Chris Brickley on Working with Frank and Kanter

Post #121 » by **GONYK** » Tue Aug 7, 2018 10:55 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
GONYK wrote:Greg Monroe just signed a 1 yr deal for $2.2M. That is what Kanter is worth.

That's extremely overly harsh. Nez is better than that bum.

Maybe twice as good. So I'll give him $4M.

Sark · Post #122 » by **Sark** » Tue Aug 7, 2018 11:04 pm

GONYK wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
GONYK wrote:Greg Monroe just signed a 1 yr deal for $2.2M. That is what Kanter is worth.

That's extremely overly harsh. Nez is better than that bum.

Maybe twice as good. So I'll give him $4M.

The market for bigs is completely suppressed right now. Cousins only got a $5m deal in this market.

Post #123 » by **Thugger HBC** » Tue Aug 7, 2018 11:35 pm

Sark wrote:
GONYK wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
That's extremely overly harsh. Nez is better than that bum.

Maybe twice as good. So I'll give him $4M.

The market for bigs is completely suppressed right now. Cousins only got a $5m deal in this market.

And Deandre got 24 mil. A healthy Cousins gets a max deal.

Post #124 » by **dakomish23** » Wed Aug 8, 2018 12:18 am

Sark wrote:
GONYK wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
That's extremely overly harsh. Nez is better than that bum.

Maybe twice as good. So I'll give him $4M.

The market for bigs is completely suppressed right now. Cousins only got a $5m deal in this market.

And he’s at least twice as good as Kanter, so 2.5?

QBoro KnicksFan · Post #125 » by **QBoro KnicksFan** » Wed Aug 8, 2018 12:36 am

Sark wrote:
GONYK wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
That's extremely overly harsh. Nez is better than that bum.

Maybe twice as good. So I'll give him $4M.

The market for bigs is completely suppressed right now. Cousins only got a $5m deal in this market.

To be fair he is coming off the most devastating injury there is in basketball, a ruptured achilles.

And if reports are to be believed, the Pels offered Boogie a deal (I believe a 1 +1 at 20 mill per) and he turned it down b/c he felt insulted the Pels didn't offer him a longer deal

Moneywise, at least in the short term, I think he played himself but perhaps long term might be good for his career, Warriors got a hell of good training and medical staff

KnicksGadfly · Post #126 » by **KnicksGadfly** » Wed Aug 8, 2018 1:58 am

Nazrmohamed wrote:
knicksh20b wrote:If Kanter can't stay on the floor in crunch time, he shouldn't be paid starter money

I agree to the effect that he shouldn't be paid starter money regardless but we did lose all those games. It's not like we benched him and then all of a sudden we were in contention. I never got that either when Jeff would do it but hey, I wanted to tank anyway. Often times I'd watch Kanter beasting all game and that's not to say we were going to secure a win either, but we'd be in the mix for a win and then seemingly outta nowhere it's like Hornicek looks at his watch and said "time to bench Kanter" regardless of how he was playing all game.

So what I'm saying is I don't believe Kanter was benched because he gave us a worse chance of winning, he was benched cause he gave us a good chance of winning....or at least a decent chance. I think the whole thing of we're doing it for defense was bull. And yeah I get he isn't a good defender but he's always a bad defender. Why in that moment consistently do it?

Again, Idc. I just wouldn't take too many lessons from whatever we did in the second half of the year outside of maybe development

I think the biggest issue with your statement has to do with the fact that you think we're basing this off last season. This has happened many times before, on the biggest stage. In the playoffs, Kanter's coach famously said on live tv, "Can't play Kanter." The proof is there. Kanter will never get minutes at the end of the game, for a good team, in big moments. It's too easy to get him on a switch, easy to get past an initial defender and score on him.

The other issue is this: Hornacek didn't tank. I think it's wrong to bring up arguments like that, without supporting proof. Hornacek didn't tank, didn't want to tank, and coached like he didn't tank. While the Bulls were resting their guys, we were trotting out our lineup against them. He clearly didn't bench Burke, Lee or all the other guys. The FO (Perry) certainly did not give him that directive to tank, and Perry has never really shown a history of tanking. When you talk about Hornacek benching Kanter to tank, I think that's a false argument, without merit, and one that has to be created to justify Kanter's value (which is only relative to guys like KOQ or Noah or Willy or Kornet).

