Is Devin Booker a Franchise Player?

[T-d0t]

I would say no but I would have extended his contract just the same

[lilfishi22]

i went for hmmm no, because im not convinced yet. He got alot of hype for his 70pt game but hasnt really progressed since.

23 wins in 2016 24 in 2017 and 21 in 2018, you call that progress?? Franchise players bring wins not stats, and even those didnt really went up in 3 years.

41 in 2015, 33 in 2016, 42 in 2017, 44 in 2018

Giannis went from an improving young player with a ton of potential in 2015 and 2016, to a legit star in 2017 and to a transcendent superstar in 2018.

In that time, the Bucks who weren't tanking, have been trying to make the playoffs and make noise there has improved by 3 games from when Giannis was just a guy with potential to a transcendent superstar. They've also been booted out of the 1st round of the playoffs 3 times. 44 wins for a team with Giannis averaging 27/10/5 on .598TS%

Compare that to Booker, who was barely 19 when his rookie season began, and the Suns continued to tank as part of the rebuild through each of the 3 seasons Booker had played and we've won exactly as many games as we were expecting to win.

[koningcosmo]

23 wins in 2016 24 in 2017 and 21 in 2018, you call that progress?? Franchise players bring wins not stats, and even those didnt really went up in 3 years.

41 in 2015, 33 in 2016, 42 in 2017, 44 in 2018

Giannis went from an improving young player with a ton of potential in 2015 and 2016, to a legit star in 2017 and to a transcendent superstar in 2018.

In that time, the Bucks who weren't tanking, have been trying to make the playoffs and make noise there has improved by 3 games from when Giannis was just a guy with potential to a transcendent superstar. They've also been booted out of the 1st round of the playoffs 3 times. 44 wins for a team with Giannis averaging 27/10/5 on .598TS%

Compare that to Booker, who was barely 19 when his rookie season began, and the Suns continued to tank as part of the rebuild through each of the 3 seasons Booker had played and we've won exactly as many games as we were expecting to win.

we not talking about the bucks and their health issues, Middleton and Parker were down all the time so it was just giannis. Plus you really want to compare giannis to booker? Booker will never make the same progress as Giannis because his was all about physical strength. Booker has to fine tune his game and get the best shooting % possible. Thats way harder then just gaining muscle and overpowering people with confidence and strength alone. When Giannis is also going to work on his shot, wich he probally is, he will be out of this world. So even

[lilfishi22]

23 wins in 2016 24 in 2017 and 21 in 2018, you call that progress?? Franchise players bring wins not stats, and even those didnt really went up in 3 years.

41 in 2015, 33 in 2016, 42 in 2017, 44 in 2018

Giannis went from an improving young player with a ton of potential in 2015 and 2016, to a legit star in 2017 and to a transcendent superstar in 2018.

In that time, the Bucks who weren't tanking, have been trying to make the playoffs and make noise there has improved by 3 games from when Giannis was just a guy with potential to a transcendent superstar. They've also been booted out of the 1st round of the playoffs 3 times. 44 wins for a team with Giannis averaging 27/10/5 on .598TS%

Compare that to Booker, who was barely 19 when his rookie season began, and the Suns continued to tank as part of the rebuild through each of the 3 seasons Booker had played and we've won exactly as many games as we were expecting to win.

we not talking about the bucks and their health issues, Middleton and Parker were down all the time so it was just giannis. Plus you really want to compare giannis to booker? Booker will never make the same progress as Giannis because his was all about physical strength. Booker has to fine tune his game and get the best shooting % possible. Thats way harder then just gaining muscle and overpowering people with confidence and strength alone. When Giannis is also going to work on his shot, wich he probally is, he will be out of this world. So even

Let me stop you right here. So you're saying, one player cannot do it all by themselves? Were Middleton and Parker's injury replacement much worse than the starters the Suns trotted out?

[koningcosmo]

41 in 2015, 33 in 2016, 42 in 2017, 44 in 2018

Giannis went from an improving young player with a ton of potential in 2015 and 2016, to a legit star in 2017 and to a transcendent superstar in 2018.

