Welcome Zhaire Smith

LordCovington33 · Post #501 » by **LordCovington33** » Sun Jul 8, 2018 2:54 pm

LloydFree wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:
LloydFree wrote:Being an elite athlete is a star trait.

Nah, I don't think star traits can be measured or timed. They're distinguished on the court when the player has the ball in his hands.

You are correct. Elite ballhandling is a staple trait of star players. I also prefer players with elite ballhandling ability, that's why I would have selected Troy Brown over both Mikal Bridges and Zhaire Smith. Both are role players because they can't dribble. But once they decided they were going to spend the pick on a role player, I preferred the more exposive athlete. It gives him the better chance at being more than a role player. Being an elite athlete gives you a better opportunity to succeed against other elite athletes. Ball handling rarely becomes star quality, once you're in the league. But it can happen. Elite athleticism can't be developed.

Yet you like Ball. :dontknow:

Negrodamus · Post #502 » by **Negrodamus** » Sun Jul 8, 2018 3:01 pm

LordCovington33 wrote:
Sixerscan wrote:Zhaire is averaging more points per game than Bridges.

Hope this doesn't turn into one of those tiresome season-long Fultz-Tatum debate used to justify the pick. I wanted Bridges at the time, but no point dwelling on the past. I like what I see with him. Looks to be a nice addition to the team.

Have you met this fan base? If there's a comparison to be had, it will be dissected by Sixers fans.

Ericb5 · Post #503 » by **Ericb5** » Sun Jul 8, 2018 3:18 pm

Kobblehead wrote:
LloydFree wrote:Being an elite athlete is a star trait.

Nah, I don't think star traits can be measured or timed. They're distinguished on the court when the player has the ball in his hands.

I agree. Star traits, if I understand you correctly, are really skills. Athleticism isn’t a skill.

It’s an asset for sure, and it raises his ceiling, but he is totally dependent on his skills in terms of prospering as an nba player.

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76ciology · Post #504 » by **76ciology** » Sun Jul 8, 2018 5:06 pm

I rather have Zhaire than Bagley at this point

76ciology · Post #505 » by **76ciology** » Sun Jul 8, 2018 5:12 pm

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76ciology · Post #506 » by **76ciology** » Sun Jul 8, 2018 5:19 pm

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SixersRelated · Post #507 » by **SixersRelated** » Sun Jul 8, 2018 5:20 pm

Zhaire played very well last night. He showed he can handle well and he continued playing good D. His athleticism is a rare thing, he played a lot better than how he played vs. Boston in the 1st game. Hope that he can keep it like this and stay focused because he has an amazing potential.

PhilasFinest · Post #508 » by **PhilasFinest** » Mon Jul 9, 2018 2:18 am

76ciology wrote:

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Flashed quite a few things in this game.

Obviously he needs to continue to develop his game, his shot and ball handling.....but his defense seems like its legit, and his finishing is fantastic around the rim.

Do people remember that Ben Simmons is an extremely unselfish playmaker who excels at finding his teammates? If Smith can knock down open jump shots at a respectable clip and continues to cut/dive to the basket + run the floor in transition, Simmons is going to find him and Zhaire is showing he has no issues flying up and throwing it down.

76ciology · Post #509 » by **76ciology** » Mon Jul 9, 2018 2:28 am

PhilasFinest wrote:
76ciology wrote:

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Flashed quite a few things in this game.

Obviously he needs to continue to develop his game, his shot and ball handling.....but his defense seems like its legit, and his finishing is fantastic around the rim.

Do people remember that Ben Simmons is an extremely unselfish playmaker who excels at finding his teammates? If Smith can knock down open jump shots at a respectable clip and continues to cut/dive to the basket + run the floor in transition, Simmons is going to find him and Zhaire is showing he has no issues flying up and throwing it down.

How equipped he’ll be as a combo guard will determine his upside. He’s a role player at best as a wing but he can be a special player as a PG or combo guard.

ivysixer2000 · Post #510 » by **ivysixer2000** » Mon Jul 9, 2018 2:35 am

76ciology wrote:
PhilasFinest wrote:
76ciology wrote:

Read on Twitter

Flashed quite a few things in this game.

Obviously he needs to continue to develop his game, his shot and ball handling.....but his defense seems like its legit, and his finishing is fantastic around the rim.

Do people remember that Ben Simmons is an extremely unselfish playmaker who excels at finding his teammates? If Smith can knock down open jump shots at a respectable clip and continues to cut/dive to the basket + run the floor in transition, Simmons is going to find him and Zhaire is showing he has no issues flying up and throwing it down.

How equipped he’ll be as a combo guard will determine his upside. He’s a role player at best as a wing but he can be a special player as a PG or combo guard.

The kid is definitely not a PG having no handles and never having run a team in his life.

SG is definitely the best position for his future on this team.

76ciology · Post #511 » by **76ciology** » Mon Jul 9, 2018 2:37 am

ivysixer2000 wrote:
76ciology wrote:
PhilasFinest wrote:
Flashed quite a few things in this game.

Obviously he needs to continue to develop his game, his shot and ball handling.....but his defense seems like its legit, and his finishing is fantastic around the rim.

