Marcus Smart free agency Take 2. "He works hard for the money" Agrees to 4 year 52$ million deal page 32

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[VeryMuchWoke]

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Marcus Smart:
2018-19 -- Contract details by year -- $11,607,143 -- Age 24
2019-20 -- Contract details by year -- $12,535,714 -- Age 25
2020-21 -- Contract details by year -- $13,464,286 -- Age 26
2021-22 -- Contract details by year -- $14,392,857 -- Age 27

As a declining Deal (assuming 7.5% decline in year one):

2018-19 --- 14,647,900 --- 102M Cap -- 14.36% of cap -- 8.64M MLE -- 1.695 * MLE
2019-20 --- 13,549,300 --- 109M Cap -- 12.43% of cap -- 9.25M MLE -- 1.465 * MLE
2020-21 --- 12,450,700 --- 116M Cap -- 10.73% of cap -- 9.84M MLE -- 1.265 * MLE
2021-22 --- 11,352,100 --- 121.8M Cap -- 9.32% of cap -- 10.3M MLE -- 1.098 * MLE

[Edug27]

Don't worry. If we are trying trading for AD, Smart won't be the one holding us back. It will be whether we want to send both Tatum and Brown, on top of whatever else they are asking for.

Trading players in the last year of their deal never works out that way. They don’t get huge returns like Tatum and Brown.

When was the last time you saw a guy at the level of AD at his age getting traded? Never. So it's not going to happen. But if it did, it will take a king's ransom. Don't even tell me about Kawhi or PG because neither is close to AD's level. If we ever were trading for AD, we have to at least include Tatum or Brown. Most likely both. Unless they have become superstars by then themselves.

Again, IF AD is ever to be traded, it'll be because the Pelicans fear he'll opt out of the last year of his deal and walk. Whether it gets that far is anyones guess. But if a trade were to ever take place, that'll be the reason. So they'll either go the OKC route with KD... or try and move him before it gets that far. He'll be 26 in 2019, when they'll try to move him in this scenario.

Kawhi right now just turned 27.
Paul George was 26 when traded.
Kevin Love was 25.
Chris Paul was 26.
Dwight was 26.
Kyrie was 25.

[SichtingLives]

Congrats to him and his family. I thought it’d be around 3yrs/33 or 4/44; this is a bit high, but not earth shattering. Hopefully he’ll be able to play over 70 games, learn how to shoot, and play more to his strengths on offense overall.

Staying at his functional playing weight is good enough for me. I think we have enough evidence by now that it is actually the fat Marcus who is most representative of bad Marcus.

[Spin Move]

I think KAT is more likley to move then AD, I don't think he is as good, but he is an upgrade for us at C as who knows how much longer Al will be able to maintain his level of play.

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$32,658 beyond being able to dodge the tax by giving away Yabusele.

$29,772 if Nader is sucessfully given away with cash and Bird is signed.

Hard for me to believe it's actually an exact 4/52, if those are the kinds of tiny margins we're talking about. You really can't tweak it by 30k to give yourself much greater flexibility?

4/51.86 is all it would have taken.


Edit: Whoops, off by an order of magnitude. 300k, not 30k. Still hard to understand how they couldn't have settled at 4/50.5

I gotta imagine this is rounding in reporting, right? Not everyone, esp in the media, is quite as picky about these things. Even the tweet says "around $11.6M". So, I'm sure we have that wiggle room. Zarren is definitely one of the picky ones.

I think the margin is actually too large for it to be lack of precision. 4/50.5 would not likely get announced as 4/52.

It partially makes me think that Ainge still expects to be active enough on the trade market that he's just not bothered about tiptoeing around too carefully.

[BRUNiNHO91]

There are 3 types of posters. The one who cheers on everything their team does... the one who has negative comments about everything their team does.. and the one who enjoys playing keyboard GM on a forum and gives their personal opinion on each move, whether they liked it or not.

