Marcus Smart free agency Take 2. "He works hard for the money" Agrees to 4 year 52$ million deal page 32

cloverleaf · Post #161 » by **cloverleaf** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 6:57 am

Parliament10 wrote:Marcus Smart must be being an unreasonable stickler.
Baynes was done the first night.

Don't hold up Bird's contract, for Smart.
Just sign Bird.

Smart is snoozing; and will be losing, if he plays too much.

Agreed.

brackdan70 · Post #162 » by **brackdan70** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:56 pm

cloverleaf wrote:
Parliament10 wrote:Marcus Smart must be being an unreasonable stickler.
Baynes was done the first night.

Don't hold up Bird's contract, for Smart.
Just sign Bird.

Smart is snoozing; and will be losing, if he plays too much.

Agreed.

I somewhat agree about signing Bird to a minimum but the Cs want and should maintain as much flexibility as they can. Dealing with Smart first is the right move You never now maybe a sign and trade is presented that makes a lot of sense for the Cs and they need an extra roster spot. If they sign Bird first and need to take back two players they are in a tight spot.

Smart should be looking for the best deal he can get. Which to us seems like the Cs...but Sac is still out there and S and T options no matter how unlikely are worth his camp pursuing...doing their due diligence. I have no clue what is actually going on but always suspected this would take a while even though I hoped it would be quick.

Celts17Pride · Post #163 » by **Celts17Pride** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:52 pm

Be interesting to see if the Kings pick up their interest in Smart now that Parker is off the table

Homerclease · Post #164 » by **Homerclease** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:54 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:Be interesting to see if the Kings pick up their interest in Smart now that Parker is off the table

What happened to their interest in Rodney Hood as well?

Smarts options are drying up quickly

rickrolled · Post #165 » by **rickrolled** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:57 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:Be interesting to see if the Kings pick up their interest in Smart now that Parker is off the table

Nah he screwed. Its MLE level deal or QO.

celticfan42487 · Post #166 » by **celticfan42487** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 3:13 pm

Okay so I was saying how teams should get Jabari Parker on the cheap over Smart

... I did not consider 20 million a season "on the cheap". And for only 2 years... what the **** is the point CHI?

Like, market value coming off an injury at his age I think Parker is at beast a 15 million player. But for 2 years there's no reason to pay him because if he does play healthy he'll just up his value to around that value... and yet he'll be a free agent and you'll lose the asset.

a 2 for 20 is just horrible for the Bulls all around. The only winner is Parker who gets way more money than he should be getting AND the flexibility of a short contract that rides out the end of the 2016 contract squeeze the league has been feeling.

Jesus.

thelarrybirdx · Post #167 » by **thelarrybirdx** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 3:16 pm

celticfan42487 wrote:Okay so I was saying how teams should get Jabari Parker on the cheap over Smart

... I did not consider 20 million a season "on the cheap". And for only 2 years... what the **** is the point CHI?

Like, market value coming off an injury at his age I think Parker is at beast a 15 million player. But for 2 years there's no reason to pay him because if he does play healthy he'll just up his value to around that value... and yet he'll be a free agent and you'll lose the asset.

a 2 for 20 is just horrible for the Bulls all around. The only winner is Parker who gets way more money than he should be getting AND the flexibility of a short contract that rides out the end of the 2016 contract squeeze the league has been feeling.

Jesus.

Looks like the Bulls are trying to make the playoffs. They honestly might squeak into the 8th seed if they stay healthy.

Post #168 » by **Darth Celtic** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 3:23 pm

celticfan42487 wrote:Okay so I was saying how teams should get Jabari Parker on the cheap over Smart

... I did not consider 20 million a season "on the cheap". And for only 2 years... what the **** is the point CHI?

Like, market value coming off an injury at his age I think Parker is at beast a 15 million player. But for 2 years there's no reason to pay him because if he does play healthy he'll just up his value to around that value... and yet he'll be a free agent and you'll lose the asset.

a 2 for 20 is just horrible for the Bulls all around. The only winner is Parker who gets way more money than he should be getting AND the flexibility of a short contract that rides out the end of the 2016 contract squeeze the league has been feeling.

Jesus.

you don't get restricted free agents by giving them fair market contracts. you have to overpay if you want the other team to let them go.

celticfan42487 · Post #169 » by **celticfan42487** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 3:23 pm

thelarrybirdx wrote:
celticfan42487 wrote:Okay so I was saying how teams should get Jabari Parker on the cheap over Smart

... I did not consider 20 million a season "on the cheap". And for only 2 years... what the **** is the point CHI?

Like, market value coming off an injury at his age I think Parker is at beast a 15 million player. But for 2 years there's no reason to pay him because if he does play healthy he'll just up his value to around that value... and yet he'll be a free agent and you'll lose the asset.

a 2 for 20 is just horrible for the Bulls all around. The only winner is Parker who gets way more money than he should be getting AND the flexibility of a short contract that rides out the end of the 2016 contract squeeze the league has been feeling.

Jesus.

Looks like the Bulls are trying to make the playoffs. They honestly might squeak into the 8th seed if they stay healthy.

.. I mean I guess.

I guess this does move them from "no way in hell" to "well maybe if Lavine recovers and Parker stays healthy all season they could"

Jesus.

I would put DET and CHA ahead of them, but CHA could trade away Kemba. So yeah they're in the mix now.

celticfan42487 · Post #170 » by **celticfan42487** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 3:33 pm

Darth Celtic wrote:
celticfan42487 wrote:Okay so I was saying how teams should get Jabari Parker on the cheap over Smart

... I did not consider 20 million a season "on the cheap". And for only 2 years... what the **** is the point CHI?

