Best NBA Player Year By Year Since 2000.

complexNBA · Post #1 » by **complexNBA** » Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:29 am

What are the best NBA player year by year since 2000.

My list

2000: Shaq
2001:Shaq
2002: Shaq
2003: Duncan
2004: Garnett
2005: Garnett
2006: Kobe
2007: Kobe
2008: Kobe
2009: LeBron
2010: LeBron
2011: LeBron
2012: LeBron
2013 : LeBron
2014: LeBron
2015: LeBron
2016: Curry
2017: LeBron
2018: LeBron

JordansBulls · Post #2 » by **JordansBulls** » Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:34 am

complexNBA wrote:What are the best NBA player year by year since 2000.

My list

2000: Shaq
2001:Shaq
2002: Shaq
2003: Duncan
2004: Garnett
2005: Garnett
2006: Kobe
2007: Kobe
2008: Kobe
2009: LeBron
2010: LeBron
2011: LeBron
2012: LeBron
2013 : LeBron
2014: LeBron
2015: LeBron
2016: Curry
2017: LeBron
2018: LeBron

2015 was definitely Curry, 2014 was definitely Durant. 2011 was definitely Dirk. 2006 was Wade, 2007 was probably Duncan. 2005 I am not sure how people are saying Garnett, the guy didn't even make the playoffs. 2002 is up for grabs between Shaq and Duncan. 2010 is one of 3 players. 2017 and 2018 debateable but for the season it was clear Lebron wasn't the best and he didnt end up with the title either, so others have strong cases in those circumstances.
To me you either need the best stats on the season and/or won the title that season as the clear best player on the floor.

Hook_Em · Post #3 » by **Hook_Em** » Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:51 am

Wade was better than Kobe in 06’. Regular and postseason.

Spintown · Post #4 » by **Spintown** » Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:09 am

Counting regular and postseason
2000: Shaq
2001:Shaq
2002: Shaq
2003: Duncan
2004: Garnett
2005: Nash
2006: Kobe
2007: Kobe
2008: Kobe
2009: LeBron
2010: LeBron
2011: Dirk
2012: LeBron
2013 : LeBron
2014: Durant
2015: LeBron
2016: Curry
2017: Lebron
2018: Durant

Cavsfansince84 · Post #5 » by **Cavsfansince84** » Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:48 am

Spintown wrote:Counting regular and postseason
2000: Shaq
2001:Shaq
2002: Shaq
2003: Duncan
2004: Garnett
2005: Nash
2006: Kobe
2007: Kobe
2008: Kobe
2009: LeBron
2010: LeBron
2011: Dirk
2012: LeBron
2013 : LeBron
2014: Durant
2015: LeBron
2016: Curry
2017: Lebron
2018: Durant

I really don't understand the argument for Durant in 2018 other than him having that 43 pt game and winning fmvp. I think by metrics it was easily his worst regular season since 2012 and he missed 14 games on top of that. He wasn't really that great in the playoffs either. Just no real basis for having him as the best player in 2018 imo. LeBron and a few other guys all have much stronger arguments.

complexNBA · Post #6 » by **complexNBA** » Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:27 am

Durant in 2018 don't make sense

Spintown · Post #7 » by **Spintown** » Thu Jul 12, 2018 6:10 am

Ofcourse people hate Durant right now and would never allow him to be viewed as the best player, but he was the most impactful player no matter how you slice it.

dhsilv2 · Post #8 » by **dhsilv2** » Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:45 am

Spintown wrote:Ofcourse people hate Durant right now and would never allow him to be viewed as the best player, but he was the most impactful player no matter how you slice it.

This is just completely false. You realize we have actual metrics to measure impact? They firmly paint the picture that KD's stats are far better than his actual impact. That isn't to say we should judge a player purely on impact metrics, but it's unquestionably he wasn't near the top in impact last year.

euroleague · Post #9 » by **euroleague** » Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:48 am

dhsilv2 wrote:
Spintown wrote:Ofcourse people hate Durant right now and would never allow him to be viewed as the best player, but he was the most impactful player no matter how you slice it.

This is just completely false. You realize we have actual metrics to measure impact? They firmly paint the picture that KD's stats are far better than his actual impact. That isn't to say we should judge a player purely on impact metrics, but it's unquestionably he wasn't near the top in impact last year.

We don’t have stats which measure impact. We have stats which measure things related to impact... obviously can’t measure impact

dhsilv2 · Post #10 » by **dhsilv2** » Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:51 am

euroleague wrote:
dhsilv2 wrote:
Spintown wrote:Ofcourse people hate Durant right now and would never allow him to be viewed as the best player, but he was the most impactful player no matter how you slice it.

This is just completely false. You realize we have actual metrics to measure impact? They firmly paint the picture that KD's stats are far better than his actual impact. That isn't to say we should judge a player purely on impact metrics, but it's unquestionably he wasn't near the top in impact last year.

