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Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money"

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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#1441 » by Big Joke Line » Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:11 pm

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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#1442 » by SmartWentCrazy » Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:20 pm

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SmartWentCrazy wrote:Nets gonna offer a 4/50, I bet. Im guessing we match.

Nets? They have cap space after Dwight?


After his buyout they have 8-11M. With raises, 11M to start will get you near 4/50.
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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#1443 » by ConstableGeneva » Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:22 pm

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Well actually. If you looked at our cap and made the conclusion that we can't pay Rozier and Smart at the same time in the future and we can get a future first, that's the correct long term move.

Assume, like Steven's playoff lineups suggest Ainge also knows Rozier is by far the better player to keep long term.

This would allow us to get an asset for Smart instead of one year QO and next off season off to the Nets/ATL or some terrible team that will overpay and give him 8mil a year for 5 years.

I just don't see any team that would care enough about Smart to agree to a S&T for anything more than a second rounder... and since we still have way too many picks we might as well use the boost for this season over an extra second rounder.

Read my "unless" clause. I think we're saying the same thing.

Kyrie was out. Playoff lineups wouldn't have been the same if he were healthy. Watch as Rozier's minutes go back to where it was prior to Kyrie's injury this season. Case can be made to keep Rozier as insurance if Kyrie leaves but I hope to God he improves as someone who can actually run/initiate an offense.

Better basis is number of clutch minutes Smart vs Rozier have played the past 3 seasons. Stevens knows who he can trust when it matters the most and what value each of his players add to winning.


I guess but that ignores that Smart has made almost no improvement for the past 3 seasons and Rozier wasn't clearly better till this past season.


That said, yeah I guess you can always make a case that you can have too much offense. GS is dominating with 2 MVP offensive players in Curry and Durant (or rather at least Curry is offensive, Durant is dominate on both ends). While Klay is a HOF shooter, like Ray Allen plus defense. And Green is a bad 3 point shooting playmaking PF. Iggy when in was more of like a playmking version of Tony Allen, their Center spot has always been ****.

So if Curry, Durant, Klay is more than enough offense, at what point do you need an Iggy off your bench more than say a Lou Williams. Pending health and people resigning Irving, Hayward, Tatum is a good start offensively. Horford is at least as good as Green on offense when you factor in his shooting. Do you need Rozier to make up the difference in scoring? Or will Jaylen Brown take that next step and already make up the offensive difference.

Tough decision, I hope it just plays out like it was always supposed to and Smart takes the 1 year QO. I wasn't impressed with the any new tools Brown added in his bag, but he very well this off season could come back with a new handle or mid range shot. At that point if he can carry some of the offensive burden in ISO situations and create for others it might be best to surround the team with priority on better versions of Smarts instead of guys that can light it up like Rozier.

Again hopefully Smart signs the QO for 1 year so Ainge gets another season to evaluate Brown and Tatum and project what the team needs more going forward. I still think though on a team of stars you'll need 3 and D players, not meh playmaking and D players that will no longer have the ball in their hands to playmake.

Smart has been consistently good to great at defense (50% of the game) since he entered the league. So not much improvement can be made there, apart from maybe the mental aspect of the game, learning opposing teams' plays, and continuously studying opponents. He also doesn't hurt the team offense like some make it out to be. If that were the case, our offense would be better if he were off the floor than on. With all of Rozier's improvements, what area has he been elite at? Maybe defensive rebounding for his position?

The go-to clutch lineups will be interesting to monitor. The obvious answer would be same as the starting lineup. But I'm not entirely sure. Brad will have more options than before.

I still maintain that you beat Golden State with elite defense + just enough offense. (See their series with Houston who played superb D on the Dubs). Can't outgun them 4 times out of 7. And I think we kinda have the formula in slowing their two guards down esp when refs allow all the holding, bumping, and tricks that bother the Splash Brothers. KD is a different matter and someone we have yet to figure out.

