Gordon Hayward Thread

[brackdan70]

I am from Indy and a Butler fan so when Hayward was drafted by the Jazz I became a Jazz Fan,

I literally have watch EVERY Jazz game Hayward played thanks to NBA LP.

Few things are consistent.

1. Hayward looks checked out though he is not
2. Not a huge emotional guy.
3. Even when Healthy ALWAYS starts the season slow and literally ramps up month over month.
4. Very unselfish, at times too unselfish IMO but I think that is why guys like playing with him.
5. Next thing you know his stats are awesome and you didn't even notice it.


Now the Celtics are WAAAAY more talented than the Jazz so it will be interesting to see if Hayward lets others take theirs over his.
I must confess I do not know how teams decide who should take more shots, I assume they plan it out to an extent...

Hayward got paid, he will not be as concerned this year on his stats as I am sure others were.


He said recently he still doesn't have the liftoff off his left foot. That tells me he is 80% give or take.

It took Paul George almost 1 whole bad season to get beck to form. I honestly do not know what to expect from Hayward this year.

I just hope by the 2nd half of the season he is close to his old form.


Stinks for the Celtics.

Year1 - out injury
Year2 - getting back to form hopefully be the end of the year
Year3 - after this hopefully fully healthy season he can opt out ...(Maybe I am hopeful, but I hope he opts out , resigns with the Celtics at a Discount to keep the stars together.... Time will tell

Thanks but I am pretty sure we have all done our research over here.

[yazfan]

I am from Indy and a Butler fan so when Hayward was drafted by the Jazz I became a Jazz Fan,

I literally have watch EVERY Jazz game Hayward played thanks to NBA LP.

Few things are consistent.

1. Hayward looks checked out though he is not
2. Not a huge emotional guy.
3. Even when Healthy ALWAYS starts the season slow and literally ramps up month over month.
4. Very unselfish, at times too unselfish IMO but I think that is why guys like playing with him.
5. Next thing you know his stats are awesome and you didn't even notice it.


Now the Celtics are WAAAAY more talented than the Jazz so it will be interesting to see if Hayward lets others take theirs over his.
I must confess I do not know how teams decide who should take more shots, I assume they plan it out to an extent...

Hayward got paid, he will not be as concerned this year on his stats as I am sure others were.


He said recently he still doesn't have the liftoff off his left foot. That tells me he is 80% give or take.

It took Paul George almost 1 whole bad season to get beck to form. I honestly do not know what to expect from Hayward this year.

I just hope by the 2nd half of the season he is close to his old form.


Stinks for the Celtics.

Year1 - out injury
Year2 - getting back to form hopefully be the end of the year
Year3 - after this hopefully fully healthy season he can opt out ...(Maybe I am hopeful, but I hope he opts out , resigns with the Celtics at a Discount to keep the stars together.... Time will tell

So are you a Celtics fan now?

Yes. Celtics fan since Larry Bird.

Red Sox fan since Yaz....

[yazfan]

I am from Indy and a Butler fan so when Hayward was drafted by the Jazz I became a Jazz Fan,

I literally have watch EVERY Jazz game Hayward played thanks to NBA LP.

Few things are consistent.

1. Hayward looks checked out though he is not
2. Not a huge emotional guy.
3. Even when Healthy ALWAYS starts the season slow and literally ramps up month over month.
4. Very unselfish, at times too unselfish IMO but I think that is why guys like playing with him.
5. Next thing you know his stats are awesome and you didn't even notice it.


Now the Celtics are WAAAAY more talented than the Jazz so it will be interesting to see if Hayward lets others take theirs over his.
I must confess I do not know how teams decide who should take more shots, I assume they plan it out to an extent...

Hayward got paid, he will not be as concerned this year on his stats as I am sure others were.


He said recently he still doesn't have the liftoff off his left foot. That tells me he is 80% give or take.

It took Paul George almost 1 whole bad season to get beck to form. I honestly do not know what to expect from Hayward this year.

I just hope by the 2nd half of the season he is close to his old form.


Stinks for the Celtics.

Year1 - out injury
Year2 - getting back to form hopefully be the end of the year
Year3 - after this hopefully fully healthy season he can opt out ...(Maybe I am hopeful, but I hope he opts out , resigns with the Celtics at a Discount to keep the stars together.... Time will tell

Thanks but I am pretty sure we have all done our research over here.

Wow , tough crowd. Just trying to help as one would think watching every minute of over 560 NBA games he has played gives better perspective than after the fact research. I won't bore you with perspective since you obviously do not need it.

[FakeScreenName123]

I am from Indy and a Butler fan so when Hayward was drafted by the Jazz I became a Jazz Fan,

I literally have watch EVERY Jazz game Hayward played thanks to NBA LP.

Few things are consistent.

1. Hayward looks checked out though he is not
2. Not a huge emotional guy.
3. Even when Healthy ALWAYS starts the season slow and literally ramps up month over month.
4. Very unselfish, at times too unselfish IMO but I think that is why guys like playing with him.
5. Next thing you know his stats are awesome and you didn't even notice it.


