Howard signs a 2 year deal for the tax MLE with a player option per Woj

[Ruzious]

Gortat was becoming too much of a locker room problem, so they brought in Dwight Howard. Story checks out

Irony of ironies. Not to mention Gortat developed as Howard's backup. But Howard is certainly a more capable player. He is a bit of a dinosaur if you expect his scoring and scoring efficiency to translate into wins. And he's not the great defensive athlete that made him arguably the top interior defender in the NBA in his prime years before the back problems. It'll be interesting to see if he and Wall work well together - both on and off the court.

They really needed to give him a player option for next season? Obviously a team option would have been far more preferable. Who were they negotiating against...? Ernie, do you know how to negotiate?

[DANNYLANDOVER]

Gortat was becoming too much of a locker room problem, so they brought in Dwight Howard. Story checks out

Irony of ironies. Not to mention Gortat developed as Howard's backup. But Howard is certainly a more capable player. He is a bit of a dinosaur if you expect his scoring and scoring efficiency to translate into wins. And he's not the great defensive athlete that made him arguably the top interior defender in the NBA in his prime years before the back problems. It'll be interesting to see if he and Wall work well together - both on and off the court.

They really needed to give him a player option for next season? Obviously a team option would have been far more preferable. Who were they negotiating against...? Ernie, do you know how to negotiate?

I can't remember the last contract Ernie gave out that included a team option. Someone know this off hand?

[dckingsfan]

Were not there yet, but what does blowing it up even look like? Trading Otto, Beal and Wall and signing a bunch of scrubs?

Blowing it up would be a trade with Wall/Mahimni and then building around Beal/Porter.

I’m nit against it, but unless we are getting adequate return I’d like to see how this team turns out. Wall shot 37% from 3 last year. I’d love to see what this team could do with a great coach.

The owner, GM and coach aren't changing in the near-term. And shooting better from 3 is great but his TS% dropped to .515 - so there is that. Do you think he has value as a supermax?

[Kanyewest]

Gortat was becoming too much of a locker room problem, so they brought in Dwight Howard. Story checks out

Irony of ironies. Not to mention Gortat developed as Howard's backup. But Howard is certainly a more capable player. He is a bit of a dinosaur if you expect his scoring and scoring efficiency to translate into wins. And he's not the great defensive athlete that made him arguably the top interior defender in the NBA in his prime years before the back problems. It'll be interesting to see if he and Wall work well together - both on and off the court.

They really needed to give him a player option for next season? Obviously a team option would have been far more preferable. Who were they negotiating against...? Ernie, do you know how to negotiate?

I can't remember the last contract Ernie gave out that included a team option. Someone know this off hand?

Kelly Oubre technically because he was on a rookie contract.

[WizarDynasty]

I strongly dislike Howard's left arm coordination. It's like he has tree trunk for a left arm he does a layup and he can barely move his arm above his head. No fluidness after a decade and millions dollars. Zero improvement offensively with his left hand.

[pcbothwel]

I strongly dislike Howard's left arm coordination. It's like he has tree trunk for a left arm he does a layup and he can barely move his arm above his head. No fluidness after a decade and millions dollars. Zero improvement offensively with his left hand.

Ehh, true but i dont care.

The worst thing DH12 did was listen to the old heads like Shaq and Hakeem about getting better post moves. It doesnt work in the modern NBA and Dwight doesn't have the aptitude or dexterity to pull it off.

It only resulted in his touches/FGA increasing far more than his skill set did.
Play defense, rebound, make easy buckets...THATS IT

[Dark Faze]

Money talks. He's worked his way down to a tax MLE. Next up : vet min or getting black balled out of the league. He can have some post touches. It's not a big deal. But he is going to have to screen. That's not negotiable. And obviously no locker room nonsense.

[DANNYLANDOVER]

Irony of ironies. Not to mention Gortat developed as Howard's backup. But Howard is certainly a more capable player. He is a bit of a dinosaur if you expect his scoring and scoring efficiency to translate into wins. And he's not the great defensive athlete that made him arguably the top interior defender in the NBA in his prime years before the back problems. It'll be interesting to see if he and Wall work well together - both on and off the court.

