Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money"

[Rocketsbaby]

I just couldnt help but notice the similarities between Celtics fans in the SMart thread and Rockets fans in the Capela threads..

Why cant anyone else understand that we made an offer and at this point we have zero reason to outbid ourselves? Like why is this so hard for other people to understand?

[Rocketsbaby]

His Defense speaks for itself but he shoots the ball all day like he’s The star of a team n he misses everything all the time. Every layup he ever made hit the rim first. Every layup he ever missed hit the rim too. Never swished a layup ever in his life.

Was that a dig at us signing Michael Carter Williams?

[Taget]

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Sign dude to a low money deal so we can move him next summer for AD. Enough of this nonsense.

That is why you ask for every penny you can possibly get when signing an extension. If you like a team and want to stay on that team for a long time by asking for more money you make yourself harder to trade.

In Marcus' case I'd take the extension. One major injury and his value tanks. Don't be like Nerlen Noel. Take the money and run.

[sam_I_am]

Well in the finals I expect Brown and Kyrie to be up near 40 minutes a night leaving Smarts role largely trivial. He’s of course useful but not worth breaking the bank for, nor the end of the world if he walks. He’s a 7th man on a title squad at best

Smart should be considered a 6th man... Smart is better than many starter on championship teams but Warriors have raised the bar. Smart played major minutes on a team that was one game away from the NBA finals this year despite not having 2 stars and another rotation player. Yes, Cavs not that good but still.

Celtics titles chances go down significantly next year without Smart. I'd even say they go in the toilet if a replacement is not found and Warriors end up in the finals. Yes, Celtics would still be favored to face the Warriors but I am not optimistic of Boston beating them without Smart and without Ainge making a trade for a replacement.

Not going to beat the GSW by outscoring them. Not going to beat them by having Kyrie just focus on offense for 40 MPG. Kyrie/Brown everyone else needs to be going _all out_ like the Spurs kind of did when beating the Heat and beat them with depth/physicality/mental breakdowns. Outside of players like a fairly young Michael Jordan's can't expect players to truly give max effort for 40 MPG even in the NBA finals so if possible you are better off lower the minutes when you stars(Kyrie/Hayward/Horford/Tatum) are truly not top tier. Chasing Curry around is exhausting.

If if just becomes a game of horse between the starting units, Golden State(Curry/Klay/KD) beats the Celtics 95 out of 100 times.

Celtics need to within the rules muck the game up a bit. Smart can be a huge part of that if he is healthy and in shape.

This is so wrong i dont know where to start. Bill Walton was 6th man in 86. Vinnie Johnson was 6th man for the Bad Boy Pistons and some times Dantley. No championship team I can remeber had 6th man worse than Smart. I give up.

81 and 84 Celtics has a pretty good sixth man too.

[sam_I_am]

Nobody is gonna give him more then the midlevel becuase nobody sees him as a starter, he just is too bad offensivly. I am fine with 4 years 32 Million, his an exceptional as a defensive bench player, but that is what he is a defensive bench player. No one is paying him 4-48 this summer.

I think he should hope somebody offers him MLE so he can make more than 6 million this year. I personally think he is better off with a 3 year deal at the most he can get because he needs more than a year to prove he is worth big bucks. Injuries probably derailed a promising start to last season - he did show up to camp lighter, faster and shooting better but the ankle injury set him back. If he can continue on that track and put a couple of good seasons together, he could eventually cash in like Lowry and Billups did.

[brackdan70]

I just couldnt help but notice the similarities between Celtics fans in the SMart thread and Rockets fans in the Capela threads..

Why cant anyone else understand that we made an offer and at this point we have zero reason to outbid ourselves? Like why is this so hard for other people to understand?

