Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money"

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He said he was there to meet with his agent. Then the story drops from A. Sherrod. This is the agent playing chess with Ainge

Props for calling it right off the bat

[Big Joke Line]

You're no Humblebum.

Is that good or bad? Like I'm your huckleberry? I felt old for a minute but then I looked it up on urban dictionary and didnt see it there then i felt really old.

Just an old poster here who though he would have been pro if he wanted to be because he got mad props at the Y. Called himself a a basketball guru. Just a joke for the regulars, haha.

Word. I'm not trying to prop myself up like that. I played at a small school but very successfully and kicked ass in some top tier adult leagues a lifetime ago. I'm just saying when people assume a horrible shooter like Smart can beat me in a shooting contest, let's just say it's not a given. I was a bruiser by trade so he might beat me. Not a given.

[Darth Celtic]

You're no Humblebum.

Is that good or bad? Like I'm your huckleberry? I felt old for a minute but then I looked it up on urban dictionary and didnt see it there then i felt really old.

Just an old poster here who though he would have been pro if he wanted to be because he got mad props at the Y. Called himself a a basketball guru. Just a joke for the regulars, haha.

"I'm sorry, I ment trash panda"

"Is that worse?"

"it's way worse"

[ConstableGeneva]

How many teams have that kind of money/cap space and the need for him at that price? And if he's hoping for a S&T, there's no incentive for Ainge to do that unless he's getting a young prospect and unprotected pick or a star back (no sane team will do that deal anyway).

Talk to the Spurs and Uncle Dennis, Marcus!

Well actually. If you looked at our cap and made the conclusion that we can't pay Rozier and Smart at the same time in the future and we can get a future first, that's the correct long term move.

Assume, like Steven's playoff lineups suggest Ainge also knows Rozier is by far the better player to keep long term.

This would allow us to get an asset for Smart instead of one year QO and next off season off to the Nets/ATL or some terrible team that will overpay and give him 8mil a year for 5 years.

I just don't see any team that would care enough about Smart to agree to a S&T for anything more than a second rounder... and since we still have way too many picks we might as well use the boost for this season over an extra second rounder.

Read my "unless" clause. I think we're saying the same thing.

Kyrie was out. Playoff lineups wouldn't have been the same if he were healthy. Watch as Rozier's minutes go back to where it was prior to Kyrie's injury this season. Case can be made to keep Rozier as insurance if Kyrie leaves but I hope to God he improves as someone who can actually run/initiate an offense.

Better basis is number of clutch minutes Smart vs Rozier have played the past 3 seasons. Stevens knows who he can trust when it matters the most and what value each of his players add to winning.

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Just guessing, but it appears the Celtics are letting Smart's agent exhaust the market before seriously negotiating themselves. If the agent finds there are no other possibilities, the Celtics will be in a stronger position.

[Baller1234a]

Nets gonna offer a 4/50, I bet. Im guessing we match.

Nets? They have cap space after Dwight?

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Can I come off the bench and provide energy and D?

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If by energy and D you mean sarcasm and a bunch of and1s for people who already took the effort to write what I'd say before I had the chance to.

Trash list.

Facts.

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This whole thing over Rozier playing more minutes in the playoffs is a weak ass argument. They had no Kyrie, they needed scoring, everyone on earth acknowledges that Rozier is a better scorer than Smart, so naturally Rozier was needed more in these past playoffs. If Kyrie had been playing, you must be tripping on some strong ass **** if you think Rozier would have played more than Smart.

Well, to be fair, one of Smart antagonists for the spot got injured 5 minutes into the season and Brad likes to play Rozier and Irving together at times. Smart played Morris minutes in the PO, with Irving and Hayward back I think Roz, Smart and Morris will have 60/70minutes to share and I suspect TRoz will have the most minutes out of the trio.

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How many teams have that kind of money/cap space and the need for him at that price? And if he's hoping for a S&T, there's no incentive for Ainge to do that unless he's getting a young prospect and unprotected pick or a star back (no sane team will do that deal anyway).

Talk to the Spurs and Uncle Dennis, Marcus!

Well actually. If you looked at our cap and made the conclusion that we can't pay Rozier and Smart at the same time in the future and we can get a future first, that's the correct long term move.

Assume, like Steven's playoff lineups suggest Ainge also knows Rozier is by far the better player to keep long term.

