2018 Summer League Thread: League Games and News

[Knicksfan20]

Willy is balling but it’s on him for coming into last season out of shape.

There was a boatload of dumb garbage said about Willy on this board

I get that people may have had a beef for him being out of shape, i.e. not wanting it or being unprofessional and perhaps that was warranted, but ............

he was always talented and had incredibly good post/pivot moves and people typically wrote him off as trash which was pure stupidity, because it was never a talent issue. It was a will and desire issue. I hope he does well

People just don’t like grown men acting like a hoe. Willy handled things in NY like a hoe.

[Knicksfan20]

Im glad Willy is gone. Mitchell>Willy anyways.

[WajaBawl]

Thing is, if Willy was still here, we might not have used our 2nd to draft yet another center, so i guess it was addition by subtraction.

[whocares1]

Willy is balling but it’s on him for coming into last season out of shape.

There was a boatload of dumb garbage said about Willy on this board

I get that people may have had a beef for him being out of shape, i.e. not wanting it or being unprofessional and perhaps that was warranted, but ............

he was always talented and had incredibly good post/pivot moves and people typically wrote him off as trash which was pure stupidity, because it was never a talent issue. It was a will and desire issue. I hope he does well

People just don’t like grown men acting like a hoe. Willy handled things in NY like a hoe.

Because he wasn’t getting playing time over a guy not in the future plans of this team and another guy that’s on another team right now.

[whocares1]

damn they slobbing on willy hard this game lol, is there no other player to talk about between hornets and warriors lol

he looks good tho, more cut up

Miles, you ****.

[Knicksfan20]

Thing is, if Willy was still here, we might not have used our 2nd to draft yet another center, so i guess it was addition by subtraction.

except we got a top rated player with that 2nd round pick. There is no difference between Willy and Kanter.

[j4remi]

Thing is, if Willy was still here, we might not have used our 2nd to draft yet another center, so i guess it was addition by subtraction.

except we got a top rated player with that 2nd round pick. There is no difference between Willy and Kanter.

Except age, experience and about 15.5 million dollars per season.

[KnicksGod]

Thing is, if Willy was still here, we might not have used our 2nd to draft yet another center, so i guess it was addition by subtraction.

except we got a top rated player with that 2nd round pick. There is no difference between Willy and Kanter.

I think he's agreeing with you. He's saying that if Willy was here we wouldn't have taken Mitchell so it's a good thing Willy isn't here.

We Knicks fans disagree even when we agree. Perhaps BFS is linked to dementia

[Knicksfan20]

Thing is, if Willy was still here, we might not have used our 2nd to draft yet another center, so i guess it was addition by subtraction.

except we got a top rated player with that 2nd round pick. There is no difference between Willy and Kanter.

Except age, experience and about 15.5 million dollars per season.

K. Are we keeping Willy long term? Will he have been apart of the team 3 years from now? If he is , he would probably be in a bench role, unhappy, and still complaining to the media. Guys like him are a headache. Better off without him.

[j4remi]

except we got a top rated player with that 2nd round pick. There is no difference between Willy and Kanter.

Except age, experience and about 15.5 million dollars per season.

K. Are we keeping Willy long term? Will he have been apart of the team 3 years from now? If he is , he would probably be in a bench role, unhappy, and still complaining to the media. Guys like him are a headache. Better off without him.

Would Willy potentially be more valuable this year than he was at the trade deadline last summer? Even if we're better off without him, it was a bad idea to trade a young, cost-controlled player at the low point of his value. If he shows more problematic behavior in the future, I'll reconsider but after hearing multiple young players allude to how bad and aimless coaching left them last year; I'm more upset we gave up a cheap All-Rookie player with upside for a pair of second rounders when he's always been productive with minutes. They should have dealt him sooner or held him longer.

[Clyde_Style]

Except age, experience and about 15.5 million dollars per season.

K. Are we keeping Willy long term? Will he have been apart of the team 3 years from now? If he is , he would probably be in a bench role, unhappy, and still complaining to the media. Guys like him are a headache. Better off without him.

Would Willy potentially be more valuable this year than he was at the trade deadline last summer? Even if we're better off without him, it was a bad idea to trade a young, cost-controlled player at the low point of his value. If he shows more problematic behavior in the future, I'll reconsider but after hearing multiple young players allude to how bad and aimless coaching left them last year; I'm more upset we gave up a cheap All-Rookie player with upside for a pair of second rounders when he's always been productive with minutes. They should have dealt him sooner or held him longer.