They really needed to give him a player option for next season? Obviously a team option would have been far more preferable. Who were they negotiating against...? Ernie, do you know how to negotiate?

I can't remember the last contract Ernie gave out that included a team option. Someone know this off hand?

Kelly Oubre technically because he was on a rookie contract.

Haha I meant an UFA. There was no negotiation involved in that. Pretty sure Oubre would gave pulled off a PO, if he was able to.

[WizarDynasty]

I strongly dislike Howard's left arm coordination. It's like he has tree trunk for a left arm he does a layup and he can barely move his arm above his head. No fluidness after a decade and millions dollars. Zero improvement offensively with his left hand.

Ehh, true but i dont care.

The worst thing DH12 did was listen to the old heads like Shaq and Hakeem about getting better post moves. It doesnt work in the modern NBA and Dwight doesn't have the aptitude or dexterity to pull it off.

It only resulted in his touches/FGA increasing far more than his skill set did.
Play defense, rebound, make easy buckets...THATS IT

If there was one challenge I would have for d Howard that would be for him to hit a one handed left hook shot falling backwards. If he mastered that move, I would make d Howard in wizard jersey as my avatar and I have never had consistent avatar in my 17 years on this board. I am not talking about Kareem one handed sky hook from free throw line, just a simple left hand fall away hook shot from the middle of they key or from left baseline and the challenges is that he only uses one hand. He can't ever use his right hand to gather the ball or even use his right to help him aim. If d Howard call palm the ball .. simple raise the ball over your head and flick your wrist while falling away from the basket. Maybe even practice with a hand in your face.
His patent move should be driving to his left and falling away from the basket shooting a one hand left hook shot. Everyone knows he is going to his right so they always over play him to that side and he usually tries to force it. Never did he develop arm dexterity to shoot a runner in the lane after gathering with is left hand only and never did he practice coordination of extending the ball over is head and releasing the ball over his should while fading away. He has explosive first step and power but never do i see him shooting one handed above his head with his left hand. That's the main reason he isn't a hall of famer.

[prime1time]

Blowing it up would be a trade with Wall/Mahimni and then building around Beal/Porter.

I’m nit against it, but unless we are getting adequate return I’d like to see how this team turns out. Wall shot 37% from 3 last year. I’d love to see what this team could do with a great coach.

The owner, GM and coach aren't changing in the near-term. And shooting better from 3 is great but his TS% dropped to .515 - so there is that. Do you think he has value as a supermax?

I’m on record for trading him. But he’s not going anywhere. The hope has to be that he puts it all together. His ft percentage dropped uncharacteristically last year. So there’s reason to believe that he can be better. Is her worth super max? No. But that’s a conversation for another day. I’m talking about how good the Wiz can be next year.

[Illmatic12]

Gortat was becoming too much of a locker room problem, so they brought in Dwight Howard. Story checks out

Irony of ironies. Not to mention Gortat developed as Howard's backup. But Howard is certainly a more capable player. He is a bit of a dinosaur if you expect his scoring and scoring efficiency to translate into wins. And he's not the great defensive athlete that made him arguably the top interior defender in the NBA in his prime years before the back problems. It'll be interesting to see if he and Wall work well together - both on and off the court.

They really needed to give him a player option for next season? Obviously a team option would have been far more preferable. Who were they negotiating against...? Ernie, do you know how to negotiate?

I can't remember the last contract Ernie gave out that included a team option. Someone know this off hand?

Not many players have team options. To be honest, it’s just not a thing that’s done much anymore in the NBA.. players and their agents don’t like them for obvious reasons. It’s basic human nature , a player may not approach the season with the same attitude if they know the team holds their future in the balance.

Usually the players who sign deals with team options are 2nd round rookies, or end of bench types barely sticking in the league. You’re never gonna get a player like Dwight Howard to sign a team option. His agent wouldn’t allow that to happen (and agents have more sway than you’d think)

[Kanyewest]

I can't remember the last contract Ernie gave out that included a team option. Someone know this off hand?