This would allow us to get an asset for Smart instead of one year QO and next off season off to the Nets/ATL or some terrible team that will overpay and give him 8mil a year for 5 years.

I just don't see any team that would care enough about Smart to agree to a S&T for anything more than a second rounder... and since we still have way too many picks we might as well use the boost for this season over an extra second rounder.

Read my "unless" clause. I think we're saying the same thing.

Kyrie was out. Playoff lineups wouldn't have been the same if he were healthy. Watch as Rozier's minutes go back to where it was prior to Kyrie's injury this season. Case can be made to keep Rozier as insurance if Kyrie leaves but I hope to God he improves as someone who can actually run/initiate an offense.

Better basis is number of clutch minutes Smart vs Rozier have played the past 3 seasons. Stevens knows who he can trust when it matters the most and what value each of his players add to winning.

I guess but that ignores that Smart has made almost no improvement for the past 3 seasons and Rozier wasn't clearly better till this past season.


That said, yeah I guess you can always make a case that you can have too much offense. GS is dominating with 2 MVP offensive players in Curry and Durant (or rather at least Curry is offensive, Durant is dominate on both ends). While Klay is a HOF shooter, like Ray Allen plus defense. And Green is a bad 3 point shooting playmaking PF. Iggy when in was more of like a playmking version of Tony Allen, their Center spot has always been ****.

So if Curry, Durant, Klay is more than enough offense, at what point do you need an Iggy off your bench more than say a Lou Williams. Pending health and people resigning Irving, Hayward, Tatum is a good start offensively. Horford is at least as good as Green on offense when you factor in his shooting. Do you need Rozier to make up the difference in scoring? Or will Jaylen Brown take that next step and already make up the offensive difference.

Tough decision, I hope it just plays out like it was always supposed to and Smart takes the 1 year QO. I wasn't impressed with the any new tools Brown added in his bag, but he very well this off season could come back with a new handle or mid range shot. At that point if he can carry some of the offensive burden in ISO situations and create for others it might be best to surround the team with priority on better versions of Smarts instead of guys that can light it up like Rozier.

Again hopefully Smart signs the QO for 1 year so Ainge gets another season to evaluate Brown and Tatum and project what the team needs more going forward. I still think though on a team of stars you'll need 3 and D players, not meh playmaking and D players that will no longer have the ball in their hands to playmake.

[truth18]

Can I come off the bench and provide energy and D?

Spoiler:

If by energy and D you mean sarcasm and a bunch of and1s for people who already took the effort to write what I'd say before I had the chance to.

Trash list.

Facts.

Lol, we agree on almost everything other than Smart and Golden State. Idk what happened to you brother, but no there are no ill feelings here.

[ConstableGeneva]

Ainge is basically doing to Smart what he did to Evan Turner a couple of years back. "Told him" we want you back but go try out the market and see what other teams will offer. If we can match, we match. But Smart is learning that it's no longer 2016. No cap spike. Not too many teams have cap space. And those who do are wise enough not to splurge aimlessly.

[CeltsfaninDC]

IT was a total utter Gimp last year and was very likely a more efficient scorer than Smart was.

and still couldn’t guard anyone. The offensive stats are actually fairly close after I went back to look at them - https://herosports.com/nba/player-comparison/isaiah-thomas-vs-marcus-smart

C’mon, I’m not even implying that he is better offensively. What I am saying is that Smart is a better overall player today than IT. Thats not even controversial. All things being equal, every team would take Smart (today) over IT (today). If IT isn’t a dynamic scorer then he brings next to nothing to a team. He can’t guard anyone so he’s a huge liability on the other end of the floor.

That's the thing though you're assuming IT is done. If he's not he's the better player. If he doesn't have burst he's done. Seems there's no middle ground here.

Heres the problem: You want to assume he might come back physically and be the player he was. Thats not happening. He showed last year that he probably lost half a step and his mobility is lower all of which affects his ability to score which is his only skill. If he comes back physically to where he was (and 3 years later/older) then he is better than Smart. But the odds of that happening are low, so, yes he’s done backing up Brinks trucks and getting max contracts because he’s just not going to be that good.

[Big Joke Line]

Nets gonna offer a 4/50, I bet. Im guessing we match.

Ugh I'm out on that too. 4 years?