Like, market value coming off an injury at his age I think Parker is at beast a 15 million player. But for 2 years there's no reason to pay him because if he does play healthy he'll just up his value to around that value... and yet he'll be a free agent and you'll lose the asset.

a 2 for 20 is just horrible for the Bulls all around. The only winner is Parker who gets way more money than he should be getting AND the flexibility of a short contract that rides out the end of the 2016 contract squeeze the league has been feeling.

Jesus.

you don't get restricted free agents by giving them fair market contracts. you have to overpay if you want the other team to let them go.

Well that's if their team wants them. The Bucks signed Parker's replacement on like the second day of free agency.

I'm pretty sure the Bucks would not have matched even a 10 million per year salary for Parker but certainly not 15 million.

celticfan42487 · Post #171 » by **celticfan42487** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 3:34 pm

Anywho, Smart's options are now basically

QO for Celtics at 6 million
MLE on another team for 8.5 million
Potentially 12 million from the Kings

Right? His only free agent competition is Rodney Hood correct?

cloverleaf · Post #172 » by **cloverleaf** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 3:39 pm

celticfan42487 wrote:
thelarrybirdx wrote:
celticfan42487 wrote:Okay so I was saying how teams should get Jabari Parker on the cheap over Smart

... I did not consider 20 million a season "on the cheap". And for only 2 years... what the **** is the point CHI?

Like, market value coming off an injury at his age I think Parker is at beast a 15 million player. But for 2 years there's no reason to pay him because if he does play healthy he'll just up his value to around that value... and yet he'll be a free agent and you'll lose the asset.

a 2 for 20 is just horrible for the Bulls all around. The only winner is Parker who gets way more money than he should be getting AND the flexibility of a short contract that rides out the end of the 2016 contract squeeze the league has been feeling.

Jesus.

Looks like the Bulls are trying to make the playoffs. They honestly might squeak into the 8th seed if they stay healthy.

.. I mean I guess.

I guess this does move them from "no way in hell" to "well maybe if Lavine recovers and Parker stays healthy all season they could"

Jesus.

I would put DET and CHA ahead of them, but CHA could trade away Kemba. So yeah they're in the mix now.

Sounds to me like they also hope to be in the hunt for a trade whale.

Captain_Caveman · Post #173 » by **Captain_Caveman** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 3:44 pm

cloverleaf wrote:
Parliament10 wrote:Marcus Smart must be being an unreasonable stickler.
Baynes was done the first night.

Don't hold up Bird's contract, for Smart.
Just sign Bird.

Smart is snoozing; and will be losing, if he plays too much.

Agreed.

There is really very risk in him passing on deals in the $10-12m a year range.

Captain_Caveman · Post #174 » by **Captain_Caveman** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 3:45 pm

celticfan42487 wrote:Anywho, Smart's options are now basically

QO for Celtics at 6 million
MLE on another team for 8.5 million
Potentially 12 million from the Kings

Right? His only free agent competition is Rodney Hood correct?

Celts probably have an offer above the QO that he would need to come to Jesus on.

Andrew McCeltic · Post #175 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 3:58 pm

Milwaukee could match.. 2 years isn’t a major commitment - but don’t know their plans.

Dunn, Lauri and Carter Jr. are nice pieces - I don’t know if any will be stars - Dunn was old for a rookie, but has shown progress - Lauri is going to be pretty good, but all-star good? If everything breaks right, that’s a nice core, but.. the odds of that happening aren’t high.

jfs1000d · Post #176 » by **jfs1000d** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 3:59 pm

I don’t get why this is controversial for bulls. They are prob 7-8th seed next year with upside.

I like those moves. And, what happens if Parker breaks out and is healthy and lives up to his talent?

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Post #177 » by **Spin Move** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 4:07 pm

jfs1000d wrote:I don’t get why this is controversial for bulls. They are prob 7-8th seed next year with upside.

I like those moves. And, what happens if Parker breaks out and is healthy and lives up to his talent?

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He and Levine are super sub par defenders, Markenen is not a good defender either, that will be an atrocious defensive team. Also had they put a non gaurenteed 3rd year on their (mutual option) then it would have been better for trade purposes. Since its only 2 years its not aweful, and they do have some nice peices, but they are gonna have a bottom 3 defense. Also Parker has had 1 good season and only 1 healthy season its alot 40 million is a decent chunk to pay someone who has a history of missing half the season.

Post #178 » by **darrendaye** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 4:12 pm

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ConstableGeneva · Post #179 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 4:25 pm

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Tiny ball · Post #180 » by **Tiny ball** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 4:40 pm

Spin Move wrote:
jfs1000d wrote:I don’t get why this is controversial for bulls. They are prob 7-8th seed next year with upside.

I like those moves. And, what happens if Parker breaks out and is healthy and lives up to his talent?

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He and Levine are super sub par defenders, Markenen is not a good defender either, that will be an atrocious defensive team. Also had they put a non gaurenteed 3rd year on their (mutual option) then it would have been better for trade purposes. Since its only 2 years its not aweful, and they do have some nice peices, but they are gonna have a bottom 3 defense. Also Parker has had 1 good season and only 1 healthy season its alot 40 million is a decent chunk to pay someone who has a history of missing half the season.

I truly do not get it! Why teams pay these always injured players that kind of money. Jimmy I can't get buckets because I don't play often turning down 100 million. That is crazy money for guy that plays two thirds of a season. Teams must be run by idiots.