Just because you didn’t like the Kawhi trade doesn’t mean you think you know more than Pop or RC. Just because you disliked Brads lineup to end the game doesn’t mean you think you know more about baskeball sets than he does. You’re allowed to question people smarter than you. Otherwise this forum would just be.. well.. it would be like watching Nick Wright talk about Lebron.

Or maybe I need a nap and I’m off base here. Idk. I did just eat chipotle for lunch and that always makes me sleepy.

I don't even know what's going on here anymore. It's almost like you're telling me to take a nap because I'm telling others to take a nap..so yeah maybe we should all take a nap. Idk. The only thing I know is..**** the Warriors!

[24istheLAW]

There are 3 types of posters. The one who cheers on everything their team does... the one who has negative comments about everything their team does.. and the one who enjoys playing keyboard GM on a forum and gives their personal opinion on each move, whether they liked it or not.

Just because you didn’t like the Kawhi trade doesn’t mean you think you know more than Pop or RC. Just because you disliked Brads lineup to end the game doesn’t mean you think you know more about baskeball sets than he does. You’re allowed to question people smarter than you. Otherwise this forum would just be.. well.. it would be like watching Nick Wright talk about Lebron.

Or maybe I need a nap and I’m off base here. Idk. I did just eat chipotle for lunch and that always makes me sleepy.

One should absolutely critique the moves based on one's own assumptions and using one's best judgement. That's the point of the forum. I know I keep coming here for original opinions/content.

But the agendas can be frustrating at times. People hate on Slart for having controversial opinions, but if he's wrong he cops to it. I know I've been wrong on here many times about stuff. Tatum, Marcus Morris to use recent Cs examples, Zach LaVine and Alex Len to use some non Cs examples. It's just frustrating when rather than the dialogue evolving with the bottom line on the court, people just retreat deeper into their fortresses.

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Is Marcus bringing back the Cheetos hair???

[Edug27]

There are 3 types of posters. The one who cheers on everything their team does... the one who has negative comments about everything their team does.. and the one who enjoys playing keyboard GM on a forum and gives their personal opinion on each move, whether they liked it or not.

Just because you didn’t like the Kawhi trade doesn’t mean you think you know more than Pop or RC. Just because you disliked Brads lineup to end the game doesn’t mean you think you know more about baskeball sets than he does. You’re allowed to question people smarter than you. Otherwise this forum would just be.. well.. it would be like watching Nick Wright talk about Lebron.

Or maybe I need a nap and I’m off base here. Idk. I did just eat chipotle for lunch and that always makes me sleepy.

One should absolutely critique the moves based on one's own assumptions and using one's best judgement. That's the point of the forum. I know I keep coming here for original opinions/content.

But the agendas can be frustrating at times. People hate on Slart for having controversial opinions, but if he's wrong he cops to it. I know I've been wrong on here many times about stuff. Tatum, Marcus Morris to use recent Cs examples, Zach LaVine and Alex Len to use some non Cs examples. It's just frustrating when rather than the dialogue evolving with the bottom line on the court, people just retreat deeper into their fortresses.

Not exactly understanding. Of course If you said Smart won't get a 4 year deal worth 52 mil.. then yes, you were wrong.

[jinx8402]

What incentives? Come on now. You're being poisoned by all the geniuses who think shooting is the end all be all in the NBA. This is a good move for us. He contributes to winning.

I don’t disagree with you at all. Just curious if it’s a straight 4/52 or not. Incentives have become fairly common

No future orange hair.

Well, he already missed that incentive

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[Edug27]

There are 3 types of posters. The one who cheers on everything their team does... the one who has negative comments about everything their team does.. and the one who enjoys playing keyboard GM on a forum and gives their personal opinion on each move, whether they liked it or not.