Kelly Oubre technically because he was on a rookie contract.

Haha I meant an UFA. There was no negotiation involved in that. Pretty sure Oubre would gave pulled off a PO, if he was able to.

It just came to me, does Sheldon Mac count as an undrafted free agent? I believe the Wizards gave him a team option and picked it up even though he tore his Achilles.

[nate33]

Kelly Oubre technically because he was on a rookie contract.

Haha I meant an UFA. There was no negotiation involved in that. Pretty sure Oubre would gave pulled off a PO, if he was able to.

It just came to me, does Sheldon Mac count as an undrafted free agent? I believe the Wizards gave him a team option and picked it up even though he tore his Achilles.

No, the Wizards traded Mac (and his rights) to Atlanta for cap relief.

[Kanyewest]

Haha I meant an UFA. There was no negotiation involved in that. Pretty sure Oubre would gave pulled off a PO, if he was able to.

It just came to me, does Sheldon Mac count as an undrafted free agent? I believe the Wizards gave him a team option and picked it up even though he tore his Achilles.

No, the Wizards traded Mac (and his rights) to Atlanta for cap relief.

They picked his option for the 2017-18 season though IIRC.

[nate33]

It just came to me, does Sheldon Mac count as an undrafted free agent? I believe the Wizards gave him a team option and picked it up even though he tore his Achilles.

No, the Wizards traded Mac (and his rights) to Atlanta for cap relief.

They picked his option for the 2017-18 season though IIRC.

We traded him during the 2017-18 season after picking up his option, I believe.

He is an unrestricted free agent right now. He does not show up on Atlanta's cap or as one of their cap holds.

[80sballboy]

No, the Wizards traded Mac (and his rights) to Atlanta for cap relief.

They picked his option for the 2017-18 season though IIRC.

We traded him during the 2017-18 season after picking up his option, I believe.

He is an unrestricted free agent right now. He does not show up on Atlanta's cap or as one of their cap holds.

Atlanta cut him right after the trade.

[pcbothwel]

They picked his option for the 2017-18 season though IIRC.

We traded him during the 2017-18 season after picking up his option, I believe.

He is an unrestricted free agent right now. He does not show up on Atlanta's cap or as one of their cap holds.

Atlanta cut him right after the trade.

Correct, I think he was waived and then actually came back to DC for rehab. Wouldn't be surprised if we gave him a look during the season at some point for a 10 day.

[80sballboy]

We traded him during the 2017-18 season after picking up his option, I believe.

He is an unrestricted free agent right now. He does not show up on Atlanta's cap or as one of their cap holds.

Atlanta cut him right after the trade.

Correct, I think he was waived and then actually came back to DC for rehab. Wouldn't be surprised if we gave him a look during the season at some point for a 10 day.

Not sure what this has to do with the Dwight Howard thread, but sure, I think coming off a torn Achilles, he needs to prove himself. Maybe he can join the DC Go-Go to do just that.

[payitforward]

Atlanta cut him right after the trade.

Correct, I think he was waived and then actually came back to DC for rehab. Wouldn't be surprised if we gave him a look during the season at some point for a 10 day.

Not sure what this has to do with the Dwight Howard thread, but sure, I think coming off a torn Achilles, he needs to prove himself. Maybe he can join the DC Go-Go to do just that.

Mac is 25. He never really established himself in the league. It would be a longshot for him to be on an NBA roster again -- though it could happen & I hope it does.

For that reason, I was impressed that we picked up his option despite his injury rather than just letting him go. I.e. it was a humane thing to do & made me think well of Ernie/Ted.

[Kanyewest]

No, the Wizards traded Mac (and his rights) to Atlanta for cap relief.

They picked his option for the 2017-18 season though IIRC.

We traded him during the 2017-18 season after picking up his option, I believe.

He is an unrestricted free agent right now. He does not show up on Atlanta's cap or as one of their cap holds.

Yup. The original question was when was the last time Ernie gave someone a team option on their contract.