Yeah I think most everyone gets that, but fans are anxious for some closure on Smart...one way or another. If I understand correctly with Capella an offer of 4/60 was made this year? With Smart an offer was made last fall and only the QO this year. It is unclear whether the offer from the Cs last fall is still on the table. Capela is looking for quite a bit more... only the Rockets can really give him what he wants at this point... so yeah they Are bidding against themselves this year but if he plays on the QO I suspect ghere will be other suitors next year and Rockets no longer can match. No RFA rights

Smart is a little different as there are still teams that can make an offer in a reasonable range...so yeah Cs are waiting to see what happens. I suspect if there is not an offer sheet from another team Ainge would make a multi year offer that is fair. If the Cs or Rockets want these players back long term you have to be a little careful not to alienate them completely.

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

What Smart sees is players like Exum (11m a year for a players who isn't very good) and Lavine getting large (especially Lavine) contracts so he is wondering why he isn't getting money thrown at him as well. I get the whole RFA thing and teams know, up to a point, the celtics will match but there has not been any offers by any team yet.

Smart has become completely overrated on this team. He is 7th or 8th man off the bench. It is nice he dives for lose balls and makes "winning plays" but he also misses 17 games a year, has maturity issues and cannot shoot. Maybe the kings will do what the kings do and over pay but it looks more and more like Smart will accept the QO.

[Parliament10]

I just couldnt help but notice the similarities between Celtics fans in the SMart thread and Rockets fans in the Capela threads..

Why cant anyone else understand that we made an offer and at this point we have zero reason to outbid ourselves? Like why is this so hard for other people to understand?

Exactly. They should have taken the money, last year. (I'm Assuming Capela was offered an extension, previously?)

[UNCBlue012]

I think he'll sign a 3-to-4-year extension and stay in Boston. It's definitely his best move.

[Celtics_History_Lesson]

Just saw Smart's middle name.


Don't even want him on the team for the QO now.

[Celts17Pride]

Just saw Smart's middle name.


Don't even want him on the team for the QO now.

Smart is waiting for some team to give him an offer sheet otherwise it's back to the Celtics for the QO.

[celticfan42487]

I just couldnt help but notice the similarities between Celtics fans in the SMart thread and Rockets fans in the Capela threads..

Why cant anyone else understand that we made an offer and at this point we have zero reason to outbid ourselves? Like why is this so hard for other people to understand?

Exactly. They should have taken the money, last year. (I'm Assuming Capela was offered an extension, previously?)

Well Smart should have, I think Capela is correct that he will get more money in a better market.

Smart however from the start of the season to just after losing game 7 has said he is worth more than 12 million. Certaintly not more than "12-14" million... like seriously he views himself not only as a starter but as apart of a franchise core in the starting lineup. Which is just not true in any market. And much like previous years he grew in no material way to change his value as a player.

But yeah Capela should take the QO and wait for next offseason. And no team should offer Clint a sheet because HOU will just match it. Hell by next season maybe CP3 will really be done and he'll want to leave. Maybe he's the fall back option for the Lakers if they strike out who knows. But he surely can get paid significantly next year. That said I think the 4/60 is honestly very fair value for Capela, he is an extremely limited player and the Center position has lost it's value in todays game as well as there being a bunch of young talented bigs that have come through the drafts the past 5 years or so. Maybe after their second contracts expire we'll see Centers get paid again.

[Rocketsbaby]

Smart should be considered a 6th man... Smart is better than many starter on championship teams but Warriors have raised the bar. Smart played major minutes on a team that was one game away from the NBA finals this year despite not having 2 stars and another rotation player. Yes, Cavs not that good but still.

Celtics titles chances go down significantly next year without Smart. I'd even say they go in the toilet if a replacement is not found and Warriors end up in the finals. Yes, Celtics would still be favored to face the Warriors but I am not optimistic of Boston beating them without Smart and without Ainge making a trade for a replacement.

Not going to beat the GSW by outscoring them. Not going to beat them by having Kyrie just focus on offense for 40 MPG. Kyrie/Brown everyone else needs to be going _all out_ like the Spurs kind of did when beating the Heat and beat them with depth/physicality/mental breakdowns. Outside of players like a fairly young Michael Jordan's can't expect players to truly give max effort for 40 MPG even in the NBA finals so if possible you are better off lower the minutes when you stars(Kyrie/Hayward/Horford/Tatum) are truly not top tier. Chasing Curry around is exhausting.

