Butler has requested a trade (Part II)

[AirP.]

I hope all 29 teams drop out and we just keep him. Who the hell does Woj think he is to say the Wolves are asking for too much for a top ten player in the league?

No, he's not saying that, he's reporting other teams are saying it's too steep. This is one of the reasons Woj gets information, he's a way to leak what teams want leaked. I'm sure there's an understanding that Minnesota won't get fair compensation for Butler, so how much they do get is highly subjective.

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[AirP.]

My guess, this may be the final stand of Thibs. He was hired as a coach and POBO but the owner is not letting him do the job he was hired to do and/or possibly told he could do given that title. Either Taylor needs to hire a puppet FO where he just uses them for info and he makes all the decisions or Taylor hires people and lets them do their job with little to not input from him. Good lord, they started going around the FO going straight to Taylor almost instantly, they have a good idea they can manipulate him to take a lesser package.

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[walk with me]

Miami supposedly aggressively pursuing Butler is trying to get him for two negative contracts. Normally you have to send draft picks along with Whiteside and Waiters for a team to take them off your hands.

I imagine miami would be ok with sending a pick with that package, especially knowing Riley’s history of trading picks. What i assume is happening is were trying to dump gorgui on the heat and they don’t want that.

Has anyone even considered that a person who's been in the NBA for 30+ years might have an idea what type of return he can expect? Although he's not been in the FO for that long, he's been in that pipeline so he's heard a ton of offers.

Right now, with a stronger bench, more defensive players and hopefully some growth from the younger players, this team who underachieved because of injuries and lack of effort may just be on the cusp of being a top team for the next half decade with Butler on the roster. Last year's team had the ability to win in the mid 50s to mid 50s.

Your second paragraph is exactly why thibs tried to convince jimmy to stay.

Best case scenario w/jimmy staying
- wolves secure 3rd place
- wolves make it to second round of the playoffs
- Kat and Wiggins get more playoff exp
- thibs save face proving he can succeed in the “new era” even though not being a fan or owner favorite
- thibs proves he can GM and the retread bulls weren’t a bad idea
- fans win by having a winning season

There are wins all around. Only loser is jimmy because he won’t get the full max from glen and by not being traded he loses out on that extra 30 or so M. Hell, maybe if we get into the second round and shock a team like lakers or okc maybe glen will go deep into his pockets to make jimmy happy. Unlikely but not impossible.

So far as I know we haven't had an offer that makes us better than just leaving Butler at home collecting a paycheck.

Butler can’t sit at home unless medically forced to do so. If we reject his trade commands he has to play, otherwise he’ll get fined. If it gets as high as the league intervening. 3rd party doctors will make the decision.


All in all It was easy to see the market wasn’t really there for jimmy. Lot of variables but between JBs announcement timing, his health, the money he’s looking for, thibs job status, glens decision making, the status of the other 29 teams. It’s hard to see anyone giving up anything more than a bunch of crap to get jimmy. I think fans will be pleasantly surprised if he stays.

[Loyal[]Wolf]

As Thibs said during media day, Jimmy just needs a week of conditioning and he'll be back. Whether that's Saturday, or something like Monday or Tuesday we'll see.

[mplsfonz23]

So far as I know we haven't had an offer that makes us better than just leaving Butler at home collecting a paycheck.

That is what Thibs said. No one knows the truth

The only reported offer is Whiteside and Waiters. It would certainly be better to leave Jimmy at home collecting a paycheck than to accept that.

Has anyone seen Waiters? He's so far out of shape, and Whiteside isn't good to me.

[KGdaBom]

I hope all 29 teams drop out and we just keep him. Who the hell does Woj think he is to say the Wolves are asking for too much for a top ten player in the league?

No, he's not saying that, he's reporting other teams are saying it's too steep. This is one of the reasons Woj gets information, he's a way to leak what teams want leaked. I'm sure there's an understanding that Minnesota won't get fair compensation for Butler, so how much they do get is highly subjective.

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What I replied to says Woj says the wolves are asking for too much. The idea probably didn't originate from him but he was endorsing it. Otherwise that was very poorly written.

[GopherIt!]

riley would have to give multiple picks just to dump those guys.

[mplsfonz23]

Here's a thought...If Miami thinks the price is too high, screw them and open talks with other teams.
See if NYC is willing to put Knox up and a pick. Or something like that from another team. If Miami looks as if they have any leverage they would be proven wrong

At this point, I don't even want him here.

[KGdaBom]

Miami supposedly aggressively pursuing Butler is trying to get him for two negative contracts. Normally you have to send draft picks along with Whiteside and Waiters for a team to take them off your hands.

I imagine miami would be ok with sending a pick with that package, especially knowing Riley’s history of trading picks. What i assume is happening is were trying to dump gorgui on the heat and they don’t want that.

Has anyone even considered that a person who's been in the NBA for 30+ years might have an idea what type of return he can expect? Although he's not been in the FO for that long, he's been in that pipeline so he's heard a ton of offers.

Right now, with a stronger bench, more defensive players and hopefully some growth from the younger players, this team who underachieved because of injuries and lack of effort may just be on the cusp of being a top team for the next half decade with Butler on the roster. Last year's team had the ability to win in the mid 50s to mid 50s.

Your second paragraph is exactly why thibs tried to convince jimmy to stay.

