot of posters here want)
Wall has the chemistry with the other guys already plus he's a much better player

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I dont think its fair to blame Vesely for not being worthy of the 6th pick. He wasn't skilled enough to play in the NBA then, but that's on Ernie.

Dragan Bender, who Phoenix drafted, appears to be a huge bust even worse than Jan Vesely.