CoP wrote:iggymcfrack wrote:If you prefer Draymond over KD, then that means you are relying heavily on lineup data.
If you rely that much on lineup data, then you would prefer Jrue Holiday over Anthony Davis and Robert Covington over Joel Embiid.
Again, impeccable logic.
How does that follow at all? Has Jrue Holiday had a better RPM than Anthony Davis 4 years in a row? No, Anthony Davis was 7th last year and Jrue Holiday was 26th. Also, I don’t think it ridiculous at all to have Covington over Klay. Covington’s a massive impact defender while Klay’s just a good above average defender. Who’s to say whether that makes up for the shooting difference or not? I’d have them in the same tier.
Which is the same thing I said with KD and Dray. That they’re in the same tier and reasonable people could disagree which one is better. Personally I have KD as the 6th or 7th best player in the league and Dray as the 10th or 11th so I still have KD a little better, but I’m not confident in that position. Klay and Covington I’d both have in the 26-35 range. I was just saying that Dray’s much closer to KD than he is to Klay which is absolutely correct.
RPM Isn't Everything, Says Guy Who Cites RPM In Every Discussion
Put Dray on Cleveland and/or Utah last year and his RPM would plummet. Not as much as Jae Crowder's did (from 20th in 2016 to 388th last season), but it would plummet nonetheless.
Bonbon cited lineup data. Jrue's On/Off was better than Davis' last year. Dray isn't better than KD, and any argument for him over KD is ridiculous to me.
Had better raw on/off numbers while playing along 2 all-NBA caliber centers is way different than having a better RPM 4 years in a row while playing with and without the player you’re comparing yourself to. Also, I don’t think anyone actually said Dray was better than KD, just that it was close.
Put Dray on Utah and his RPM would plummet, sure, because he’d be next to a non-shooting rim protecting big man who’s the one player in the league who fulfills that role as well as he does defensively. Put him on Cleveland and it might suffer due to him being unmotivated on such a garbage team. But in general, I think his stats would hold up a lot better than people think going to worse teams.
He was generally having better impact stats before KD came to town and it was based largely on how good the team was when Steph was on the bench and Dray was the primary creator for the offense. Put him on Charlotte or Minnesota or the Clippers or the Heat and I think you’d see those teams get
a lot better in a hurry while Dray’s impact stats would stay mostly the same. The Warriors would have a big hole and they’d have to rely on Cousins making a big impact if they were gonna still be better than Houston and Toronto.