If if just becomes a game of horse between the starting units, Golden State(Curry/Klay/KD) beats the Celtics 95 out of 100 times.

Celtics need to within the rules muck the game up a bit. Smart can be a huge part of that if he is healthy and in shape.

This is so wrong i dont know where to start. Bill Walton was 6th man in 86. Vinnie Johnson was 6th man for the Bad Boy Pistons and some times Dantley. No championship team I can remeber had 6th man worse than Smart. I give up.

81 and 84 Celtics has a pretty good sixth man too.

This pistons got a lot better after they traded Dantley away

[Big Joke Line]

So much crow is going to be eaten.

In what sense? Smart getting something or not getting a thing? I believe he ain't getting a thing. QO or 10 mils a year.

In the sense that he is not a need or even a 6th man on a championship team.

[Celts17Pride]

I just couldnt help but notice the similarities between Celtics fans in the SMart thread and Rockets fans in the Capela threads..

Why cant anyone else understand that we made an offer and at this point we have zero reason to outbid ourselves? Like why is this so hard for other people to understand?

The big difference is some people in the Celtics forum think the NBA royalty pecking order is Michael Jordan, Lebron James then Marcus Smart and Danny Ainge should just pay Smart anyways regardless if he has any competition or not.

[Rocketsbaby]

What Smart sees is players like Exum (11m a year for a players who isn't very good) and Lavine getting large (especially Lavine) contracts so he is wondering why he isn't getting money thrown at him as well. I get the whole RFA thing and teams know, up to a point, the celtics will match but there has not been any offers by any team yet.

Smart has become completely overrated on this team. He is 7th or 8th man off the bench. It is nice he dives for lose balls and makes "winning plays" but he also misses 17 games a year, has maturity issues and cannot shoot. Maybe the kings will do what the kings do and over pay but it looks more and more like Smart will accept the QO.

Smart is just too big of a wildcard to give a large multiyear deal too. He needed to show restraint this year. If he was a loose cannon with an impending free agency and a contract on the line, who is going to be able to stop him from shooting once he's locked up for 4/$54... that's the reason most teams aren't interested IMO.

Besides, where is your team going if Smart is your starting PG? He's a guy with some legitimate value because he can backup either guard spot and play as a switchy defender. But his overall defensive impact and offensive impact essentially net out. I'd rather have 1 max player than 3 Marcus Smart level players... he's not worth any amount that is going to throw you into the repeater tax or clog cap space that could be used to sign a superior player..

[Rocketsbaby]

I just couldnt help but notice the similarities between Celtics fans in the SMart thread and Rockets fans in the Capela threads..

Why cant anyone else understand that we made an offer and at this point we have zero reason to outbid ourselves? Like why is this so hard for other people to understand?

Exactly. They should have taken the money, last year. (I'm Assuming Capela was offered an extension, previously?)

THere are a lot of rumors so its hard to know what's what but from what i gather Capela was not offered deal last year bc we needed to keep the cap space. Im sure they probably floated initial numbers and they were far apart so they said lets wait til the offseason. that could be wrong, hard to say... but it appears he was offered 4/$60 this offseason

[Big Joke Line]

Smart should be considered a 6th man... Smart is better than many starter on championship teams but Warriors have raised the bar. Smart played major minutes on a team that was one game away from the NBA finals this year despite not having 2 stars and another rotation player. Yes, Cavs not that good but still.

Celtics titles chances go down significantly next year without Smart. I'd even say they go in the toilet if a replacement is not found and Warriors end up in the finals. Yes, Celtics would still be favored to face the Warriors but I am not optimistic of Boston beating them without Smart and without Ainge making a trade for a replacement.

Not going to beat the GSW by outscoring them. Not going to beat them by having Kyrie just focus on offense for 40 MPG. Kyrie/Brown everyone else needs to be going _all out_ like the Spurs kind of did when beating the Heat and beat them with depth/physicality/mental breakdowns. Outside of players like a fairly young Michael Jordan's can't expect players to truly give max effort for 40 MPG even in the NBA finals so if possible you are better off lower the minutes when you stars(Kyrie/Hayward/Horford/Tatum) are truly not top tier. Chasing Curry around is exhausting.