We don’t have stats which measure impact. We have stats which measure things related to impact... obviously can’t measure impact

Why can't you measure impact?

euroleague · Post #11 » by **euroleague** » Thu Jul 12, 2018 8:06 am

My list

2000: Shaq
2001: Shaq
2002: Duncan
2003: Duncan
2004: Garnett
2005: Duncan
2006: Nash
2007: Nash
2008: Kobe
2009: Dwight
2010: Kobe
2011: Dirk
2012: LeBron
2013: LeBron
2014: Durant
2015: LeBron
2016: Curry
2017: Westbrook
2018: Harden

70 Kareem
71 Kareem
72 Wilt
73 Kareem
74 Kareem
75 Rick Barry
76 Dr J
77 Kareem
78 Walton
79 Kareem
80 Kareem
81 Larry Bird
82 Moses
83 Moses
84 Bird
85 Bird
86 Bird
87 Magic
88 MJ
89 MJ
90 MJ
91 MJ
92 MJ
93 Hakeem
94 Hakeem
95 Hakeem
96 MJ
97 MJ
98 Karl Malone
99 Tim Duncan

MJ Kareem each have 7. Then Duncan and Bird with 4.

euroleague · Post #12 » by **euroleague** » Thu Jul 12, 2018 8:31 am

dhsilv2 wrote:
euroleague wrote:
dhsilv2 wrote:
This is just completely false. You realize we have actual metrics to measure impact? They firmly paint the picture that KD's stats are far better than his actual impact. That isn't to say we should judge a player purely on impact metrics, but it's unquestionably he wasn't near the top in impact last year.

We don’t have stats which measure impact. We have stats which measure things related to impact... obviously can’t measure impact

Why can't you measure impact?

Impact isn’t a stat. Can you measure skill? Impact stats include: coaching, strategy, opponent, teammates, energy level, etc.

No stats we have can distinguish impact, just things like RAPM which can calculate player/team performance

dhsilv2 · Post #13 » by **dhsilv2** » Thu Jul 12, 2018 8:35 am

euroleague wrote:
dhsilv2 wrote:
euroleague wrote:
We don’t have stats which measure impact. We have stats which measure things related to impact... obviously can’t measure impact

Why can't you measure impact?

Impact isn’t a stat. Can you measure skill?

Skill isn't impact. Why are impact stats not measuring impact? I'm seriously asking for you to explain this.

Missing Rings · Post #14 » by **Missing Rings** » Thu Jul 12, 2018 8:38 am

dhsilv2 wrote:
euroleague wrote:
dhsilv2 wrote:
Why can't you measure impact?

Impact isn’t a stat. Can you measure skill?

Skill isn't impact. Why are impact stats not measuring impact? I'm seriously asking for you to explain this.

“When people are doing their utmost to upset you, it's probably best to just laugh at them.”
― Wayne Gerard Trotman

Morb · Post #15 » by **Morb** » Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:15 pm

I need roast Duncan 2003 for T-Mac MVP.
All Star team, cheated wingspan like 7'9, losing Olympics 2004 to Ginobili team, etc.))

ChartFiction · Post #16 » by **ChartFiction** » Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:56 pm

dhsilv2 wrote:
euroleague wrote:
dhsilv2 wrote:
Why can't you measure impact?

Impact isn’t a stat. Can you measure skill?

Skill isn't impact. Why are impact stats not measuring impact? I'm seriously asking for you to explain this.

He's just making the distinction that skill and impact aren't stats that are measured. There are stats that correlate but would fail to be considered a measurement of skill and impact, i.e fg% or rapm.

dhsilv2 · Post #17 » by **dhsilv2** » Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:06 pm

ChartFiction wrote:
dhsilv2 wrote:
euroleague wrote:Impact isn’t a stat. Can you measure skill?

Skill isn't impact. Why are impact stats not measuring impact? I'm seriously asking for you to explain this.

He's just making the distinction that skill and impact aren't stats that are measured. There are stats that correlate but would fail to be considered a measurement of skill and impact, i.e fg% or rapm.

Using that logic points scored is not a metric for scoring. I think we'd all agree we have ways to measure who is better at scoring in terms of volume, and no we don't just use 1 metrics but that's a given with everything.

clyde21 · Post #18 » by **clyde21** » Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:36 pm

I'd put Durant in '14 and Curry in '15 but other than that looks decent.

Narigo · Post #19 » by **Narigo** » Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:03 pm

For Fun

1950:Mikan
1951:Mikan
1952:Mikan
1953:Mikan
1954:Mikan
1955:Johnston
1956:Johnston
1957:Pettit
1958:Russell
1959:Russell
1960:Russell
1961:Russell
1962:Chamberlain
1963:Russell
1964:Chamberlain
1965:Russell
1966:Chamberlain
1967:Chamberlain
1968:Chamberlain
1969:Reed
1970:West
1971:Kareem
1972:Kareem
1973:Kareem
1974:Kareem
1975:Kareem
1976:Kareem
1977:Kareem
1978:Kareem
1979:Kareem
1980:Kareem
1981:Erving
1982:Erving
1983:Moses
1984:Bird
1985:Bird
1986:Bird
1987:Magic
1988:Jordan
1989:Jordan
1990:Jordan
1991:Jordan
1992:Jordan
1993:Jordan
1994:Hakeem
1995:Shaq
1996:Jordan
1997:Jordan
1998:K.Malone
1999:Shaq
2000:Shaq
2001:Shaq
2002:Duncan
2003:Duncan
2004:Garnett
2005:Garnett
2006:LeBron
2007:Duncan
2008:LeBron
2009:LeBron
2010:LeBron
2011:LeBron
2012:LeBron
2013 LeBron
2014:LeBron
2015:Curry
2016:Curry
2017:LeBron
2018:Harden

HeartBreakKid · Post #20 » by **HeartBreakKid** » Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:10 pm

Durant over James hurts my soul.