Just because you didn’t like the Kawhi trade doesn’t mean you think you know more than Pop or RC. Just because you disliked Brads lineup to end the game doesn’t mean you think you know more about baskeball sets than he does. You’re allowed to question people smarter than you. Otherwise this forum would just be.. well.. it would be like watching Nick Wright talk about Lebron.

Or maybe I need a nap and I’m off base here. Idk. I did just eat chipotle for lunch and that always makes me sleepy.

I don't even know what's going on here anymore. It's almost like you're telling me to take a nap because I'm telling others to take a nap..so yeah maybe we should all take a nap. Idk. The only thing I know is..**** the Warriors!

I actually really like the Dubs. Lol. #DubNation

... But thats neither here nor there...

[SichtingLives]

I think KAT is more likley to move then AD, I don't think he is as good, but he is an upgrade for us at C as who knows how much longer Al will be able to maintain his level of play.

I love KAT's offense, he won me a fantasy championship last year and thats with Minny underutilizing his skillset on that end. But his feet are slow af on defense and think he would have major problems switching with a defense like ours and get exposed in a series no different than a team would attack a weak guard.

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The only thing I know is..**** the Warriors!

A sentiment we can all enjoy.

[VeryMuchWoke]

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Marcus Smart:
2018-19 -- Contract details by year -- $11,607,143 -- Age 24
2019-20 -- Contract details by year -- $12,535,714 -- Age 25
2020-21 -- Contract details by year -- $13,464,286 -- Age 26
2021-22 -- Contract details by year -- $14,392,857 -- Age 27

As a declining Deal (assuming 7.5% decline in year one):

2018-19 --- 14,647,900 --- 102M Cap -- 14.36% of cap -- 8.64M MLE -- 1.695 * MLE
2019-20 --- 13,549,300 --- 109M Cap -- 12.43% of cap -- 9.25M MLE -- 1.465 * MLE
2020-21 --- 12,450,700 --- 116M Cap -- 10.73% of cap -- 9.84M MLE -- 1.265 * MLE
2021-22 --- 11,352,100 --- 121.8M Cap -- 9.32% of cap -- 10.3M MLE -- 1.098 * MLE

I just saw that it's increasing, with a 8% raise from Year 1 to 2:

2018-19 --- 11.6M --- 102M Cap -- 11.38% of cap -- 8.64M MLE -- 1.34 * MLE
2019-20 --- 12.5M --- 109M Cap -- 11.5% of cap -- 9.25M MLE -- 1.36 * MLE
2020-21 --- 13.5M --- 116M Cap -- 11.6% of cap -- 9.84M MLE -- 1.37 * MLE
2021-22 --- 14.4M --- 121.8M Cap -- 11.8% of cap -- 10.3M MLE -- 1.39 * MLE

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I think we were going to trade Morris before the season started regardless of the Smart deal— the dude just doesnt stand to get the minutes hes going to demand next season and I dont see him being a happy camper about it with his upcoming FA next season. Plus, Semi needs to get additional minutes as well to see if he can keep developing.

I see the declining deal as a way to take advantage of the situation with Morris while also increasing the future expected value of Smart as an asset. A 4/46 deal would start around 13M, leaving us ~4.5 north of the tax. Trading Morris leaves us under by less than a mil or so.

Makes sense in theory. Even if it hurts the team a bit, it might be good to do for future player relations plus young player development. However -- which teams can actually take Morris without sending salary back? Cap space is almost gone, and injury exceptions haven't started yet, so I think mainly we'd be talking about TPEs.

[SichtingLives]

But the agendas can be frustrating at times.

That is an understatement my man. It's the biggest problem with constructive discourse in this country as a whole and what sucks is that it puts the most reasonable folks in a position where they have to PiCk A sIDe instead of simply staying logical because of course this is a place where there are precisely and only 2 sides to every argument. WELL ARE YA A DUMOCRAT OR REPUBLITARD DUURRRRR yes this is why I tune out.

Sorry. Carry on.

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I can't help thinking about Happy Loman every time I think about this guy. .

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