Now the Celtics are WAAAAY more talented than the Jazz so it will be interesting to see if Hayward lets others take theirs over his.
I must confess I do not know how teams decide who should take more shots, I assume they plan it out to an extent...

Hayward got paid, he will not be as concerned this year on his stats as I am sure others were.


He said recently he still doesn't have the liftoff off his left foot. That tells me he is 80% give or take.

It took Paul George almost 1 whole bad season to get beck to form. I honestly do not know what to expect from Hayward this year.

I just hope by the 2nd half of the season he is close to his old form.


Stinks for the Celtics.

Year1 - out injury
Year2 - getting back to form hopefully be the end of the year
Year3 - after this hopefully fully healthy season he can opt out ...(Maybe I am hopeful, but I hope he opts out , resigns with the Celtics at a Discount to keep the stars together.... Time will tell

Thanks but I am pretty sure we have all done our research over here.

Wow , tough crowd. Just trying to help as one would think watching every minute of over 560 NBA games he has played gives better perspective than after the fact research. I won't bore you with perspective since you obviously do not need it.

No way, man. I liked yer post and I welcome people talking about basketball because I like basketball.

Keep posting.

[brackdan70]

I am from Indy and a Butler fan so when Hayward was drafted by the Jazz I became a Jazz Fan,

I literally have watch EVERY Jazz game Hayward played thanks to NBA LP.

Few things are consistent.

1. Hayward looks checked out though he is not
2. Not a huge emotional guy.
3. Even when Healthy ALWAYS starts the season slow and literally ramps up month over month.
4. Very unselfish, at times too unselfish IMO but I think that is why guys like playing with him.
5. Next thing you know his stats are awesome and you didn't even notice it.


Now the Celtics are WAAAAY more talented than the Jazz so it will be interesting to see if Hayward lets others take theirs over his.
I must confess I do not know how teams decide who should take more shots, I assume they plan it out to an extent...

Hayward got paid, he will not be as concerned this year on his stats as I am sure others were.


He said recently he still doesn't have the liftoff off his left foot. That tells me he is 80% give or take.

It took Paul George almost 1 whole bad season to get beck to form. I honestly do not know what to expect from Hayward this year.

I just hope by the 2nd half of the season he is close to his old form.


Stinks for the Celtics.

Year1 - out injury
Year2 - getting back to form hopefully be the end of the year
Year3 - after this hopefully fully healthy season he can opt out ...(Maybe I am hopeful, but I hope he opts out , resigns with the Celtics at a Discount to keep the stars together.... Time will tell

Thanks but I am pretty sure we have all done our research over here.

Wow , tough crowd. Just trying to help as one would think watching every minute of over 560 NBA games he has played gives better perspective than after the fact research. I won't bore you with perspective since you obviously do not need it.

Sorry for the snark. Certainly appreciate your posting here but all that was somewhat common knowledge I thought. Sorry. Keep posting and I appreciate fresh insights.

[Iguodaladon]

Thanks but I am pretty sure we have all done our research over here.

Wow , tough crowd. Just trying to help as one would think watching every minute of over 560 NBA games he has played gives better perspective than after the fact research. I won't bore you with perspective since you obviously do not need it.

Sorry for the snark. Certainly appreciate your posting here but all that was somewhat common knowledge I thought. Sorry. Keep posting and I appreciate fresh insights.

That just sounded even more sarcastic

[brackdan70]

Wow , tough crowd. Just trying to help as one would think watching every minute of over 560 NBA games he has played gives better perspective than after the fact research. I won't bore you with perspective since you obviously do not need it.

Sorry for the snark. Certainly appreciate your posting here but all that was somewhat common knowledge I thought. Sorry. Keep posting and I appreciate fresh insights.

That just sounded even more sarcastic

Challenges with interpretation of the written word I suppose. Is there a font color for sincerity?

[Tai]

I am from Indy and a Butler fan so when Hayward was drafted by the Jazz I became a Jazz Fan,

I literally have watch EVERY Jazz game Hayward played thanks to NBA LP.

Few things are consistent.

1. Hayward looks checked out though he is not
2. Not a huge emotional guy.
3. Even when Healthy ALWAYS starts the season slow and literally ramps up month over month.
4. Very unselfish, at times too unselfish IMO but I think that is why guys like playing with him.
5. Next thing you know his stats are awesome and you didn't even notice it.


Now the Celtics are WAAAAY more talented than the Jazz so it will be interesting to see if Hayward lets others take theirs over his.
I must confess I do not know how teams decide who should take more shots, I assume they plan it out to an extent...

Hayward got paid, he will not be as concerned this year on his stats as I am sure others were.


He said recently he still doesn't have the liftoff off his left foot. That tells me he is 80% give or take.

It took Paul George almost 1 whole bad season to get beck to form. I honestly do not know what to expect from Hayward this year.