I really don't want Smart playing on the QO and trying to prove himself. I want him secure and sticking to doing the things he's already good/great at. Him on the QO also likely means we lose him for nothing next summer.
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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#1444 » by SmartWentCrazy » Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:23 pm

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SmartWentCrazy wrote:Nets gonna offer a 4/50, I bet. Im guessing we match.

Ugh I'm out on that too. 4 years?


Cap is scheduled to go up ~15% in two years. At that discount, a 12M deal is closer to a 10M deal in today’s cap.
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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#1445 » by GregB » Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:23 pm

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SmartWentCrazy wrote:Nets gonna offer a 4/50, I bet. Im guessing we match.

Nets? They have cap space after Dwight?


After his buyout they have 8-11M. With raises, 11M to start will get you near 4/50.


I was reading a Nets article. They have between 10.6-11.6 million in cap space. I am sure Smitty has the exact numbers. But I don’t see an offer that scares us away. That seems around what we offered last year.
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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#1446 » by SmartWentCrazy » Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:25 pm

If/when we resign Smart, Im expecting us to trade Morris to get under the tax. Smart will be a wing for us next year, I bet.
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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#1447 » by Feed Your Head » Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:29 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:If/when we resign Smart, Im expecting us to trade Morris to get under the tax. Smart will be a wing for us next year, I bet.


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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#1448 » by grindtime22 » Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:30 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
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SmartWentCrazy wrote:Nets gonna offer a 4/50, I bet. Im guessing we match.

Ugh I'm out on that too. 4 years?


Cap is scheduled to go up ~15% in two years. At that discount, a 12M deal is closer to a 10M deal in today’s cap.


1 and 2 years is great for a veteran about to decline.

The more years the better for a 24 year old in a tough market.
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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#1449 » by Gant » Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:30 pm

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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#1450 » by GregB » Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:31 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:If/when we resign Smart, Im expecting us to trade Morris to get under the tax. Smart will be a wing for us next year, I bet.


I am with you. But part of me doesn’t want to give up a potentially valuable offensive weapon either. I am torn. Morris is one of the ultimate love/hate player.

We could also potentially dump Yabu and Nader which would help keep us under the tax.
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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#1451 » by brackdan70 » Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:31 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:If/when we resign Smart, Im expecting us to trade Morris to get under the tax. Smart will be a wing for us next year, I bet.

Agreed.
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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#1452 » by Feed Your Head » Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:32 pm

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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#1453 » by brackdan70 » Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:32 pm

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Interesting... that was last year though...
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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#1454 » by ConstableGeneva » Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:34 pm

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Question now is... is that original offer still there for him?
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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#1456 » by jmr07019 » Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:38 pm

So Smart would maybe, begrudgingly sign a deal the Celtics arent offering. This has Smart taking tbe QO written all over it.
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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#1457 » by KevinGamble34 » Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:39 pm

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Great news. If Sacramento are out we should see Smart back in green.
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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#1458 » by Edug27 » Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:39 pm

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Trash list.


Facts.


Lol, we agree on almost everything other than Smart and Golden State. Idk what happened to you brother, but no there are no ill feelings here.


Lol. I have a man crush on Steph Curry. And I enjoyed watching them dominate Lebron. Hence my bandwagon fandom.

Smart is tough man. I respect the impact he brings. I recognize it. I just hate that he cant shoot AND he continues to attempt them as if he can. It’s mind numbing.
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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#1459 » by SichtingLives » Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:40 pm

Danny's got a whole stable of hoes just they never know it til they come asking for a contract. This is breaking a ho 101 right here. Masterful pimp ****.
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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#1460 » by ConstableGeneva » Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:40 pm

jmr07019 wrote:So Smart would maybe, begrudgingly sign a deal the Celtics arent offering. This has Smart taking tbe QO written all over it.

Next Nerlens Noel. Either Smart was super stubborn or his agent is incredibly inept or both.
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