[Big Joke Line]

How many teams have that kind of money/cap space and the need for him at that price? And if he's hoping for a S&T, there's no incentive for Ainge to do that unless he's getting a young prospect and unprotected pick or a star back (no sane team will do that deal anyway).

Talk to the Spurs and Uncle Dennis, Marcus!

Well actually. If you looked at our cap and made the conclusion that we can't pay Rozier and Smart at the same time in the future and we can get a future first, that's the correct long term move.

Assume, like Steven's playoff lineups suggest Ainge also knows Rozier is by far the better player to keep long term.

This would allow us to get an asset for Smart instead of one year QO and next off season off to the Nets/ATL or some terrible team that will overpay and give him 8mil a year for 5 years.

I just don't see any team that would care enough about Smart to agree to a S&T for anything more than a second rounder... and since we still have way too many picks we might as well use the boost for this season over an extra second rounder.

Read my "unless" clause. I think we're saying the same thing.

Kyrie was out. Playoff lineups wouldn't have been the same if he were healthy. Watch as Rozier's minutes go back to where it was prior to Kyrie's injury this season. Case can be made to keep Rozier as insurance if Kyrie leaves but I hope to God he improves as someone who can actually run/initiate an offense.

Better basis is number of clutch minutes Smart vs Rozier have played the past 3 seasons. Stevens knows who he can trust when it matters the most and what value each of his players add to winning.

I'd like to see Rozier continue to improve and take some of Kyrie's minutes to cut down on wear and tear and fatigue. I don't think anyone believes Smart and Rozier are interchangable.

[celticfan42487]

Trash list.

Facts.

Lol, we agree on almost everything other than Smart and Golden State. Idk what happened to you brother, but no there are no ill feelings here.

I think the worst part of this thread, is even Smart "haters" think it just means he'll sign for the QO because no one out there wants him this year.

Which means we think he'll be an unrestricted free agent next year and we'll have to do this all over again.

But this time he'll be in a market with a lot of teams having money, enough that should give him near 10 million or so but could give him the years he's looking for too... so this argument will rage on all season with people trying to peg just who is more important with our 3 guards of Irving, Rozier, Smart all coming up on contracts and what can we afford (which who knows how little lux tax the owners will allow or not).

And then furthermore even if we can't afford both, at some point the offer is fair enough that we can accept it and trade one of them in the season. So at what point is the salary cost a fair amount for them and it's better for us to resign them with it and then trade them in season for a future first.

Next off season should suck for this board haha. I haven't even added that it could all change based on who we draft with the Kings pick. As we have to expect that player will pan out, will they be someone that can handle the ball, defend, and/or light it up offensively. The top guys at the moment are all guard/forwards which would put pressure on Smart and Rozier because ideally neither of them are in the playmaking role as role players. But if they're next to a different player that is a good playmaker then we'll be stock full of playmakers on this team and it'll come down to just deciding which player is better for your team with the ball out of his and on offense combined with their defense.

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Facts.

Lol, we agree on almost everything other than Smart and Golden State. Idk what happened to you brother, but no there are no ill feelings here.

I think the worst part of this thread, is even Smart "haters" think it just means he'll sign for the QO because no one out there wants him this year.

Which means we think he'll be an unrestricted free agent next year and we'll have to do this all over again.

But this time he'll be in a market with a lot of teams having money, enough that should give him near 10 million or so but could give him the years he's looking for too... so this argument will rage on all season with people trying to peg just who is more important with our 3 guards of Irving, Rozier, Smart all coming up on contracts and what can we afford (which who knows how little lux tax the owners will allow or not).

And then furthermore even if we can't afford both, at some point the offer is fair enough that we can accept it and trade one of them in the season. So at what point is the salary cost a fair amount for them and it's better for us to resign them with it and then trade them in season for a future first.

Next off season should suck for this board haha. I haven't even added that it could all change based on who we draft with the Kings pick. As we have to expect that player will pan out, will they be someone that can handle the ball, defend, and/or light it up offensively. The top guys at the moment are all guard/forwards which would put pressure on Smart and Rozier because ideally neither of them are in the playmaking role as role players. But if they're next to a different player that is a good playmaker then we'll be stock full of playmakers on this team and it'll come down to just deciding which player is better for your team with the ball out of his and on offense combined with their defense.

This is something I think almost everyone can agree on.