In that time, the Bucks who weren't tanking, have been trying to make the playoffs and make noise there has improved by 3 games from when Giannis was just a guy with potential to a transcendent superstar. They've also been booted out of the 1st round of the playoffs 3 times. 44 wins for a team with Giannis averaging 27/10/5 on .598TS%

Compare that to Booker, who was barely 19 when his rookie season began, and the Suns continued to tank as part of the rebuild through each of the 3 seasons Booker had played and we've won exactly as many games as we were expecting to win.

we not talking about the bucks and their health issues, Middleton and Parker were down all the time so it was just giannis. Plus you really want to compare giannis to booker? Booker will never make the same progress as Giannis because his was all about physical strength. Booker has to fine tune his game and get the best shooting % possible. Thats way harder then just gaining muscle and overpowering people with confidence and strength alone. When Giannis is also going to work on his shot, wich he probally is, he will be out of this world. So even

Let me stop you right here. So you're saying, one player cannot do it all by themselves? Were Middleton and Parker's injury replacement much worse than the starters the Suns trotted out?

We are getting a bit of topic, all i wanted to say in my original post was, that he hasnt really developed from our point of view, which isnt the point of view of a suns fan. Yeah his stats went up a bit but so does his usage, FGA and TO. So unless the suns stop tanking and we actually see what he can do we havent seen uptill now what he can do. Except chuck for losses which is the game plan. Remember people though MCW was good, well like barkley said he was a looter in an riot. I hope for suns fans and the NBA itself he will be an all star and franchise player. Its just hard to imagine that when they won less games in 3years then the 73-9 GSW team.

[7thshield]

Nope. He doesn’t play defense.

Kobe, Lebron, TMac, etc. at Booker’s age were all plus defenders.

Don't think it's necessary for a player to play good defense to be considered as a franchise player.

Harden plays no defense.

Devin Booker shows no signs of providing the offensive lift that a guy like Harden gives you. Not really fair to compare the two.

Bro. He's 22. 70 points. No signs? Are you sick?

[Funcrusher]

Don't think it's necessary for a player to play good defense to be considered as a franchise player.

Harden plays no defense.

Devin Booker shows no signs of providing the offensive lift that a guy like Harden gives you. Not really fair to compare the two.

Bro. He's 22. 70 points. No signs? Are you sick?

We get it, you're a suns fan. You don't like it when someone doesn't think highly of your star players. But mind actually providing a thoughtful post that refutes my point with evidence, besides, "HURR DURR HE'S ONLY 22, HURR DURR 70 points!" To this point he's a volume scorer on league average efficiency who's also not a very good playmaker. That's showing signs of Harden like offensive imapct?

[7thshield]

Devin Booker shows no signs of providing the offensive lift that a guy like Harden gives you. Not really fair to compare the two.

Bro. He's 22. 70 points. No signs? Are you sick?

We get it, you're a suns fan. You don't like it when someone doesn't think highly of your star players. But mind actually providing a thoughtful post that refutes my point with evidence, besides, "HURR DURR HE'S ONLY 22, HURR DURR 70 points!" To this point he's a volume scorer on league average efficiency who's also not a very good playmaker. That's showing signs of Harden like offensive imapct?

You're triggered. Wow.

[Funcrusher]

Bro. He's 22. 70 points. No signs? Are you sick?

We get it, you're a suns fan. You don't like it when someone doesn't think highly of your star players. But mind actually providing a thoughtful post that refutes my point with evidence, besides, "HURR DURR HE'S ONLY 22, HURR DURR 70 points!" To this point he's a volume scorer on league average efficiency who's also not a very good playmaker. That's showing signs of Harden like offensive imapct?

You're triggered. Wow.

[Sark]

i went for hmmm no, because im not convinced yet. He got alot of hype for his 70pt game but hasnt really progressed since.

Did his team even win that game???? This is not at you but others who think he is a winning franchise player.