If if just becomes a game of horse between the starting units, Golden State(Curry/Klay/KD) beats the Celtics 95 out of 100 times.

Celtics need to within the rules muck the game up a bit. Smart can be a huge part of that if he is healthy and in shape.

This is so wrong i dont know where to start. Bill Walton was 6th man in 86. Vinnie Johnson was 6th man for the Bad Boy Pistons and some times Dantley. No championship team I can remeber had 6th man worse than Smart. I give up.

Who was sixth man for the Heat (either incarnation)? For the Cavs? For the Rockets? Those are some candidates who come to mind.

Actually, who was the sixth man for last month's Warriors?

For that matter, how do your rank Smart against James Posey, Eddie House or -- and he has to be included to be fair -- Kendrick Perkins?

Fair enough and not sure it's apples to apples but I also don't remember so much hand wringing over any of them. Perk probably isn't comparable in any way so lets throw that out. I'd say in terms of what them bring (even though different strengths) I'd say they're about even in my mind. I do remember hating letting Posey go and thinking it hurt them.

[Celts17Pride]

What Smart sees is players like Exum (11m a year for a players who isn't very good) and Lavine getting large (especially Lavine) contracts so he is wondering why he isn't getting money thrown at him as well. I get the whole RFA thing and teams know, up to a point, the celtics will match but there has not been any offers by any team yet.

Smart has become completely overrated on this team. He is 7th or 8th man off the bench. It is nice he dives for lose balls and makes "winning plays" but he also misses 17 games a year, has maturity issues and cannot shoot. Maybe the kings will do what the kings do and over pay but it looks more and more like Smart will accept the QO.

Smart is just too big of a wildcard to give a large multiyear deal too. He needed to show restraint this year. If he was a loose cannon with an impending free agency and a contract on the line, who is going to be able to stop him from shooting once he's locked up for 4/$54... that's the reason most teams aren't interested IMO.

Besides, where is your team going if Smart is your starting PG? He's a guy with some legitimate value because he can backup either guard spot and play as a switchy defender. But his overall defensive impact and offensive impact essentially net out. I'd rather have 1 max player than 3 Marcus Smart level players... he's not worth any amount that is going to throw you into the repeater tax or clog cap space that could be used to sign a superior player..

Preach!

[Big Joke Line]

Smart should be considered a 6th man... Smart is better than many starter on championship teams but Warriors have raised the bar. Smart played major minutes on a team that was one game away from the NBA finals this year despite not having 2 stars and another rotation player. Yes, Cavs not that good but still.

Celtics titles chances go down significantly next year without Smart. I'd even say they go in the toilet if a replacement is not found and Warriors end up in the finals. Yes, Celtics would still be favored to face the Warriors but I am not optimistic of Boston beating them without Smart and without Ainge making a trade for a replacement.

Not going to beat the GSW by outscoring them. Not going to beat them by having Kyrie just focus on offense for 40 MPG. Kyrie/Brown everyone else needs to be going _all out_ like the Spurs kind of did when beating the Heat and beat them with depth/physicality/mental breakdowns. Outside of players like a fairly young Michael Jordan's can't expect players to truly give max effort for 40 MPG even in the NBA finals so if possible you are better off lower the minutes when you stars(Kyrie/Hayward/Horford/Tatum) are truly not top tier. Chasing Curry around is exhausting.

If if just becomes a game of horse between the starting units, Golden State(Curry/Klay/KD) beats the Celtics 95 out of 100 times.

Celtics need to within the rules muck the game up a bit. Smart can be a huge part of that if he is healthy and in shape.

This is so wrong i dont know where to start. Bill Walton was 6th man in 86. Vinnie Johnson was 6th man for the Bad Boy Pistons and some times Dantley. No championship team I can remeber had 6th man worse than Smart. I give up.

81 and 84 Celtics has a pretty good sixth man too.

For sure although for some reason in my memory I never think of McHale as a non-starter.