[Big Joke Line]

Well actually. If you looked at our cap and made the conclusion that we can't pay Rozier and Smart at the same time in the future and we can get a future first, that's the correct long term move.

Assume, like Steven's playoff lineups suggest Ainge also knows Rozier is by far the better player to keep long term.

This would allow us to get an asset for Smart instead of one year QO and next off season off to the Nets/ATL or some terrible team that will overpay and give him 8mil a year for 5 years.

I just don't see any team that would care enough about Smart to agree to a S&T for anything more than a second rounder... and since we still have way too many picks we might as well use the boost for this season over an extra second rounder.

Read my "unless" clause. I think we're saying the same thing.

Kyrie was out. Playoff lineups wouldn't have been the same if he were healthy. Watch as Rozier's minutes go back to where it was prior to Kyrie's injury this season. Case can be made to keep Rozier as insurance if Kyrie leaves but I hope to God he improves as someone who can actually run/initiate an offense.

Better basis is number of clutch minutes Smart vs Rozier have played the past 3 seasons. Stevens knows who he can trust when it matters the most and what value each of his players add to winning.

I guess but that ignores that Smart has made almost no improvement for the past 3 seasons and Rozier wasn't clearly better till this past season.


That said, yeah I guess you can always make a case that you can have too much offense. GS is dominating with 2 MVP offensive players in Curry and Durant (or rather at least Curry is offensive, Durant is dominate on both ends). While Klay is a HOF shooter, like Ray Allen plus defense. And Green is a bad 3 point shooting playmaking PF. Iggy when in was more of like a playmking version of Tony Allen, their Center spot has always been ****.

So if Curry, Durant, Klay is more than enough offense, at what point do you need an Iggy off your bench more than say a Lou Williams. Pending health and people resigning Irving, Hayward, Tatum is a good start offensively. Horford is at least as good as Green on offense when you factor in his shooting. Do you need Rozier to make up the difference in scoring? Or will Jaylen Brown take that next step and already make up the offensive difference.

Tough decision, I hope it just plays out like it was always supposed to and Smart takes the 1 year QO. I wasn't impressed with the any new tools Brown added in his bag, but he very well this off season could come back with a new handle or mid range shot. At that point if he can carry some of the offensive burden in ISO situations and create for others it might be best to surround the team with priority on better versions of Smarts instead of guys that can light it up like Rozier.

Again hopefully Smart signs the QO for 1 year so Ainge gets another season to evaluate Brown and Tatum and project what the team needs more going forward. I still think though on a team of stars you'll need 3 and D players, not meh playmaking and D players that will no longer have the ball in their hands to playmake.

Why would you concede that Smart was clearly better this past year? 5:1 t/o ratio seems pretty fantastic. +/- is useful to a point in context I thought Terry was the better player after Kyrie went down. Obviously had his ups and downs shooting but Smart only had downs. SMH.

[Big Joke Line]

Lol, we agree on almost everything other than Smart and Golden State. Idk what happened to you brother, but no there are no ill feelings here.

I think the worst part of this thread, is even Smart "haters" think it just means he'll sign for the QO because no one out there wants him this year.

Which means we think he'll be an unrestricted free agent next year and we'll have to do this all over again.

But this time he'll be in a market with a lot of teams having money, enough that should give him near 10 million or so but could give him the years he's looking for too... so this argument will rage on all season with people trying to peg just who is more important with our 3 guards of Irving, Rozier, Smart all coming up on contracts and what can we afford (which who knows how little lux tax the owners will allow or not).

And then furthermore even if we can't afford both, at some point the offer is fair enough that we can accept it and trade one of them in the season. So at what point is the salary cost a fair amount for them and it's better for us to resign them with it and then trade them in season for a future first.

Next off season should suck for this board haha. I haven't even added that it could all change based on who we draft with the Kings pick. As we have to expect that player will pan out, will they be someone that can handle the ball, defend, and/or light it up offensively. The top guys at the moment are all guard/forwards which would put pressure on Smart and Rozier because ideally neither of them are in the playmaking role as role players. But if they're next to a different player that is a good playmaker then we'll be stock full of playmakers on this team and it'll come down to just deciding which player is better for your team with the ball out of his and on offense combined with their defense.

This is something I think almost everyone can agree on.

In theory yes. So much can and will change though.