Win the game? They weren't within double digits at any point after the opening tip. It was basically about 44 minutes of garbage time basketball, and they decided to force feed Booker to get his points.

[pac213up]

Elite scorer but does not do anything else above average to help his team so I would lean towards a no.

[Foye]

I consider him a rich man's Kevin Martin.

I guess in terms of whether he is a franchise player...this is a clear no for me.

[Chuck Everett]

I think it's too soon to determine the answer to this question. Booker has gone through some rough waters in terms of being coached well, as Jeff Hornacek has bombed wherever he's gone, and Earl Watson was overmatched from the day he took over for Hornacek. Not to mention the turmoil the team went through last season after Watson was fired and Bledsoe was traded. Igor Kokoskov at least offers a pedigree that is bankable, as his recent successes of coaching the Slovenian national team and the Jazz last season are reason to believe that Booker's arrow can be pointing straight up. Coaching does matter in the NBA when young players are still developing, and Booker is no exception to this rule. In one year's time, we'll know the answer to this question, and I think he will be consdered one by then.

I will give you the Slovenian national team, but you can't use coaching the Jazz as that's Quin Snyder's imprint all the way. Hornacek was a Jazz assistant as well before. Koskoskov is totally unproven in the NBA. We will see if he can thrive as a coach. Phoenix is an enigma of youth and talent.

[rugbyrugger23]

Well the question is vague and the answer is two fold.

Yes, he is a franchise player. From the standpoint Suns paid him as franchise player, deemed him their franchise player, and are conducting basketball operations as Booker serving as their franchise player. So to answer the questions "is Booker a franchise player?" The answer is: yes (and not debatable).

If the real point of the OP is to debate the validity of Booker being paid franchise money, why are Suns deeming him their franchise player, and why is Suns organization conducting business operations as Booker serving as their franchise player? That is a different set of questions.

What is a franchise player? Can that be defined? What are parameters for determining a true franchise player? How many franchise players does the NBA have? Can that be quantified?

If it can be defined, does a franchise player go through ebb and flows throughout their career being deemed franchise player? If they do, does that preclude them from being a true franchise player?

Debating the franchise player title to me is like debating the Hall of Fame player. Yes, once one is voted in, they are HOFer. But it can always be debated are they truly a HOFer? Are they deserving or as deserving as other(s) in HOF? The process of determining who is HOFer is it skewed?

[XxIronChainzxX]

What is a franchise player? Can that be defined? What are parameters for determining a true franchise player? How many franchise players does the NBA have? Can that be quantified?

I think in the NBA this is simply a superstar/MVP candidate level player.

[Ballerhogger]

Put 3 and D wing and a good center and you have decent team , like they are trying to do right now. You have decent franchise player

[NBAFan93]

23 wins in 2016 24 in 2017 and 21 in 2018, you call that progress?? Franchise players bring wins not stats, and even those didnt really went up in 3 years.

41 in 2015, 33 in 2016, 42 in 2017, 44 in 2018

Giannis went from an improving young player with a ton of potential in 2015 and 2016, to a legit star in 2017 and to a transcendent superstar in 2018.

In that time, the Bucks who weren't tanking, have been trying to make the playoffs and make noise there has improved by 3 games from when Giannis was just a guy with potential to a transcendent superstar. They've also been booted out of the 1st round of the playoffs 3 times. 44 wins for a team with Giannis averaging 27/10/5 on .598TS%

Compare that to Booker, who was barely 19 when his rookie season began, and the Suns continued to tank as part of the rebuild through each of the 3 seasons Booker had played and we've won exactly as many games as we were expecting to win.

IMO Booker doesn’t get a pass for stat padding on a losing team just cause the team was trying to lose. I agree the Bucks need more team success for Giannas to be a true top player, but at least he got his teams to the playoffs. I remember looking up the Suns win percentage in just the games Booker has played and it was really, really low.

[Stillwater]

not on a contender

[metalinguss]

I voted Hell No but realize it's way too harsh. I vote Mmmm, No instead.

[TheWhiteMamba]

Is he? Hell no
Will he become? Maybe