Do people remember that Ben Simmons is an extremely unselfish playmaker who excels at finding his teammates? If Smith can knock down open jump shots at a respectable clip and continues to cut/dive to the basket + run the floor in transition, Simmons is going to find him and Zhaire is showing he has no issues flying up and throwing it down.

How equipped he’ll be as a combo guard will determine his upside. He’s a role player at best as a wing but he can be a special player as a PG or combo guard.

The kid is definitely not a PG having no handles and never having run a team in his life.

SG is definitely the best position for his future on this team.

Doesn’t need Kyrie’s handles if you can shoot over anyone with explosive first step. Watch how RW and Kawhi do it.

You need elite shooting at SG. No buts and ifs.

ivysixer2000 · Post #512 » by **ivysixer2000** » Mon Jul 9, 2018 2:49 am

76ciology wrote:
ivysixer2000 wrote:
76ciology wrote:
How equipped he’ll be as a combo guard will determine his upside. He’s a role player at best as a wing but he can be a special player as a PG or combo guard.

The kid is definitely not a PG having no handles and never having run a team in his life.

SG is definitely the best position for his future on this team.

Doesn’t need Kyrie’s handles if you can shoot over anyone with explosive first step. Watch how RW and Kawhi do it.

You need elite shooting at SG. No buts and ifs.

Depends on how your team is built, not everyone has a PG who can't shoot like we do.

And he does have to have handles to be a PG, Zhaire has a long way to go to even get average handles.

I wouldn't exactly call Jimmy Butler, DeRozen, Donovan Mitchell, and such as sharp shooters at all, they are more shot creators.

BTW, Kawhi isn't a PG.

Simmons25 · Post #513 » by **Simmons25** » Mon Jul 9, 2018 5:55 am

Honestly Smith reminds me so much of Harrison Barnes it's not even funny. When Barnes came into this league he was an athlete and defender and not a particularly good shooter or shot creator.

What Barnes was though was explosive and athletic. Barnes had absolutely no handle... but he had that athletic ability to shake the defense with that first step and get to the rim... and could hit a wide open 3 if left open. He is almost identical to the similarities I see with Smith.

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76ciology · Post #514 » by **76ciology** » Mon Jul 9, 2018 6:58 am

Simmons25 wrote:Honestly Smith reminds me so much of Harrison Barnes it's not even funny. When Barnes came into this league he was an athlete and defender and not a particularly good shooter or shot creator.

What Barnes was though was explosive and athletic. Barnes had absolutely no handle... but he had that athletic ability to shake the defense with that first step and get to the rim... and could hit a wide open 3 if left open. He is almost identical to the similarities I see with Smith.

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Yup. ANother first step and shoot over defender on iso type player

Kolkmania · Post #515 » by **Kolkmania** » Mon Jul 9, 2018 7:13 am

Zhaire's value will dramatically increase when he's surrounded with better teammates and a more organized structured offense. He'll create extra offensive possessions, his cuts will be far more effective with Simmons on the court and the fact that he's not hesitant to shoot is the most important thing imo. That late miss against the Lakers, a shot off a screen, was executed quite well and far quicker than anything we've seen thus far.

Defensively he's been solid, great off the ball, but meh on the ball. Especially in P&R situations he gets beaten quite easily, but part of those breakdowns are the poor communication with the big. Bolden, Pelle, etc have been horrible thus far.

Kova · Post #516 » by **Kova** » Mon Jul 9, 2018 9:01 am

I'm quite happy with what I saw from him in these 2 games. I think he can blend in easily, and get 15-18 minutes per game this season.

He shows that he is very good at breaking down defense and finding an open man, cutting, going around screens, attacking the rim, even his shot looks ok, it just needs to fall. His defense is going to be elite.

Obviously needs to work on some things, but I think he is more ready to contribute than I initially thought.

Ericb5 · Post #517 » by **Ericb5** » Mon Jul 9, 2018 11:10 am

ivysixer2000 wrote:
76ciology wrote:
ivysixer2000 wrote:
The kid is definitely not a PG having no handles and never having run a team in his life.

SG is definitely the best position for his future on this team.

Doesn’t need Kyrie’s handles if you can shoot over anyone with explosive first step. Watch how RW and Kawhi do it.

You need elite shooting at SG. No buts and ifs.

Depends on how your team is built, not everyone has a PG who can't shoot like we do.

And he does have to have handles to be a PG, Zhaire has a long way to go to even get average handles.

I wouldn't exactly call Jimmy Butler, DeRozen, Donovan Mitchell, and such as sharp shooters at all, they are more shot creators.

BTW, Kawhi isn't a PG.

Barnes is half a foot taller though, which meant that he could easily play the 3.

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LordCovington33 · Post #518 » by **LordCovington33** » Mon Jul 9, 2018 11:44 am

76ciology wrote:

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AeroSmith

76ciology · Post #519 » by **76ciology** » Mon Jul 9, 2018 11:50 am

LordCovington33 wrote:
76ciology wrote:

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I forgot where I read it but someone called him as the only guy who scores on the way down.

Kobblehead · Post #520 » by **Kobblehead** » Mon Jul 9, 2018 1:50 pm

In term of Tar Heels, I think he has more in common with J.P. Tokoto than he does Harrison Barnes.