Best case scenario w/jimmy staying
- wolves secure 3rd place
- wolves make it to second round of the playoffs
- Kat and Wiggins get more playoff exp
- thibs save face proving he can succeed in the “new era” even though not being a fan or owner favorite
- thibs proves he can GM and the retread bulls weren’t a bad idea
- fans win by having a winning season

There are wins all around. Only loser is jimmy because he won’t get the full max from glen and by not being traded he loses out on that extra 30 or so M. Hell, maybe if we get into the second round and shock a team like lakers or okc maybe glen will go deep into his pockets to make jimmy happy. Unlikely but not impossible.

So far as I know we haven't had an offer that makes us better than just leaving Butler at home collecting a paycheck.

Butler can’t sit at home unless medically forced to do so. If we reject his trade commands he has to play, otherwise he’ll get fined. If it gets as high as the league intervening. 3rd party doctors will make the decision.


All in all It was easy to see the market wasn’t really there for jimmy. Lot of variables but between JBs announcement timing, his health, the money he’s looking for, thibs job status, glens decision making, the status of the other 29 teams. It’s hard to see anyone giving up anything more than a bunch of crap to get jimmy. I think fans will be pleasantly surprised if he stays.

Yes the Heat would include a pick. With that package I don't give a rat's ass about a pick.
Butler can sit at home of the team tells him to.

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[mplsfonz23]

Hope this doesn't double post....

But in short, just because JB said his "preferred" destination is Miami, doesn't mean Miami has any leverage. Rather than take Waiters and Whiteside, I would open up to all team letting them know you can have him for one year, and take the best offer and ship his ass out. Nobody wants to come here anyway, so what do we care if FA's stay away from us.

Jimmy caused this situation, screw him and Miami together. Then JB is still out of his Bird rights money.

[twix2500]

Here's a thought...If Miami thinks the price is too high, screw them and open talks with other teams.
See if NYC is willing to put Knox up and a pick. Or something like that from another team. If Miami looks as if they have any leverage they would be proven wrong

At this point, I don't even want him here.

Talks been wide open for 8 days. Miami is the only team biting.

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[shrink]

Here's a thought...If Miami thinks the price is too high, screw them and open talks with other teams.
See if NYC is willing to put Knox up and a pick. Or something like that from another team. If Miami looks as if they have any leverage they would be proven wrong

At this point, I don't even want him here.

Talks been wide open for 8 days. Miami is the only team biting.

No. It has been reported that 8-10 team have made offers.

Now, the quality of those offers ...!

[twix2500]

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[mplsfonz23]

Here's a thought...If Miami thinks the price is too high, screw them and open talks with other teams.
See if NYC is willing to put Knox up and a pick. Or something like that from another team. If Miami looks as if they have any leverage they would be proven wrong

At this point, I don't even want him here.

Talks been wide open for 8 days. Miami is the only team biting.

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Well they cant afford to take that garbage. Play the year out with JB. Cheaper than taking on two players we don't need.
And Waiters is going O Miller on Miami. What the hell has he been doing this summer besides eating?

[shrink]

If both Josh Richardson and Bam aren’t in the deal, MIN should just move on.

After that, you have players that are closer to neutral than positive, like Winslow (with a G-league offensive game so far), and maybe Dragic? (Age 32, $18/$19, or Olynyk ($11.1, $11.6, $12.1 P.O. - who's hard to classify). A pick would be around #23, so not great value.

Whiteside would be a disaster. MIN didn't just sign KAT to a max extension to tell him that they were going to move him from his favorite position. KAT has never missed a game in his career, and we all know how Whiteside acts when he doesn't get his playing time. Riley has historically been free to include picks, but these likely would be in the 20’s.

[Neeva]

Wolves will just keep him then, your dumbass team aint dumping waiters and whitesides on the wolves and your team can’t sign Jimmy or anyone of significance next summer , thanks for stopping by!

Here's a thought...If Miami thinks the price is too high, screw them and open talks with other teams.
See if NYC is willing to put Knox up and a pick. Or something like that from another team. If Miami looks as if they have any leverage they would be proven wrong

At this point, I don't even want him here.

Talks been wide open for 8 days. Miami is the only team biting.

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[walk with me]

Yes the Heat would include a pick. With that package I don't give a rat's ass about a pick.
Butler can sit at home of the team tells him to.

Or we could force him to play and we could lock up 3rd place

I would open up to all team letting them know you can have him for one year, and take the best offer and ship his ass out.

That’s why the team has no leverage. No team is wasting their own positive assets without a long term commitment from jimmy and we’re not going to take a teams negative assets just to spite jimmy. This explains the poor market...

Heat love big stars but even they’re reluctant to release their young talent.

[shrink]

Jimmy’s willingness to flip from his three team list to resign with a brand new team, within three days, shows he is not locked in on any specific city. I think this sudden flip to MIA may show he’s not just a rental.

If MIA can flip him in three days wouldn’t many GM’s believe they could convince him to re-sign if they had a whole season?

Kawhi and Paul George got decent offers, when they were far more locked in on a specific team.

[mplsfonz23]

Jimmy’s willingness to flip from his three team list to resign with a brand new team, within three days, shows he is not locked in on any specific city. I think this sudden flip to MIA may show he’s not just a rental.

If MIA can flip him in three days wouldn’t many GM’s believe they could convince him to re-sign if they had a whole season?

Kawhi and Paul George got decent offers, when they were far more locked in on a specific team.

Jimmy needs to help Thibs out here, because if he doesn't, and he stays here or goes to a team he doesn't want to be with, he stands to lose ALOT of money. Play ball JB or you lose millions.