I just hope by the 2nd half of the season he is close to his old form.


Stinks for the Celtics.

Year1 - out injury
Year2 - getting back to form hopefully be the end of the year
Year3 - after this hopefully fully healthy season he can opt out ...(Maybe I am hopeful, but I hope he opts out , resigns with the Celtics at a Discount to keep the stars together.... Time will tell

Uhh, the one thing I"ll say is that there should be plenty of open shots for everyone. You say you're a Celtics fan, how would you assess the Celtics' ability last year, without Hayward mind you, to get said open shots? Or even the 1st preseason game this year? I didn't watch the whole game, but I did feel that the Celtics got plenty of them. If that's the case, a few ISOs here and there shouldn't be too big a deal, especially if some are from Hayward.

[ConstableGeneva]

Needless to say, I'm a fan of Daniel. Rooting for a furious comeback after his setback.

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[Upperclass]

Once Celts realize their best backcourt is with Irving and Rozier.. I think Hayward is going to end up the 6th man at some point. He may rebound to start again by playoffs, but I don't see it. Hopefully it won't shatter his confidence and team chemistry.

[Homerclease]

Once Celts realize their best backcourt is with Irving and Rozier.. I think Hayward is going to end up the 6th man at some point. He may rebound to start again by playoffs, but I don't see it. Hopefully it won't shatter his confidence and team chemistry.

Yes they should give up on Hayward after two preseason games in which they are largely going through the motions. Ffs

[ajones9219]

Once Celts realize their best backcourt is with Irving and Rozier.. I think Hayward is going to end up the 6th man at some point. He may rebound to start again by playoffs, but I don't see it. Hopefully it won't shatter his confidence and team chemistry.

Hayward >>>> Rozier. Come on now

[Upperclass]

It's not about giving up.. it's about synergy and cohesion.. which Irving.. Rozier.. Brown.. Tatum and Horford already have. And also health.. one is NBA shape and the other is not..

[Tai]

Once Celts realize their best backcourt is with Irving and Rozier.. I think Hayward is going to end up the 6th man at some point. He may rebound to start again by playoffs, but I don't see it. Hopefully it won't shatter his confidence and team chemistry.

I dunno where this hidden fetish for Hayward to come off the bench came from, whether on this board or the GB, but Irving/Rozier our best backcourt? Over Irving/Brown? From what standpoint? Definitely not a defensive one.

And to be clear, clearly the offense improves and can be a good occasional lineup, but enough to justify having Hayward off the bench? Again, can't see it unless you were already deadset on having Hayward be the 6th man.

[Green89]

He won't be coming off the bench, but his skill as a playmaker really helps the 2nd unit. I know Brad is just trying to get him game minutes right now, but I like how Brad pulls most of the starters and Hayward ends up being out there the longest when the bench comes in. Having both him and Smart on the floor is just as deadly to opposing defenses as when Kyrie and and Hayward are starting.

[Bad-Thoma]

It's not about giving up.. it's about synergy and cohesion.. which Irving.. Rozier.. Brown.. Tatum and Horford already have. And also health.. one is NBA shape and the other is not..

That's exactly about giving up when Gordon is a much better player than Rozier. The minutes playing with the rest of the starting line-up will build that necessary cohesion and synergy, and he'll get in game shape quickly. This just seems silly. Gordon will take some time to get there but the regular season hasn't started yet, time we got.

[UNCBlue012]

1) Hayward is a starter. 100%.
2) He will get better. As per expected, this is what happens after a huge injury. He is rusty.
3) He may not be the SAME player, but he'll be really good, I have little doubt.
4) He's going to be a HUGE factor this year with the second unit. He and Smart are going to be insane together.

[Banks2Pierce]

It will be interesting to see how he's managed. It looks clear that he's going to start the season as a below average player. Becomes a question of how long it takes him to get back to OK, then Good, then All-Star(hopefully) and weighing that against the other guys.

[Taget]

The truth is somewhere in between. Judging him (or too much of anyone) on pre-season games is foolhardy. Defense is not as much a priority (and defense is what makes our team click), we're not running regular season rotations and are experimenting. Didn't we test Nader at point guard last pre-season?

On the other hand the burden of proving that he's really "back" is on Hayward. Getting back into the flow of things when you've been gone for so long is tough. Even on just a mental level. So until we see it we need to operate under the assumption it is not quite there yet.

Stevens is a pragmatist. He'll put Hayward wherever he best contributes to a win. If he comes along slowly we've got the manpower give to Hayward whatever time he need.

I'm banking on Hayward still being a star. But I'm also reserving judgement until at least the end of the year.

[24istheLAW]

Brad is gonna start Hayward. He's comfortable with the flow of the offense with Hayward in, and trusts Hayward to handle his defensive responsibilities.

IF the five leaf clover guys don't start away (which I highly doubt), it'd be Brown or Tatum in the 2nd unit. Both of them are in the process of feeling out their role still.