It was mishandled. In terms of trade value they had teams knocking on their doors earlier offering real value and then they created a drama around his benching and destroyed his value. It was fairly incompetent and Jeff was a big part of that. It is plausible that Jeff was the whole reason for it being bungled too. I don't think he was sooooooooooooooooooo out of shape he couldn't play. Come on. That's BS.

[whocares1]

K. Are we keeping Willy long term? Will he have been apart of the team 3 years from now? If he is , he would probably be in a bench role, unhappy, and still complaining to the media. Guys like him are a headache. Better off without him.

Would Willy potentially be more valuable this year than he was at the trade deadline last summer? Even if we're better off without him, it was a bad idea to trade a young, cost-controlled player at the low point of his value. If he shows more problematic behavior in the future, I'll reconsider but after hearing multiple young players allude to how bad and aimless coaching left them last year; I'm more upset we gave up a cheap All-Rookie player with upside for a pair of second rounders when he's always been productive with minutes. They should have dealt him sooner or held him longer.

It was mishandled. In terms of trade value they had teams knocking on their doors earlier offering real value and then they created a drama around his benching and destroyed his value. It was fairly incompetent and Jeff was a big part of that. It is plausible that Jeff was the whole reason for it being bungled too. I don't think he was sooooooooooooooooooo out of shape he couldn't play. Come on. That's BS.

He didn’t make the center rotation because Kanter is currently better than him and Jeff understandably didn’t want two Kanters. He went with a more defensive minded back up. The issue was Jeff’s lack of concern for developing Willy as he was more preoccupied with wins.

[el13adnino]

Who are your favorites for today’s game?

[stuporman]

I think this FO has an issue with valuation of players that creeps into their negotiating deals which allows other FOs to take advantage of them.

They probably didn't value Willy with his ground bound game as much as he is worth so didn't flinch at trading him for two 2nds. Yet, they also included a 2nd in dealing for Mudiay who isn't even as good as the guy they traded away for him, Dougie.

This doesn't mean they can't evaluate players well, they can and this draft is a little bit of evidence of it. Although, when working a deal they shouldn't let themselves get worked by others based on their own perceived value of the player.

[newyorker4ever]

people still talking about Willy on here even though he's been gone for a while now and won't be back. Offensive only centers aren't all that hard to find these days.

[newyorker4ever]

people still talking about Willy on here even though he's been gone for a while now and won't be back. Offensive only centers aren't all that hard to find these days.

[whocares1]

people still talking about Willy on here even though he's been gone for a while now and won't be back. Offensive only centers aren't all that hard to find these days.

We should be allowed to talk about any player we choose to. Not sure what’s the issue discussing him, if he’s being spoken about it’s because (obviously) people want to talk about him.

[Illightinati]

I think this FO has an issue with valuation of players that creeps into their negotiating deals that allow other FOs to take advantage of them.

They probably didn't value Willy with his ground bound game as much as he is worth so didn't flinch at trading him for two 2nds. Yet, they also included a 2nd in dealing for Mudiay who isn't even as good as the guy they traded away for him, Dougie.

This doesn't mean they can't evaluate players well, they can and this draft is a little bit of evidence of it. Although, when working a deal they shouldn't let themselves get worked by others based on their own perceived value of the player.

They need an old-time prestigious New York Hustler or sharp Wall Street Shark in there to negotiate contracts, cause the amount the Knicks get hustled is an embarrassment to NY culture.

[newyorker4ever]

people still talking about Willy on here even though he's been gone for a while now and won't be back. Offensive only centers aren't all that hard to find these days.

We should be allowed to talk about any player we choose to. Not sure what’s the issue discussing him, if he’s being spoken about it’s because (obviously) people want to talk about him.

[Knicksfan1992]

Everything Perry, Fiz (and Mills since Perry has been here) has preached about how he wants to build this team is the opposite of what Willy was. He's repeatedly said he wants young, athletic, long, defensive oriented (or at least potential to be coached up on that end) guys to build with. Now tell me what boxes does Willy check off in that group? Even if you think he didn't get a fair shake it's still clear he wasn't the type Perry wanted in NY long term. Willy didn't do himself any favors by leaking stories through his agent that he wanted to play or be traded.. It is what it is he's gone and we got 2 2nd rounders from a team that is projected to be bad for the next 3-5 years. No harm no foul in my opinion. I think Mitch's potential is higher than Willy's anyway(and he's much younger) so I'm glad we've got him instead as our bench big for the future...