Kanter's peers are also very similar. Brook Lopez earned a crap ton of money and minutes. With the Bucks, low contract. Greg Monroe. 2 mill minimum. Jahlil Okafor...bye bye. The proof was basically in Kanter's decision not to opt out. There was no market for him. There won't be one last year either. They all have some sort of valuable skillset. Lopez is an offensive beast who can hit the three. Monroe has good rebounding, interior skills, passing. Okafor...lol, j/k. But all of these guys can't overcome their defensive limitations. They're coming off the bench, because when you're playing against Lebron, Curry, Harden or a true star, Kanter's limitations become indefensible. Against Orlando? Sure, hell yea, go get that 20-20 Kanter, but no one's impressed.

Kanter has his strengths: rebounding, leadership, scoring, passion. But until his defensive IQ rises significantly, he's only going to be starting for the bad teams and coming off the bench for the good ones. I'd rather just sign Monroe for 2 mill if he demands even 7 mill+

HarthorneWingo · Post #127 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Wed Aug 8, 2018 2:24 am

dakomish23 wrote:
Sark wrote:
GONYK wrote:

Maybe twice as good. So I'll give him $4M.

The market for bigs is completely suppressed right now. Cousins only got a $5m deal in this market.

And he’s at least twice as good as Kanter, so 2.5?

Fat Kat · Post #128 » by **Fat Kat** » Thu Aug 9, 2018 2:01 am

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Clyde_Style · Post #129 » by **Clyde_Style** » Thu Aug 9, 2018 2:09 am

Fat Kat wrote:

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Who is that jamming at the 46 second mark?

Fat Kat · Post #130 » by **Fat Kat** » Thu Aug 9, 2018 2:18 am

Clyde_Style wrote:
Fat Kat wrote:

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Who is that jamming at the 46 second mark?

Mudiay I think.

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Clyde_Style · Post #131 » by **Clyde_Style** » Thu Aug 9, 2018 2:20 am

Gee Whiz!

Frank is really skying there

Fat Kat · Post #132 » by **Fat Kat** » Thu Aug 9, 2018 3:41 am

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Fat Kat · Post #133 » by **Fat Kat** » Thu Aug 9, 2018 3:44 am

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Jay10 · Post #134 » by **Jay10** » Thu Aug 9, 2018 4:14 am

Fat Kat wrote:

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This sure looks like a Knicks reunion. :lol:

Cleanthony Early is the person that gets the pass from Frank when the video starts.

thebuzzardman · Post #135 » by **thebuzzardman** » Thu Aug 9, 2018 11:18 am

Would be nice to see a video of that Frank dunk.

AllanHoustonFan · Post #136 » by **AllanHoustonFan** » Thu Aug 9, 2018 11:41 am

Fat Kat wrote:

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Mudiay still shoots with that hitch :noway:

AllanHoustonFan · Post #137 » by **AllanHoustonFan** » Thu Aug 9, 2018 11:42 am

Jay10 wrote:
Fat Kat wrote:

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This sure looks like a Knicks reunion.

Cleanthony Early is the person that gets the pass from Frank when the video starts.

I think I see Da Gawd in red too

TheGreenArrow · Post #138 » by **TheGreenArrow** » Thu Aug 9, 2018 12:41 pm

Frank-mudiay-knox-mario-m.rob line-up is going to be soooo fun to watch.

Dr. Detfink · Post #139 » by **Dr. Detfink** » Thu Aug 9, 2018 1:59 pm

The funny part of Kan’t-er showing off his ranger is the fact, his 3-pointer has no arc. That shot will be blocked by a guard on a switch.

Watch as teams force Kanty to the corner and DARE him to shoot. Bricks to come!

Frank and Muddy Rivers can be something IF they learn to be physical. No layup rule 2!!!!!!

F N 11 · Post #140 » by **F N 11** » Thu Aug 9, 2018 2:29 pm

AllanHoustonFan wrote:
Jay10 wrote:
Fat Kat wrote:

Read on Twitter

This sure looks like a Knicks reunion.

Cleanthony Early is the person that gets the pass from Frank when the video starts.

I think I see Da Gawd in red too

Im 100% sure i saw Cle